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Old 10-07-2019, 04:37 PM   #5576
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I think the desires of the industry and the commission are basically congruent on this thing. The last thing the commission wants to do is to get involved in regulating player cheating in poker games if they can avoid it. And the last thing the cardrooms want is for the commission to get involved in that.
put like that, makes good sense.

though lots of media attention on this one... ESPN, CNBC, local news, and to a lesser degree all the youtubers, this thread.

Can the commish really just stick their heads in the sand?
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:40 PM   #5577
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I can imagine Mike reading this forum and thinking things like ...

''hahahah this guy is trippin, yo ''

"Wow, this guy is onto something!"
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:42 PM   #5578
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This is getting rediculous. You can do with your personal YouTube and FaceBook pages whatever you want. And there certainly isn’t a requirement to keep them public.
yea i mean its not like he went into police files and deleted evidence. but it does make him suspicious and police do look for behaviors like this when investigating suspects for crimes.

more importantly, why are ppl here misspelling "rediculous", is it a meme or are ppl just illiterate?
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:42 PM   #5579
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Being lawyered up means the authorities are going to get his laptop (assuming they seek it and have a legal basis to get it), not that they aren't.

The first thing any lawyer tells a client in potential trouble is "don't destroy anything that might be evidence".

And even if I were to credit the assumption (way too casually flung around here) that all sorts of evidence was destroyed, it's actually hard to destroy evidence without a digital trace. There's all sorts of potential records out there of what might have been happening on that phone- not just the phone itself.
I agree with most everything, but the scenario that generates the fewest digital traces is the scenario we're in, where most everything is on-premises tech and not in the cloud.
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:42 PM   #5580
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mike is god first half of this stream > 0:17 , 0:17 , 0:44 , 0:50 , 0:56 , 1:31
mike is ungodly second half of this stream > 1:38 , 1:56 , 2:02 , 2:33

I believe he is trying to mouth something to the camera (reactions to football game on TV are different in every other spots) > 0:59 , 1:37

watch hand at 0:44 JD cards don't get picked up by RFID, someone tells dealer to tell him to reregister cards in real time, who?

watch hand at 1:19 JD cards don't get picked up by RFID, Lance than shows up to table to check dealers headset at 1:24

could deff jus be that n im seeing things but MP was in god mode till/during hand 1:31 out of god mode hand 1:38 n rest of stream … lance makes appearance on stream 1:24 to check dealer headset so know he working/tech. Idk 1:37 looks diff to me than other times MP reacts to game

Lance, Do you have the cards?
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:43 PM   #5581
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That sounds like incredibly painstaking research and thank you for your time. I wanted to add that I think he uses that little black suspect bracelet as well and that when he uses this it is actually his real keys on the table. Also of note I have observed four different keyfobs. One in the middle of jaman burtons blog avoid mike Postle where jaman takes a pic of his big stack is a clear picture of what I believe are his authentic Infiniti keys. I have noticed three other kinds of keyfobs dating back the past ten months when we are lucky enough to get closeups.
It really was not that hard with all the data that has been collected in the spreadsheet I linked, whoever put that together should get a ton of credit.. If someone wants to go through the videos and add a bracelet variable I'd be happy to look into tat.
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:43 PM   #5582
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The first thing any lawyer tells a client in potential trouble is "don't destroy anything that might be evidence".
lol

"Hey mike, I want you to understand that you should not DESTROY ALL THE EVIDENCE. Is that perfectly clear? Of all the things you must mustn't immediately do DESTROYING ALL THE EVIDENCE would be the most important. Now go home and do not DESTROY ALL THE EVIDENCE."

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Old 10-07-2019, 04:44 PM   #5583
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put like that, makes good sense.

though lots of media attention on this one... ESPN, CNBC, local news, and to a lesser degree all the youtubers, this thread.

Can the commish really just stick their heads in the sand?
I don't know. But it's at least a possibility. Not directly on point, but just a couple of weeks ago, the New York Times had a splashy story about how the California Horse Racing Board, in a months-long process, secretly buried a positive drug test by Justify, the 2018 Triple Crown Winner. The story got a lot of publicity. But nothing is ultimately being done about it.

