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Old 10-07-2019, 05:12 PM   #5601
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I don't know. But it's at least a possibility. Not directly on point, but just a couple of weeks ago, the New York Times had a splashy story about how the California Horse Racing Board, in a months-long process, secretly buried a positive drug test by Justify, the 2018 Triple Crown Winner. The story got a lot of publicity. But nothing is ultimately being done about it.



One of the great powers that industries and their lobbies have is to simply slow-walk issues until the public forgets about them.
I think the big difference there is no owner/jockey will boycott the triple crown races. The Board there has more power, assuming they are corrupt. The poker community, specifically the players en mass, have more say. If the WSOP sweeps something aside, players are still going to Vegas next summer. A small place like Stones and the pre-existing circumstances of their less than illustrious history with the Commission makes if far more likely it moves forward.

There was a cheater at the wsop years back and nothing came about and they had no downside. Stones and Ca Gaming are much smaller pieces to the piker world than the wsop is.

If a small track allowed a horse to juice with no penalty, they'd struggle to draw real races, sanctioned events, or prestigious owners, trainers, jockeys, etc... Fresno Race Track would likely struggle with allegations far more than Churchill Downs.
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:18 PM   #5602
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Did mike win a 140k jackpot ?, has this been talked about ?
Was this a badbeat jackpot? they could have easy rigged the cards to have him win it etc



He tweets about it linking to JFK but the tweet has been deleted
Surely he didn’t hit it, but I found no result of this then 280k bad beat jackpot or talk of anyone hitting it on JK’s Twitter (follows) or Stones.
Someone tweeted JK on 4/27/19 asking if it’d been hit yet and he replied on 4/28/19, no it hasn’t.

This 4/30/19 was in fact deleted so who knows, but someone knows lol
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:20 PM   #5603
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Random thought about blood clots. If he is having problems with blood clots because of playing online poker, presumably because he's sitting down so much, isn't playing live poker going to be just as bad? Shouldn't he be quitting poker all together?
I think he was trying to attribute this health issue to "This is why I haven't crushed online everywhere the last 10+ years." & "This is why I don't play long sessions and leave after the stream goes down."
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:20 PM   #5604
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https://youtu.be/WaWPHGvuqDg?t=11926

This has been posted before but not explained. Postle has something in his hand that looks like a device that he points towards the table and presses (possibly turning on or syncing) which he tries to hide then quickly tucks away into his top pocket.
I find this incredibly interesting. I don't want to speculate as to what's happening here, but all of his body motions are suspicious to me.
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:20 PM   #5605
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My suspicion is that his online crushing is probably mostly true, and probably the blood clot too. It's way too easy to verify.

That said, the dumbass has admitted to structuring (having other's cash out his chips) and downplaying online results to avoid the IRS. And he's on record with specific numbers. Not too bright.
Why do people buy the line that he crushed at any point? It's a farcical story from him being the most profitable player. He never even specifies his biggest win or highest stakes played at..

And from his online tournament results it really doesn't add up.

He deliberately didn't even confirm any of his screenames.
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:21 PM   #5606
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Random thought about blood clots. If he is having problems with blood clots because of playing online poker, presumably because he's sitting down so much, isn't playing live poker going to be just as bad? Shouldn't he be quitting poker all together?
we already know he is full of ****

at this point we're just looking for the smoking gun
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:26 PM   #5607
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we already know he is full of ****

at this point we're just looking for the smoking gun
Yea some very convenient obstacles in his way.

Can't play the biggest games because he's a family man or w/e and is bad with finances

Banned from Caesar's due to altercation with security guard.

Blood clot excuse.
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:28 PM   #5608
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we already know he is full of ****

at this point we're just looking for the smoking gun
86o graphics change is the closest thing we have to a smoking gun imo.
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:32 PM   #5609
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What do people here think of the mike matusow interview? I listened only
To part 1 and mike seemed to give this guy way too much credit. I felt he should look at it more like this guy is more likely than not guilty and should
Be treated as such. Matusow should have been professional (lol not sure he can be) and should have watched a few sketchy hands.

Think an interview with Chicago Joey regarding this would have been much better. Matusow seems like a clown (trump supporter/ believer of fake news).
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:32 PM   #5610
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58:08(https://youtu.be/1vlmz8T86DQ?t=3490)

Hand begins between Mike, Dave o and Harlan (4 bet pot mike has 55). Harlan makes a flush on the river on 9 9 2 T 8 and calls an all in from Dave o (he had ace high), Mike folds his 55.

1:01:28(https://youtu.be/1vlmz8T86DQ?t=3688)

Justin makes a VERY interesting bet here with the other commentator (This is one of mikes early streams shortly after he first started to cheat btw). Is this a coincidence that Justin knows this early in mikes cheating expedition that he would have made a REDICULOUS hero call on the river with pocket 5s vs an all in on 9 9 2 T 8 ?. This simply can't be a coincidence.

