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Old 10-07-2019, 01:45 PM   #5451
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Mike getting crowned after winning a huge pot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKa83uP7m_Q

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Old 10-07-2019, 01:46 PM   #5452
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Keep in mind that the majority of the streaming production team play dual roles. They help set up on stream days, but are dealers/poker room managers the rest of the time.

Their stream was never really that popular, but it also isn't that expensive to run.

I believe there's only ever been one full time person dedicated to just the tech. Maybe 2
I suspect that it will turn out that the small potatoes nature of these particular streamed games was a crucial element of the whole scheme.

I.e., I bet the WSOP/ESPN thing has multiple layers of security and a whole bunch of failsafes to ensure that this kind of thing can't happen, which Caesar's and ESPN can afford because they make boatloads of money. But this was treated by Stones much more like a friendly little home game that they hosted in the casino, which they streamed live and hoped would go viral. (It actually did to some extent- they drew some A list poker talent into a $1 game in Sacramento!) So they really never treated it as the serious security challenge that it actually was.
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Old 10-07-2019, 01:49 PM   #5453
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I recall seeing before that Postle played in game with Kevin Racks who passed away. If so, any results on that game?
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Old 10-07-2019, 01:50 PM   #5454
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March 3rd, 2017 - JFK Interviewing Mike Postle about a hand

https://youtu.be/U5cgXtVRLR4?t=3823

I found this interview interesting because it gives insight into Mike Postle's thought process during a hand. There could be discrepancies between what he says here and how he represents himself and hs game in the Matusow interview.
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Old 10-07-2019, 01:55 PM   #5455
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I'm convinced this guy is a damn cheater. He wins at Poker only looking at his cards and phone. He doesn't have a read for sh*t, does he even look at his opponents?
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Old 10-07-2019, 01:56 PM   #5456
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So you believe that the casino has obstructed justice? Because if anyone did that, they are on the hook for years of prison time if prosecutors decide this is an important case.

Seriously, this is not the movies. In real life, you don't just go out and destroy evidence. For one thing, digital evidence isn't that easy to destroy. For another, obstruction of justice / spoliation of evidence is actually even easier to prosecute than cheating at poker.

If the casino has competent counsel, everything has been preserved. Everything. You destroy one video recording, you make things infinitely worse. (I also believe there's a gaming regulation that requires casinos to maintain surveillance footage for a specific length of time. So they could lose their license and have to close if they destroyed anything.)
"There's no obstruction of justice because there is no case."

But more seriously their lawyer is there "conducting" the secondary investigation to remove them from liability.

Video surveillance isn't the evidence they'd be deleting and is essentially probably useless in this case.

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Also, it isn't as though the only evidence is footage. There's also all the people who worked at Stones. Many of whom were not in on this. You really think none of them are going to testify that they saw something fishy?
Saw something fishy? What exactly did they see? They saw a good player beating other not as good players...?

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And there's other potential evidence as well. You think Postle didn't order the alleged device in his hat from someone? You think there isn't a credit card receipt out there somewhere?
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"I ordered some bone conducting headphones off amazon.com because my daughter asked for them for her birthday. She ended up not liking them so I think she threw them out. I'm not really a tech guy...what do they do?"

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It's VERY HARD to obstruct justice, and it only gets you in more trouble if you do. The smart play for the casino- and the casino's lawyers know this- is to cooperate with any investigation and to use their political clout to try to keep the sanctions as light as possible.
You're assuming there will be sanctions when in past cheating cases basically nothing happened.

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Nope. Give me 4 hours and I could explain this to ANY group of 12 random people.
LOL YOU WANT 4 FREAKING HOURS?!?! You expect a juror to listen and be attentive for longer than a few fleeting moments? You're out of your mind dude.

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And none of that explains going in and out of God mode, the crotch cell phone, the hats, the not playing when his buddy is out of town, etc.
As Mike:
"I was playing my best poker. I am much better than my competition. Some sore losers decided I was beating them too badly. Some say I look down at my crotch when playing. And for a period, I did. I was watching episodes of <insert girly show> here. I'm not proud of it which is why I wanted to hide it. It's a shame they banned cell phones...I really wanted to see that last season. "

"Yes, I have hats. I wear a lot of different hats."