One of the great powers that industries and their lobbies have is to simply slow-walk issues until the public forgets about them.
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:46 PM   #5584
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Lance, Do you have the cards?
big if true
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:48 PM   #5585
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It really was not that hard with all the data that has been collected in the spreadsheet I linked, whoever put that together should get a ton of credit.. If someone wants to go through the videos and add a bracelet variable I'd be happy to look into tat.
Another thing with the bracelet is that he usually hides this wrist under the table and rarely wears short sleeves so it is usually concealed. However these could all easily be red herrings and a remote access to a laptop through that google app mentioned several pages ago seems very plausible too. I wonder if the casino cameras are more accurate than the stream cameras and can provide closeups.
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:48 PM   #5586
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I have gone through almost minute by minute on the July 18th 2018 stream which is The Impostle's first ever use of god mode.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1252155464
I figured this stream would have him being his least skilled at how to hide his actions.
Some cliffs notes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAw9HiSpG9w&t=7680
1. He's texting someone rather frequently just before entering god mode and at other times in the session. Finding out who could point to a collaborator.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAw9HiSpG9w&t=12480
2. When JFK TD comes by the table, Postle seems more nervous and pulls his chair in and hides where is phone is. Might mean that JFK TD is not involved at least not at the start.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAw9HiSpG9w&t=13977
3. When a card reading malfunctions, Postle texts someone and then a couple minutes later, Taylor Smith (I believe) comes by and fiddles with a tablet behind the table and changes out the dealer's headset. Postle doesn't seem as nervous about this event and after a few minutes after Taylor leaves, Postle resumes god mode.
I saw those first two things when I skimmed through it yesterday, but I missed the bit where Taylor Smith (I think we can confirm it's him) comes in. Screengrab: (Smith is the man in the hat on right, just after he gave the dealer a new headset)

Now, as with the session where I showed Lance doing something eerily similar (during a break in Mike's Godmoding), the production crew does have a legitimate reason for changing dealers' headsets, and/or resetting the software at the table, particularly if the RFID has been intermittently failing. This video and screengrab does, at least, place Taylor in the building, and in a production role, for Mike's first cheating session.
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:51 PM   #5587
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Random thought about blood clots. If he is having problems with blood clots because of playing online poker, presumably because he's sitting down so much, isn't playing live poker going to be just as bad? Shouldn't he be quitting poker all together?
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:53 PM   #5588
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lol

"Hey mike, I want you to understand that you should not DESTROY ALL THE EVIDENCE. Is that perfectly clear? Of all the things you must mustn't immediately do is DESTROY ALL THE EVIDENCE would be the most important. Now go home and do not DESTROY ALL THE EVIDENCE."

https://www.orlandocriminaldefenseat...troy-evidence/
There's two distinctions there:

1. Because it is narcotics, there is a specific statute allowing mom to throw them out. That statute is necessary because simple possession is an offense. Indeed, basically all possession crimes have that defense. A felon who finds a firearm that she isn't allowed to possess is allowed to take possession long enough to destroy it or take it to the police. Etc.

But possession or a cell phone or a bluetooth headset or car keys with a transmitter in them is not illegal. It's not an offense at all. The issue isn't a prosecution for possession; it's that the phone or the headset or the keys or whatever are evidence. (I do realize that you can stretch and say that perhaps these are "cheating devices" that are prohibited by the poker cheating statute, but I don't see how you can really say that about the headset. It's just a headset usable for lots of things like listening to music or a TED talk at the table. At any rate, see 2.)

2. Crucial to the Orlando lawyer's hypothetical is that mom finds the drugs. Not the criminal. The criminal's mother. A third party who has not yet participated in any crime.

In contrast, when the defendant himself disposes of the drugs, that definitely can be prosecuted as obstruction of justice. Because he's already possessed them and committed the crime, so he's not entitled to the "possession long enough to dispose" defense.