Justin bets with the other commentator that assuming Harlan didnt have a flush Mike would of 100% hero called Dave o's shove on the river. This is an unbelievable assumption by Justin if you watch the hand and honestly its a VERY big sign he knows about Mike. Mike is blatantly cheating in broad daylight in this stream early in his cheating days in front of the man who owns the casino while he is on commentary... I mean common there is no way Justin isnt in on this.

1:10:55 (https://youtu.be/1vlmz8T86DQ?t=4255)
Justin cant wait any longer to get a response from Mike so he calls mike LIVE and asks him about the hand (isnt that against the rules?). The response going from here is priceless. This needs to be seen by Doug or Joey or anyone that can get this out there.
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:34 PM   #5611
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I think he was trying to attribute this health issue to "This is why I haven't crushed online everywhere the last 10+ years." & "This is why I don't play long sessions and leave after the stream goes down."
Yeah good point, I relistened and have the same impression.
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:38 PM   #5612
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I find this incredibly interesting. I don't want to speculate as to what's happening here, but all of his body motions are suspicious to me.
Same. You can see him clearly pointing the device at the table, and then slipping whatever that is into the shirt pocket. Crazy.
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:40 PM   #5613
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

I've seen nothing in these videos that is proof. And I've watched a lot. Yeah he is looking at his cell phone and yes he is looking at his crotch we can see that..

I know people that look at their cell phone all the time. What if he is following a game, maybe he has a bet on it?! What if he's in a conversation? Some people have cell phone addiction or whatever..

Pls show me one clip of evidence or at what minute of the 5h video from Joey. All I saw so far was that he is also making bad calls on the river when looking at his crotchmonitor.
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:44 PM   #5614
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Why do people buy the line that he crushed at any point? It's a farcical story from him being the most profitable player. He never even specifies his biggest win or highest stakes played at..

And from his online tournament results it really doesn't add up.

He deliberately didn't even confirm any of his screenames.
There is absolutely nobody who has crushed live and online since the mid 00s who is not rich without some sort of addiction to blow millions on.
We've seen his play without god mode. It's not good. He's grinding $100 dailies despite winning 250k last year. That money is going somewhere other than his bank account.
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:45 PM   #5615
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I've seen nothing in these videos that is proof. And I've watched a lot. Yeah he is looking at his cell phone and yes he is looking at his crotch we can see that..

I know people that look at their cell phone all the time. What if he is following a game, maybe he has a bet on it?! What if he's in a conversation? Some people have cell phone addiction or whatever..

Pls show me one clip of evidence or at what minute of the 5h video from Joey. All I saw so far was that he is also making bad calls on the river when looking at his crotchmonitor.
what about folding KK pre flop when he's against AA and cold calling any 2 cards vs 4bets when he is deep and against a hand like AQ or AK, also stacking off with 54o against 2 people who both had AKo
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:45 PM   #5616
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86o graphics change is the closest thing we have to a smoking gun imo.
no, the smoking gun is that his winrate/hourly is literally impossible in a game that size.



^extrapolating 30 hands/hr with an effective $10 big blind, that's

$830*3.33333 = $2767 won per 100 hands

for a winrate of 276.7bb/100

and by any metric you want to look at, with a pretty standard $100/hr EV for a good reg in the games, this is literally impossible-




MBN to never have a >5 buyin downswing. in the real world, we just call that a cheater.

but i'm sure postle just manages to do it somehow with the ol' 95o in his 4b defense range
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:46 PM   #5617
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Is this a coincidence that Justin knows this early in mikes cheating expedition that he would have made a REDICULOUS hero call on the river with pocket 5s vs an all in on 9 9 2 T 8 ?. This simply can't be a coincidence.
JFC. You’re looking through 200+ hours of video for anything suspicious, and regardless if people knew he was cheating he was known for his ‘weird’ plays. Of course this can simply be coincidence. You have a very bad idea of the importance of hindsight and the relevance of unlikely events when it happens once in so many hours and you are way too convinced about anything that might be suspicious.
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:46 PM   #5618
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I've seen nothing in these videos that is proof. And I've watched a lot. Yeah he is looking at his cell phone and yes he is looking at his crotch we can see that..

I know people that look at their cell phone all the time. What if he is following a game, maybe he has a bet on it?! What if he's in a conversation? Some people have cell phone addiction or whatever..

Pls show me one clip of evidence or at what minute of the 5h video from Joey. All I saw so far was that he is also making bad calls on the river when looking at his crotchmonitor.
No one here is buying the bs you’re selling
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:47 PM   #5619
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Been working today so haven’t caught up on thread since this morning...