"I have good days and bad days at poker. On some days I play amazing because I know my opponents really well. I've spent years learning tells and tendencies of the regulars in the games I play in. Sometimes tougher more unknown competition is in the game and I'm forced to play tighter until I know their tendencies and tells."
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Old 10-07-2019, 01:59 PM   #5457
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No prosecutor is going to touch this as a trial case without a "smoking gun" direct type evidence because they know a circumstantial evidence case will result in an acquittal an increased percent of the time thus jeopardizing their conviction rate.

ANYONE talking about how all the hand analysis, potripper graph or anything else will be used in court of law please read the above.

Then read it again.

Then one more time.

He will be indicted, but based on things having nothing to do with how much he won or how he played 84.
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Old 10-07-2019, 02:01 PM   #5458
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https://youtu.be/1vlmz8T86DQ?t=3688

1:01:28

Justin makes a VERY interesting bet here with the other commentator. (This is one of mikes early streams shortly after he first started to cheat btw.) Is this a coincidence that JUSTIN knows this early in mikes cheating expedition that he would have made a REDICULOUS call on the river with pocket 5s vs an all in ON THE RIVER vs A high. This simply can't be a coincidence.

EDIT: Mike is blatantly cheating in broad daylight in this stream early in his cheating days in front of the man who owns the ****ing casino on commentary. I mean common there is no ****ing way Justin isnt in on this
1:11:10 Justin cant wait any longer to get a response from his puppet so he calls mike LIVE and asks him about the hand. The response going from here is priceless. SOMEONE LOOK INTO THIS.

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Old 10-07-2019, 02:02 PM   #5459
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Jeff Boskie's dry humor is perfect when analyzing Postle's hands, especially the ones he personally played with him. Laughed my ass off a few times during the video. Suggest watching it if you haven't already.

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Old 10-07-2019, 02:02 PM   #5460
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I find the commentator discussion interesting.

There would have been a lot of conversation about Postle around the poker room during this time period.

How could there not be? The guy was winning at a rate that made no statistical sense over a very long period of time in a game that apparently was the only one he played in during that same time period, apparently racking up and leaving after most broadcasts.

Many of the commentators worked multiple streams while observing crazy, seemingly inexplicable decision making, they had to be talking among themselves and with others about the Mike Postle phenomenon they were witnessing.

I find it hard to believe that while either talking with each other, or with more knowledgeable poker professionals that they didn't realize that something very weird (i.e. impossible) was going on here.

To see many of them go the route of turning this guy into a poker legend, including flashing stupid memes and silly nicknames, naming losing players victims etc.. is disturbing. There was plenty of time to perhaps back away from some of this stuff and exit with some dignity intact.

One clip that a gentlemen furnished where someone in the stream chat asked if Mike ever lost was somewhat revealing, it was very obvious that one of the commentators was extremely uncomfortable with the question.

Now whether they were actively involved or not is a different question, but if they had reason to believe that many of the people, who i'm sure they saw perhaps quite frequently around the card room, were being cheated by a player in the games they were commenting on, well that is something that that they are going to have to live down and live with.
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Old 10-07-2019, 02:05 PM   #5461
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No clue why people are talking about jury etc.
How many cases actually go to court in the US without some sort of settlement and who would actually shell the hassle and legal fees
Certainly not Joey or Doug
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Old 10-07-2019, 02:06 PM   #5462
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I somehow doubt there are many guns for hire in the realm of expert testimony for poker as there would be in the field of forensics
No, there aren't. People think "winning poker players" could be expert witnesses, they won't be, at least not any more than "winning roulette players" would be qualified to testify in a case about cheating at roulette.

The experts are going to be people with PhD's in statistics and game theory. Their testimony is going to look like this:

P Atty: What are the chances that Postle's cumulative results are due to skill or chance?