And just to let you know that I know where people will go next, no, Postle can't just "give" the items to third parties (other than his lawyer, who has an ethical duty to preserve them) for destruction or secretion. That's obstruction of justice too. Nor can the son give the drugs to mom and tell her to get rid of them, and escape a possession charge if the government can prove he did indeed possess them.

(I should add, his answer on the child pornography hypothetical is clearly incorrect. Child pornography possession also has a defense for immediate reporting to the police. If the lawyer represents the wife, the answer is simple- he has to advise her to call the police and report what she has found. If the lawyer represents the couple, the answer is also simple- he has to advise her that he has a conflict of interest and that she needs to seek separate counsel.)
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:54 PM   #5589
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Random thought about blood clots. If he is having problems with blood clots because of playing online poker, presumably because he's sitting down so much, isn't playing live poker going to be just as bad? Shouldn't he be quitting poker all together?
From articles/interviews I've seen about gamers getting them, it is about the sitting.

Given that any little break of the clot into your bloodstream can get to your heart and/or brain and cause instant death, you'd think they'd advise against it, but I'm no doctor.
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:54 PM   #5590
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W/ regards to the commentators - I think it is very likely it will be found one or more commentators had knowledge or were involved in what was happening.


I don't think we can find anything by talking about how bad or good they are at poker but I have a feeling something will come to light.


So much this.

Hate to sound tinfoily but with how poorly/absurdly/moronically everyone (at this point I think it’s close to 100% there’s no chance it’s a lone wolf) involved here was wrt handling making sure the cheating wasn’t super obvious there’s a way nonzero chance he picked a few commentators to give $100-$200 per session (nice little bonus just to be there) to to “cover it up in the booth”.

Anyone that thinks this isn’t in play is pretty delusional.
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:57 PM   #5591
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I do not know enough, but listening to the Matusow interview closely I have a "hunch" that he is innocent
Even if not, don't jump the gun. DO not crucify a man until proven guilty. Can you imagine what kind of damage you do to him and his family? He has a little daughter for crying out loud. And all you have is Durrr like hands? And not precise numbers on winrates?
MIKE Matusow says it's not a crazy winrate and I have to agree. With the straddles and all the action at 1 3 it's not crazy.

Can you imagine if proven he is innocent what he can do to you? He can sue you for all you got Joey and you made a fool out yourself. Plus when you pointed out the spot on his head which u called " evidence" in your last video for conductive headphones, I was like come on Joey! This grey hair! And when u hit 40 you'll have it too.
Really I liked ALL your videos you 're a very likable guy but this... come on! The hat thing... pff

But what I don't like of you and Doug who I liked also is when you don't show respect for Mike Matusow, and Mike Postle( until proven otherwise) you CANNOT call him an A hole Joey on stream. I thought that was very relentless and made me come out and say something.

These could be your older brother's or even father's agewise and you don't show any respect for that.
How would you feel in 10 years if some younger PUNK talked to you or about you without respect publicly. You know what Matusow did for the poker community, he has very little scandals of what I know. And he inspired you I bet to where you are when u started. And now you talk down on him...

Anyways if he can prove that he was the biggest crusher on ub then what? You stop making jokes he is a cheat right?

Mike Postle if you want to prove that u can contact joeingram or Doug directly and ask them to not disclose the info publicly.. That's how you can clear your name. Or ask Matusow as mediator.

You can also send me pm. More than willing to help in this mess...

Peace out everyone!

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Old 10-07-2019, 05:01 PM   #5592
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So much this.

Hate to sound tinfoily but with how poorly/absurdly/moronically everyone (at this point I think it’s close to 100% there’s no chance it’s a lone wolf) involved here was wrt handling making sure the cheating wasn’t super obvious there’s a way nonzero chance he picked a few commentators to give $100-$200 per session (nice little bonus just to be there) to to “cover it up in the booth”.

Anyone that thinks this isn’t in play is pretty delusional.
yeah no ones gonna see a dude steal basically 5-15k a session and accept 100-200 to keep it quiet.
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:01 PM   #5593
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From articles/interviews I've seen about gamers getting them, it is about the sitting.

