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Old 10-07-2019, 10:41 AM   #5326
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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What Will Be The Punishment?

Maybe this has already been answered, but I'm not going to spend all day wading through 5,000+ replies to find out ...

If the various "investigations" conclude that there was, indeed, cheating on the part of MP with the aid and collaboration of one or more Stones managers/employees, what are the likely repercussions for the owners of the Stones Gambling Hall?

According to what I've read, when suspicions were initially raised by poker players about Mike Postle, Stones management claimed they had "conducted an investigation" and concluded there was no cheating. (Sounds familiar, doesn't it?) So, after a thorough and objective investigation, MP receives a clean bill of health from Stones management. Then a former employee comes forward with allegations that air on ESPN and CNBC. Stones reaction to this development is to announce that a new "thorough and independent" investigation will be conducted.

This is one of the unspoken rules of the gaming business, but I've always been under the impression that casino operators don't really care about poker players cheating each other. After all, unlike blackjack and the other table games, poker cheats aren't going after the House's money so why should the casino operator care?

According to the American Gaming Association, only 11 percent of a casino's revenue comes from poker, so the poker room barely pays for itself. Since poker players are so "low profit" when compared to the other table games like craps, roulette and blackjack - not to mention slot machines which are virtually 100 percent profit - the primary interest from the operator's perspective is to keep the poker games moving with minimal interruptions. Prolonged delays to investigate and resolve cheating accusations are a money drain to be avoided.

This case is different as it has attracted media attention shining a negative light on what goes on in these card rooms. If the perception begins taking hold among the general public that cheating in these card rooms is rampant and routine - and casino management is in on it - gamblers may begin avoiding these establishments altogether. The thought process might run something along the lines of: "Well, if the managers are in on the cheating in poker, they're probably in on the cheating in everything else, so I'm taking my business elsewhere." Such a development could lead to a drop in gaming tax revenues, so California (and Nevada) gaming authorities have a vested interest in discouraging the intentional neglect of cheating allegations by card room operators.

The way this kind of neglect and inaction is discouraged is by the imposition of fines and monetary penalties on the casino owners. Since this particular case is likely to get even more media attention, (especially if criminal charges are filed against MP and one or more Stones employee(s) are indicted right along with him), the California Gaming Commission is likely to conduct their own investigation.

If the GCC concludes that Stones management knew what was going on and effectively chose to ignore and cover it up, what will be the likely punishment? I would guess a substantial fine at a minimum all the way up to [possibly] revoking the Stones gaming license? (Has any casino lost its gaming license after the GCC concluded that owners and/or employees were involved in the cheating?)
California only runs card games (no slots allowed unless it's an Indian Casino)
I believe Stones only runs poker along with games like Pai Gow
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Old 10-07-2019, 10:43 AM   #5327
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TO Joey und Doug,

This is getting ridiculous! Yes you had me aboard when I watched your videos with the claims. BUT NOW IT FEELS LIKE A WITCHHUNT!

I am an avid poker player and really liked both of yours videos. Chicago Joey back in the "what's up papi!?!" day's and Doug twitch grindings were awesome!

But now have you ever considered that u might be off here?
Having listened to the Mike Matusow interview and reading what he has as reputation;
I came to this conclusion:

Here are the key points..

- Chris Moneymaker has a long past of playing with him in countless joints and he says:
HE (Postle) is a "really good f@#@@ing player" why don't you take this into consideration?

This is very significant info to me. This shows to me, proves that he is a crusher who does not need to pull of this crazy stunt of cheating on a LIVE STREAM! who would do that?
That would be straight insane! If they (stones and him) wanted to cheat they would certainly to it off stream where they could easily get away with wouldn't you think?
They could do just that and run away with x times the amount of 100k.

In my opinion that alone is straight up crazy. (STONES AND POSTLEHAVE NO MOTIVE; IF THEY ARE MAKING THE MONEY THEY ARE MAKING WITHOUT CHEATING)

-MIKE Matusow looked at 3 key hands b4 the interview and found nothing unusual!
IF DURRR PULLS OF A MOVE LIKE THIS OR IVEY (3-4 BETTING ON THE RIVER WITH AIR YOU GUYS SAY THIS IS STRAIGHT UP GENIOUS AND WORSHIP THEM, YET HERE YOU BASH THE GUY AND SAY IT'S EVIDENCE? MIKE MATUSOW WHO I TRUST WITH HIS JUDGMENT SAW NOTHING WRONG WITH THE HAND HE SAYS...