Expert: About a gazillion to one. About the same as winning a lottery.

D Atty: Mr. Expert, how often to people win lotteries?

P Atty: Objection! The expert isn't qualified to testify on lotteries!

Judge: Overruled.

Expert: Hmm, I'd guess 100's of times a day.
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Old 10-07-2019, 02:08 PM   #5463
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Taylor Smith appears to be an early fan of Apostle.

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Old 10-07-2019, 02:08 PM   #5464
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youre an idiot, why are you harassing one of mikes victims?

plus tbones play was good and that was a godly rebluff on the river. it just sucks that his opponent could see his ****ing cards
If someone was changing the display of mikes actual cards on the screen, how has it not occurred to any of you internet dicks that other players cards could have been displayed incorrectly as well.

A hand that you just skip over as normal could seem very different if you found out they had 89s rather than 99.
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Old 10-07-2019, 02:12 PM   #5465
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No clue why people are talking about jury etc.
How many cases actually go to court in the US without some sort of settlement and who would actually shell the hassle and legal fees
Certainly not Joey or Doug
When I said jury, I mean't asking other professional players if they thought he was guilty by what we have on the videos, not in a courtroom.
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Old 10-07-2019, 02:13 PM   #5466
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The experts are going to be people with PhD's in statistics and game theory. Their testimony is going to look like this
I am familiar with the process because I was lined up as an expert witness in a rather high-profile federal criminal case - even though I met the very high requirements I didn't make the grade for whatever reason[0] - what I was going to attest was bought in via another expert

The statistics in this case are better than they are for DNA evidence ...

Have to re-iterate again that people in the general public really, really underestimate and misunderstand just how the entire process works

[0] I believe because he had more experience and could withstand cross and had better credentials - but I was also told by a paralegal that there is a lot that goes into strategy and not to take it personally (I didn't)
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Old 10-07-2019, 02:13 PM   #5467
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"There's no obstruction of justice because there is no case."
Obstruction of justice is prosecuted all the time in circumstances where authorities can't prove the underlying crime beyond a reasonable doubt. Again, it's EASIER to prove, not harder.

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But more seriously their lawyer is there "conducting" the secondary investigation to remove them from liability.
I have zero doubt that their lawyer is trying to present whatever Stones did or didn't do in the best possible light. But he's also a member of the bar and can lose his license and go to jail if he participates in any destruction of evidence. He is advising Stones the same way any good lawyer would in that situation- to preserve EVERYTHING.

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Video surveillance isn't the evidence they'd be deleting and is essentially probably useless in this case.
How the bleep do you know that? Do you even know where the surveillance cameras are positioned at Stones, vis-a-vis the table? We don't know any such thing. For all we know, there's casino footage that shows EXACTLY what was on Postle's phone. Or casino footage that shows him talking with co-conspirators.

I am astounded at how certain people can be about evidence that they have never seen and have no knowledge of.

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Saw something fishy? What exactly did they see? They saw a good player beating other not as good players...?
OK, now you are acting like all the people who came in here with single digit post counts.

But- and this will be the last time I explain this to you- it's entirely possible that, for instance, a Stones employee or just an ordinary gambler in the casino witnessed an irregularity in or around the "peek room", or Postle having a suspicious conversation with a co-conspirator or acting suspiciously, or saw something on Postle's phone, or saw him putting something in his hat, or whatever. There's just a million possibilities here.

Again, you seem mighty sure that no such evidence exists, but there' s no way you can be.

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1. Why do you assume Postle would ever testify in court? Most criminal defendants, for good reason, don't testify. Nor do their family members get up and perjure themselves on their behalf. Most likely, if evidence of a purchase is found, the defense will say nothing about it, because they can't afford to take the risk of putting someone on the stand and getting destroyed.

2. Even if Postle did testify, why on earth do you think the jury would believe him? This is the same move that non-lawyers always make. "The defense will say this!" OK, sure. So what? You think nobody ever wins a case when the defense makes an argument.