Given that any little break of the clot into your bloodstream can get to your heart and/or brain and cause instant death, you'd think they'd advise against it, but I'm no doctor.
he likely takes blood thinners (even just baby aspirin). or he's full of **** and it's a moot point. really doesn't matter.
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:04 PM   #5594
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So much this.

Hate to sound tinfoily but with how poorly/absurdly/moronically everyone (at this point I think it’s close to 100% there’s no chance it’s a lone wolf) involved here was wrt handling making sure the cheating wasn’t super obvious there’s a way nonzero chance he picked a few commentators to give $100-$200 per session (nice little bonus just to be there) to to “cover it up in the booth”.

Anyone that thinks this isn’t in play is pretty delusional.
No one is saying that it isnt a possibility. What's being said is that with the information at hand, it is irresponsible and dangerous to make such accusations. I believe Joey and Doug have more information on this than we do, so until that information is released or new evidence emerges, I am on the side that they were not in on it.
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:05 PM   #5595
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This is relevant.

The timing of this post is incredibly suspicious, it's a shame that it has been deleted. Did someone screenshot this?
Justin Kuraitis' old username on 2p2 was Imnotthedevil fyi:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/321251/

the posts are from many years ago and not relevant to the cheating, just posting it because I didn't see anyone else mention it.

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I'm doing some analysis of the data in R.
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However, the phone being on his lap or not has remarkable significance.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1252155464
Great post.
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he likely takes blood thinners (even just baby aspirin). or he's full of **** and it's a moot point. really doesn't matter.
It is a moot point, but Redgrape was curious.

A friend of mine had one probably 1/10th the size that Mike describes, and is still dealing with it, and restrictions, 6-7 years later. She's still on blood thinners.

I will say, if you can find he's lying about any of his major points in the Matusow interview, including the blood clot, it definitely works against him. Basically, if he's willing to lie about stupid things, logic dictates he's absolutely going to lie about bigger picture things.

My suspicion is that his online crushing is probably mostly true, and probably the blood clot too. It's way too easy to verify.

That said, the dumbass has admitted to structuring (having other's cash out his chips) and downplaying online results to avoid the IRS. And he's on record with specific numbers. Not too bright.
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So much this.

Hate to sound tinfoily but with how poorly/absurdly/moronically everyone (at this point I think it’s close to 100% there’s no chance it’s a lone wolf) involved here was wrt handling making sure the cheating wasn’t super obvious there’s a way nonzero chance he picked a few commentators to give $100-$200 per session (nice little bonus just to be there) to to “cover it up in the booth”.

Anyone that thinks this isn’t in play is pretty delusional.
Just one more point on commentators.

Bear in mind there is an entire spectrum between "in on the fraud" and "no inkling whatsoever".

This is an especially sensitive issue due to defamation suits. You can't just call someone a cheater based on rumors or hunches. You have to be right.

It's entirely possible that people wondered. Harbored suspicions. Heard some scuttlebutt and rumors. And maybe didn't cover themselves in glory on the air in the way they talked about Postle.

But that's all very different from being a co-conspirator. Very, very different.
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:07 PM   #5598
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he likely takes blood thinners (even just baby aspirin). or he's full of **** and it's a moot point. really doesn't matter.
The whole I have a daughter and health issues angle is such an obvious thing that scammers do when they’re caught to deflect it’s so obvious and doesn’t have anything to do with anything it’s laughable
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:08 PM   #5599
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guys... that's not incriminating, dude is catching so much heat that innocent or guilty, he's going to be nuking his entire public profile because that is now forever AIDS and he's probably getting non stop trolling and threats online

I think he's guilty, but this is getting absurd - and we're just in a circle jerk of logical fallacies that conveniently fit narratives - doing this only hurts the case, please stop
I posted it for posterity. Notice I literally never said anything about how it relates to his guilt in the case because it doesn't. I'm sure he was getting ****-talked on both platforms and wanted to avoid any heat he could.
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:09 PM   #5600
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https://youtu.be/WaWPHGvuqDg?t=11926

This has been posted before but not explained. Postle has something in his hand that looks like a device that he points towards the table and presses (possibly turning on or syncing) which he tries to hide then quickly tucks away into his top pocket.
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