-Other Pros are vouching for the guy. In a world like ours where reputation is key who would do that.

-the original accuser is supposely a losing player (angry polak)
I watched her play and have to agree. It's even in her name she is a sour loser
Watching her comment the QJ HAND was very tilting. HE folded to Marley on the turn to with top pair so what? Good play in my books. And she is mumbling 10 times that's crazy! No it's not! That's what good payers do when facing big bets with marginal hands. That's why she is losing probably.

- HIS HENDON MOB LOOKS GOOD

I'm on my phone and can't see too much but will continue in next post
One more thing, there is a difference between "playing good poker", and "making the correct decision". Mike is not playing great poker, but what he is doing is making the correct decisions.

Correct decision = more of the outcome of the hand winning/losing the hand.

Playing good poker = Making the correct play in the moment regardless of the outcome of the hand winning/losing.

Mike is just simply making the correct decisions, but he by no means is playing good poker.
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Old 10-07-2019, 10:44 AM   #5328
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W/ regards to the commentators - I think it is very likely it will be found one or more commentators had knowledge or were involved in what was happening.


I don't think we can find anything by talking about how bad or good they are at poker but I have a feeling something will come to light.
Hi Joey,

Do you think this because of information you've received privately and can't share yet because of protecting sources/needing to verify stuff etc, or just on the basis of what's on the videos and ITT? If the latter can you elaborate a bit on why exactly you think this? If the former then fair enough I guess we'll wait and see.
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Old 10-07-2019, 10:44 AM   #5329
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You're missing the point. It was the live stream that was allowing them to cheat. No stream = no cheat
Agreed. BUT stil I think he would risk his rep for 100k . Did u see his hendon MOB?
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Old 10-07-2019, 10:45 AM   #5330
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Other Pros are vouching for the guy. In a world like ours where reputation is key who would do that.
Everyone has to make their own decision about what their own reputation is worth.

I've known Mike Postle a long time - more than 15 years, though I haven't seen him in at least 10 years IIRC and have rarely spoken to him over that time. But he's someone I've generally thought of as a friend.

That said, there's no way I'd vouch for him in a situation like this. Quite frankly, he looks guilty. But even without all that evidence, I just don't feel confident enough in how well I know him to make a public statement on his behalf.

Hearing all these old UB players I've known forever coming out in support doesn't really surprise me -- they've all been friends for years. But it does kind of make me wonder if some or all of them have also engaged in shady behavior (or worse) to get more out of their time at the tables.

And if not, they just don't seem to value their own reputations very much.
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Old 10-07-2019, 10:46 AM   #5331
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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I do not know enough, but listening to the Matusow interview closely I have a "hunch" that he is innocent
Even if not, don't jump the gun. DO not crucify a man until proven guilty. Can you imagine what kind of damage you do to him and his family? He has a little daughter for crying out loud. And all you have is Durrr like hands? And not precise numbers on winrates?
MIKE Matusow says it's not a crazy winrate and I have to agree. With the straddles and all the action at 1 3 it's not crazy.

Can you imagine if proven he is innocent what he can do to you? He can sue you for all you got Joey and you made a fool out yourself. Plus when you pointed out the spot on his head which u called " evidence" in your last video for conductive headphones, I was like come on Joey! This grey hair! And when u hit 40 you'll have it too.
Really I liked ALL your videos you 're a very likable guy but this... come on! The hat thing... pff

But what I don't like of you and Doug who I liked also is when you don't show respect for Mike Matusow, and Mike Postle( until proven otherwise) you CANNOT call him an A hole Joey on stream. I thought that was very relentless and made me come out and say something.

These could be your older brother's or even father's agewise and you don't show any respect for that.
How would you feel in 10 years if some younger PUNK talked to you or about you without respect publicly. You know what Matusow did for the poker community, he has very little scandals of what I know. And he inspired you I bet to where you are when u started. And now you talk down on him...

Anyways if he can prove that he was the biggest crusher on ub then what? You stop making jokes he is a cheat right?