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You're assuming there will be sanctions when in past cheating cases basically nothing happened.
Nope, and you are not posting in good faith. I specifically said the preference of the industry and regulators will be to sweep this under the rug.

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LOL YOU WANT 4 FREAKING HOURS?!?! You expect a juror to listen and be attentive for longer than a few fleeting moments? You're out of your mind dude.
4 hours is pretty standard for a jury summation in a criminal case. Juries pay attention and convict all the time.

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"I was playing my best poker. I am much better than my competition. Some sore losers decided I was beating them too badly. Some say I look down at my crotch when playing. And for a period, I did. I was watching episodes of <insert girly show> here. I'm not proud of it which is why I wanted to hide it. It's a shame they banned cell phones...I really wanted to see that last season. "

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"I have good days and bad days at poker. On some days I play amazing because I know my opponents really well. I've spent years learning tells and tendencies of the regulars in the games I play in. Sometimes tougher more unknown competition is in the game and I'm forced to play tighter until I know their tendencies and tells."
Again, Mike ain't testifying. Criminal defendants almost never do.
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Old 10-07-2019, 02:15 PM   #5468
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I recall seeing before that Postle played in game with Kevin Racks who passed away. If so, any results on that game?
I see that Kevin Racks played with Mike Postle on 2019.07.20 Veronica & Friends with BotLady & Brent: https://youtu.be/uQujzYc-lrk

That was 6 days before Kevin Racks passed away. Not sure if anyone has reviewed that session but it seems to be around the time that Postle was taking a break from cheating.

Kevin Racks also played at least one other session with Mike Postle below:

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Mike in a hand vs Kevin Racks, who played on the stream as part of his effort to spread awareness of sarcoma, which he suffered from. He died two days after this, by assisted suicide.



If Justin Kuraikis was not in Vegas at this moment, would Postle have been laughing at Kevin Racks while they took his money?
edit: I located this stream on Twitch. It is July 24, 2019 (2 days before Kevin Racks passed away). https://www.twitch.tv/videos/4575693...ives&sort=time

Edit: Youtube Link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiYBxMOHIZ8&t=1669s

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Old 10-07-2019, 02:16 PM   #5469
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No, there aren't. People think "winning poker players" could be expert witnesses, they won't be, at least not any more than "winning roulette players" would be qualified to testify in a case about cheating at roulette.

The experts are going to be people with PhD's in statistics and game theory. Their testimony is going to look like this:

P Atty: What are the chances that Postle's cumulative results are due to skill or chance?

Expert: About a gazillion to one. About the same as winning a lottery.

D Atty: Mr. Expert, how often to people win lotteries?

P Atty: Objection! The expert isn't qualified to testify on lotteries!

Judge: Overruled.

Expert: Hmm, I'd guess 100's of times a day.
I'm not even sure I would present statistical expert testimony if I were prosecuting this, but assuming it was presented, there's no reason to assume this defense would work with juries. It doesn't work in DNA cases.
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Old 10-07-2019, 02:16 PM   #5470
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In my screenplay, Mike is an innocent witness to a murder in Tunica in 2007. He lams it, finds sanctuary in the Sacramento Valley.

Believing he can grind cash games, make a living and stay anonymous, over time his guard drops.

Eventually the combination of his ego and what he believes is his escape from the Dixie Mafia leads him to accept a seat in a live streamed game at an obscure California card room.

Mike runs well and his anxiety over being spotted on stream abates. None of those rednecks would ever see this stream.

Until the day Gonzo from Biloxi shows up at his door.

Mike is offered a deal. Cheat the stream games, using tech provided by the Dixie Mafia in conjunction with a Stones employee whose sports gambling debts have been bought by the shady organization, in exchange for his life.

StonesGate blows up.

Mike and his daughter enter witness protection. Mike testifies against the Dixie Mafia for the murder in Tunica.

Epilogue: we see Mike in a bar in Montana, enjoying a beer.

Voice from offscreen: Hey buddy, there's a seat open in the poker game in back, if ya wanna sit....