But watching Joey’s new video, and just want to go ahead and congratulate the great blankoblanco, for without your colossal levels of lack of understanding of sarcasm, Joey would not have to spell out his sarcasm to the rest of the sub-middle-schoolers. I for one, greatly enjoyed Joey referencing the God of Poker, without being forced to explain the sarcasm to a select few (and by few I mean one).
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:47 PM   #5620
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I've seen nothing in these videos that is proof. And I've watched a lot. Yeah he is looking at his cell phone and yes he is looking at his crotch we can see that..

I know people that look at their cell phone all the time. What if he is following a game, maybe he has a bet on it?! What if he's in a conversation? Some people have cell phone addiction or whatever..

Pls show me one clip of evidence or at what minute of the 5h video from Joey. All I saw so far was that he is also making bad calls on the river when looking at his crotchmonitor.
I've literally played thousands of hours of live poker and never seen someone behave like that. Mike himself, when not god running, does not behave like that. If you don't consider completely different behaviour when crushing vs when losing proof, what will it take?
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:48 PM   #5621
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Why do people buy the line that he crushed at any point? It's a farcical story from him being the most profitable player. He never even specifies his biggest win or highest stakes played at..

And from his online tournament results it really doesn't add up.

He deliberately didn't even confirm any of his screenames.
His PocketFives profile was posted earlier, with screen names for UB and PStars. Ironically, his Stars handle was Fleacer:
http://www.officialpokerrankings.com...3CF41.html?t=2
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:49 PM   #5622
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no, the smoking gun is that his winrate/hourly is literally impossible in a game that size.



^extrapolating 30 hands/hr with an effective $10 big blind, that's

$830*3.33333 = $2767 won per 100 hands

for a winrate of 276.7bb/100

and by any metric you want to look at, this is literally impossible-




MBN to never have a >5 buyin downswing. in the real world, we just call that a cheater.

but i'm sure postle just manages to do it somehow with the ol' 95o in his 4b defense range
30 hands an hour is also way overestimating it, it's probably closer to 20 so that further skyrockets his winrate. Include PLO where it's probably under 20 hands am hour as well.
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:49 PM   #5623
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I've seen nothing in these videos that is proof. And I've watched a lot. Yeah he is looking at his cell phone and yes he is looking at his crotch we can see that..



I know people that look at their cell phone all the time. What if he is following a game, maybe he has a bet on it?! What if he's in a conversation? Some people have cell phone addiction or whatever..



Pls show me one clip of evidence or at what minute of the 5h video from Joey. All I saw so far was that he is also making bad calls on the river when looking at his crotchmonitor.
You claim to be an avid poker and cannot see how ridiculously obvious Postle isn't doing this on his own?

Interesting, avid poker player, just joined 2+2, posts in nothing but the Postle cheating thread.

Avid.....
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:49 PM   #5624
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58:08(https://youtu.be/1vlmz8T86DQ?t=3490)

Hand begins between Mike, Dave o and Harlan (4 bet pot mike has 55). Harlan makes a flush on the river on 9 9 2 T 8 and calls an all in from Dave o (he had ace high), Mike folds his 55.

1:01:28(https://youtu.be/1vlmz8T86DQ?t=3688)

Justin makes a VERY interesting bet here with the other commentator (This is one of mikes early streams shortly after he first started to cheat btw). Is this a coincidence that Justin knows this early in mikes cheating expedition that he would have made a REDICULOUS hero call on the river with pocket 5s vs an all in on 9 9 2 T 8 ?. This simply can't be a coincidence.

Justin bets with the other commentator that assuming Harlan didnt have a flush Mike would of 100% hero called Dave o's shove on the river. This is an unbelievable assumption by Justin if you watch the hand and honestly its a VERY big sign he knows about Mike. Mike is blatantly cheating in broad daylight in this stream early in his cheating days in front of the man who owns the casino while he is on commentary... I mean common there is no way Justin isnt in on this.

1:10:55 (https://youtu.be/1vlmz8T86DQ?t=4255)
Justin cant wait any longer to get a response from Mike so he calls mike LIVE and asks him about the hand (isnt that against the rules?). The response going from here is priceless. This needs to be seen by Doug or Joey or anyone that can get this out there.

At 1:21:34 says he spoke with Doug Polk for over an hour.
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:50 PM   #5625
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

I do think he is cheating. That being said, I don't like the argument about him playing $1/3 and the Potripper graph. The games he is in are played much bigger than that. Live winrates and online 100bb capped games are comparing apples to oranges. That was also a long term winrate for Potripper, and a very small sample size for Postle. A couple hundred of hours is nothing. Especially considering how hot he ran in all-ins and with his draws over this sample. He could have still known his opponents cards and ran way over his all-in EV. I wish someone would ask him why he thinks it's appropriate to be looking at his phone in the middle of a hand? That's not allowed anywhere?
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