Mike Postle if you want to prove that u can contact joeingram or Doug directly and ask them to not disclose the info publicly.. That's how you can clear your name. Or ask Matusow as mediator.

You can also send me pm. More than willing to help in this mess...

Peace out everyone!
If this is not a troll (I really hope it is, for your sake) then you're almost as ******ed as Matusow. Oh and who ****ing cares if he has a daughter when he stole a quarter mil from people. Not her fault and she should never be attacked for it, but that is no reason to not go after Mike.

Oh and I am not even going to do the "alleged" cheater thing. I think he is a cheater, with absolute certainty. What are you going to do about it?
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Old 10-07-2019, 10:47 AM   #5332
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

If you don't think Mike at very least cheated and that most likely others knew that worked at Stones then you're in complete denial at this point.

Doug and Joey are doing very good at explaining and shining a light on Cheating. There should be 0 tolerance. Props to Joey for taking the whistleblower's concern seriously and doing research. And good on Doug to keep at it. I'll keep smashing upvote on your vids.

Cheating fkn sucks but when you're a straight up dousche and smirk over it , makes it seem so much worse.
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Old 10-07-2019, 10:50 AM   #5333
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Calling all 2plus2 private investigators...

Found another shot of Mike's phone when leaving the table. What app is he using here? Its a pretty clear shot. Is that just the normal twitch app?
Warning: When viewing this clip it is recommended to use .25 speed or go frame by frame. Enjoy!

https://youtu.be/q_Dza9Z8LMo?t=10180

02:49:39
Not sure. Here's a frame grab in case others can recognize it:

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Old 10-07-2019, 10:51 AM   #5334
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(STONES AND POSTLEHAVE NO MOTIVE; IF THEY ARE MAKING THE MONEY THEY ARE MAKING WITHOUT CHEATING)

First of all, even if mike postle can beat the games that is irrelevant. Mike is not going to average 900bb/100 over 300 hours, this comment is just silly.

Tom dwan analogy is also silly, tom dwan is playing high stakes, mike is bluffing 3way/4way at live 1/3 and being correct at an extreme degree, the player pool at these stakes are significantly different.

Calling veronica a losing player regardless if it is true or not is also irrelevant, plenty of players that are winning pros agree that he is cheating.

If you can't understand the points above and you find nothing suspicious about mikes play and the math involved, your probably the losing player.

I do find his pay and behaviour suspicious...

Also the comment by Berkley and Joey are convincing to me or were... BUT see my points?
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Old 10-07-2019, 10:51 AM   #5335
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lance is MP inside man... change my mind
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god >

0:17 , 0:44 who tells dealer to tell JD to reregister cards? , 0:50 , 0:56

ungodly >

1:38 , 1:56 , 2:02 lol , 2:33 no bluff from god?

2:18 gets up fr table next hand 2:21 pressed hands on hat OFF
watch hand at 0:44 JD cards don't get picked up by RFID, someone tells dealer to tell him to reregister cards in real time, who?

watch hand at 1:19 JD cards don't get picked up by RFID, Lance than shows up to table to check dealers headset at 1:24 …. BOOOMMMMMM
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Old 10-07-2019, 10:51 AM   #5336
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Not sure. Here's a frame grab in case others can recognize it:

Reminds me of pokergo but who knows
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Old 10-07-2019, 10:52 AM   #5337
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Lower stakes. That makes it even easier to punt off one buy-in when needed to. And it worked
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Old 10-07-2019, 10:54 AM   #5338
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Hi Joey,

Do you think this because of information you've received privately and can't share yet because of protecting sources/needing to verify stuff etc, or just on the basis of what's on the videos and ITT? If the latter can you elaborate a bit on why exactly you think this? If the former then fair enough I guess we'll wait and see.
Yes private information received + information/connections I've found that aren't strong enough to talk about + my own take on the situation from everything I've watched.

Will get more into it as time goes along.
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Old 10-07-2019, 10:54 AM   #5339
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Guys guys, lay off the commentators, it's like we are running out of stuff on MP so let's attack the commentators, they are cheesy yes, but that's not the point of this thread.