My screenplay:

Rocky Balboa like in Rocky I

IF all is true what he said in in the interview and to me he seemed legit. He is exploiting weaker players for 16 years. That tank guy says he is a crusher and someone called MONEYMAKER says he is a ****ing good player whom he knows for years.
IF you know the Moneymaker story and I am sure you do then you know Moneymaker was living and breathing poker from the get go.

AND that is RELEVANT info. If he was a losing player, ok I can understand that.

Why would anyone risk his job his reputation for let's say 200k? DIVITED BY AT LEAST 2!! BECAUSE U SAY HE DIDN'T DO IT ALONE RIGHT? And I don't get how anyone would be so stupid to do it with cameras watching all the time. 4 angles 4 cameras all the time. Weeeeeheeee that must be the craziest crime I've ever heard of... I just don't understand how anyone can pull or would pull this off. For a 100k!! As a professional player that's nothing! Right?! And under the exposure of live cameras!?

Again I don't know enough but have my doubts. It has nothing to do with greed. It's just the risk reward is stupid to say the least.

Ok Joey did and is doing an awesome job and everyone likes him, me including. HE did a great job with the acr scam among million other things. Kudos to him. SAME AS Doug. But I think the thing now might be overambitious and biased. And I could make a huge fool of myself because I don't know enough about the card reading technology like Berkey and all.

But I see a LIVE player who might be as he says one of the best players that crushes everything that goes live on the mouthpiece (Why?) To tell his story. A.cheater would run I would think.

Back to my screenplay... I like the dog stories like Rocky...

So here is the crusher maybe a Stu Unger type or Tom Dean without as he says the drive for multimillions who is humble and ground to earth.

Then come the cheating allegations from a girl who I watched on video who hated Mike from day one because she saw a threat. Owing her at the tables getting all the attention she deserves. And finally she realizes her game "veronica game" is a huge failure. It gets dropped for a new show. The Postle show. Wouldn't u be envious..?

Anyways, screenplay (thesis) he is a crusher and soulreader of the calibre next to nothing.
Some new are pio using players come out and say it's impossible. HE can't play like this underestimating live reads skills of a genius... the whole world jumps on the wagon of the wiitchhunt and destroys the guys everything. ... puh great story huh?

Alternate ending the guy proves he is innocent and a million people feel like **** for judging him.too.soon

Jeez I really hope he is innocent...

It would be such a great story..
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Old 10-07-2019, 02:18 PM   #5471
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My Jury Picks

Tom Dwan
Phil Ivey
Maria Ho
Qui Nguyen
Fedor Holz
Justin Bonomo
Antonio Esfandiari
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Old 10-07-2019, 02:18 PM   #5472
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The experts are going to be people with PhD's in statistics and game theory. .
lolz and NO.


you watch too much Law and Order
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Old 10-07-2019, 02:18 PM   #5473
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I see that Kevin Racks played with Mike Postle on 2019.07.20 Veronica & Friends with BotLady & Brent: https://youtu.be/uQujzYc-lrk

That was 6 days before Kevin Racks passed away. Not sure if anyone has reviewed that session but it seems to be around the time that Postle was taking a break from cheating.

Kevin Racks also played at least one other session with Mike Postle. I'm unable to locate which session that is but it's in the photo below:



Which session is this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiYBxMOHIZ8&t=1669s
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Old 10-07-2019, 02:22 PM   #5474
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You guys are way overanalyzing your hypothetical court room scenarios. What would really happen is he gets arrested on like 50+ felonies and makes a plea deal, and he would get absolutely rekt in a civil case.
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Old 10-07-2019, 02:22 PM   #5475
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March 3rd, 2017 - JFK Interviewing Mike Postle about a hand

https://youtu.be/U5cgXtVRLR4?t=3823

I found this interview interesting because it gives insight into Mike Postle's thought process during a hand. There could be discrepancies between what he says here and how he represents himself and hs game in the Matusow interview.
first time listening to him talk strat. Hoooly **** this guy is a dumbass. No wonder he was willing to sacrifice his life to make 300k
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