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Pretty much this Remember, they all watched Mike make crazy plays for a year.
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Old 10-07-2019, 10:54 AM   #5340
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By the way an anagram for your username is "pee god".
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Old 10-07-2019, 10:55 AM   #5341
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@godeep

Who creates an account in Mar-2018, makes no poasts, and in Oct-2019 remembers the password to log in and poast bull$%*t?

sociopath or psychopath?
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Old 10-07-2019, 10:56 AM   #5342
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Or dog pee
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:03 AM   #5343
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mike is god first have of this stream > hands 0:17 , 0:17 , 0:44 , 0:50 , 0:56 , 1:31

mike is ungodly second half of this stream > 1:38 , 1:56 , 2:02 , 2:33

I believe he is trying to mouth something to main stream camera (reactions to game are different in every other spots) > 0:59 , 1:37

watch hand at 0:44 JD cards don't get picked up by RFID, someone tells dealer to tell him to reregister cards in real time, who?

watch hand at 1:19 JD cards don't get picked up by RFID, Lance than shows up to table to check dealers headset at 1:24

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pSU...outu.be&t=5822
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:07 AM   #5344
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GoDeep, you haven't done the research. If you have you would see what Chris MoneyMaker has stated in regards to the events over the past week. Your playing devils advocate here in the sense that you need to go and watch the evidence. After you watch hours of the evidence then draw a conclusion. You seem to draw your conclusion based off the Matusow interview and 3 hands…. REALLY????


Watch how he plays in non god mode streams and just compare his body language to god mode streams. That's one thing I recommend you can do.
Have you considered what he says about the guy? He is a f good player. Coming from Moneymaker that's good enough for me.. I did some research on the videos but now like Joey had of course. My point is: if Mike Matusow didn't see anything wrong with the 3 hands. Which were the most talked about. The 45 hand Moneymaker didn't even feel he was cheated on...

It doesn't look good from a certain standpoint.. That's all I am saying and what Moneymaker was saying. It doenst look good. Let him prove and don't jump the gun.

I have no affiliation with either Mike. BUT I hate to see am imnocent men being proscecuted by an angry mob.
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:07 AM   #5345
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We have an exciting monday ahead of us; will Stones make further comments?
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:08 AM   #5346
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https://youtu.be/q_Dza9Z8LMo?t=11790

What a scumbag this guy is for real. Look at how his behavior changes from 3:17:30 (haven't watched his phone yet) to 3:17:42 when he sees that other player has AKo. He knows that he can steal this big pot if A or K doesn't hit. AK doesn't hit and easy all-in bluff for scum-mike on the river.

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Old 10-07-2019, 11:16 AM   #5347
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What a scumbag this guy is for real. Look at how his behavior changes from 3:17:30 (haven't watched his phone yet) to 3:17:42 when he sees that other player has AKo. He knows that he can steal this big pot if A or K doesn't hit. AK doesn't hit and easy all-in bluff for scum-mike on the river.

Bets $80 on the turn... best player in the fckn world btw LOL
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:17 AM   #5348
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

not that i think it is super relevant regarding the cheating allegations, but still. is someone already trying to verify/disprove the story of his profit at UB? do we know his sn?

sorry if this has been adressed already, just too much stuff to go through.


amazing job to everyone involved bringing this forward, what a sickening story
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:19 AM   #5349
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Bets $80 on the turn... best player in the fckn world btw LOL
And laughing his ass off when betting 5% on turn because he knows it works and if A or K doesn't hit he can steal the pot. It's almost like he knows!
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:21 AM   #5350
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I think what may have happened here is that several people had access to the twitch stream key. More than 1 person needs access to the twitch stream key because stones streams like 4 days a week. Which means different people are in charge on different days. And if you have access to the stream key then you have access to the non delayed feed even remotely.

Yes you heard me, if you can obtain a twitch stream key you can access your stream without a delay. Imagine being at home miles from the casino but having access to the live feed just because you are given the twitch “password” to the account of stones. Who would have that “password”? I think many people would because whoever is working that day needs it. Justin doesnt work everyday.

I just watched a stones stream where the broadcaster types “justin get off the account in the twitch chat”. The funny thing is justin is on a trip overseas. The video is below.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/360589063?t=7995s
It should be time stamped around 02:13:00. Keep an eye on the chat replay.

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