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Old 10-13-2019, 08:13 AM   #8076
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Think all of you should take a breathe. I spent the last entire week running through the streams WAY more through than Joey, Doug, or the spreadsheet creator. The $326k number is WAAAAAAYYYY off. No accounting for rebuys or addons in it. After going through them all that number is MUCH more realistic over a 18 month period. We are talking like $158k. IF I were playing defense attorney I would be blowing this number away. It takes a lot of the steam out of their claims and without solid proof of any calibration between Stones and Postle or cheating device this entire thing gets thrown out.

Then Postle turns around and slams Joey, Doug, Brill, and all the plaintiffs with a slander lawsuit and wins because the one thing he WILL be able to prove is that without any proof Brill started a smear campaign and with the help of Reagan mathematics inflated the damages to at least 1.5x what they actually are. So while Joey keeps trolling streams admiring a "god" they should be getting their **** together so they don't get dismissed as being haters on someone that capitalizes on playing bottom pairs like their the nuts.

Thats the other thing you should run the numbers on. The guy plays 5-6, 4-5, 7-8 like AJ or 10s. Run the % on how often he plays those.



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Watching the stream you mention back on December 23 2018 and you bring up a very good point.

The rebuys are certainly off for that session so far. I think the only way I can figure this out is if I go through every single minute of every single session myself.
yes he always adds on, pls dont forget how a good player always wants to cover their opponents. And these add ons can easily deduct his winrate, by half maybe more-just a quick assumption

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Old 10-13-2019, 08:14 AM   #8077
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Yea lock yourself into your home and watch only MSM. They are trustworthy, and have no incorrect opinions.
I try to have an open mind, I think the MSM is deplorable, and as I previously mentioned I genuinely want Mike to be found innocent. I would love to hear a concise argument in support of Mike’s innocence. I am totally open to having my mind changed. Do you just think he ran well and literally thousands of people are misinterpreting that as cheating?
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Old 10-13-2019, 08:22 AM   #8078
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https://youtu.be/oOxc4qbQiLo?t=10346

Watch the 32 hand just before the quote from scott
2:52:20 Solid proof Scott knows mike is cheating.


This Hand- Q8s is very bad example of him cheating. And Scott knows right? cmon...

Harlan gave away a huuge tell, he has to burst out a laugh at how stupid he looks at his options.

wtf are u even saying he was cheating in this session? not in this hand and def not from where I watched,
from the mark for about 30 minutes in, and he is clearly not cheating there. no crotchlook, hatscratch anything.


U have to realize something which u fail to mention. He is a high skilled poker player.

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Old 10-13-2019, 08:24 AM   #8079
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He gained fame now. His book will most likely be a huge success, his name is known to virtually every poker player in the world. Movie makers, documentary maker, news makers, they will all come knocking at his door.
lolz

at best you get a 2 min segment on this. I think it will pay you exactly zero $


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Old 10-13-2019, 08:25 AM   #8080
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Do you just think he ran well and literally thousands of people are misinterpreting that as cheating?
Yep.

For sure you ran good if you win 100k$+ in those games. Don't think his yearly is like 1M$+ playing quite low live cash. Most he plays if I understand it correctly is off stream tourneys and cash.
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Old 10-13-2019, 08:30 AM   #8081
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lol...the rebuys and addons not being 100% accounted for changes nothing. In the Matusow interview, I believe Postle said his winnings were roughly half what people on the internet were claiming. Oh gee golly, so he didn't have a winrate of ~750bb/100 over ~10k hands, it was only ~375bb/100! Welp, guess we ought to just pack it up folks. Nothing fishy going on here, just a totally achievable and legitimate winrate of ~375bb/100 over 10k hands.
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Old 10-13-2019, 08:32 AM   #8082
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lolz

at best you get a 2 min segment on this. I think it will pay you exactly zero $


then u dont live in america. or in the rest of the civilized world.

this kind of fame if marketed right, is worth a fokkload that u cannot imagine..
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Old 10-13-2019, 08:35 AM   #8083
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lol...the rebuys and addons not being 100% accounted for changes nothing. In the Matusow interview, I believe Postle said his winnings were roughly half what people on the internet were claiming. Oh gee golly, so he didn't have a winrate of ~750bb/100 over ~10k hands, it was only ~375bb/100! Welp, guess we ought to just pack it up folks. Nothing fishy going on here, just a totally achievable and legitimate winrate of ~375bb/100 over 10k hands.
At that time they were accusing him of winning 200- 250k, so what he said was, it was around 100k what is your winrate now?
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Old 10-13-2019, 08:37 AM   #8084
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Or maybe not. If he is a confident man, with a positive attitude, he will see the positive side. He gained fame now. His book will most likely be a huge success, his name is known to virtually every poker player in the world. Movie makers, documentary maker, news makers, they will all come knocking at his door.

There is a saying in psychology, which is used for people only see what they want to see.

And if you really want to find the truth, the winrates are superinflated most likely. Give us correct stats to begin with.
I heard the pain in Postle’s voice when he was on Matusow’s podcast. He said he hadn't slept yet and this was at least day 3 when he commented that. I look at it as a lose/lose in that if he’s somehow innocent, he’s lost his entire identity, reputation, livelihood. Not to mention support system, friends, and probably even family members are looking at him differently.

I had a close friend that was falsely accused of rape years ago and he told me the hardest part of the ordeal was when his parents asked him if he had done it. This was a decorated military officer, with incredibly high character, someone I personally looked up to and admired. He told me afterwards that his mind was flooded with suicidal thoughts up until he was exonerated and even afterwards it left him emotionally scarred in addition to having lost a ton of friends.

If Mike is found guilty then very few people will want to ever associate with him. I’m not sure how old his daughter is but she’s going to comprehend what’s going, and wait until the kids at her school find out. If he’s out there or reading this, and I actually hope for his sake he’s not, I would encourage him to find a therapist. There is no happy ending in the Mike Postle story.

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Old 10-13-2019, 08:40 AM   #8085
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He [Mike Postle] was also named card player player of the year in 2015.
What?
Anthony Zinno Wins 2015 Card Player Player of the Year Award
See https://www.cardplayer.com/poker-new...the-year-award.


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I don’t think he’ll ever come clean despite it being about as obvious as a 42 year old baseball player adding 40 lbs of muscle in an offseason and subsequently hitting 70 home runs.
What?
Barry Bonds was born July 24, 1964. He hit 73 home runs in the 2001 season. I'll let you do the math.
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Old 10-13-2019, 08:40 AM   #8086
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Oh gee golly, so he didn't have a winrate of ~750bb/100 over ~10k hands, it was only ~375bb/100!
Game as is it played is like 10 times bigger than online 1$/3$ (bc of straddles and bomb pots).

Thus winrate is like 37.5bb/100 over 10k hands.
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Old 10-13-2019, 08:41 AM   #8087
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At that time they were accusing him of winning 200- 250k, so what he said was, it was around 100k what is your winrate now?
The exact winrate will come out in due time. Mike postles friends and defenders are using the fact that we dont have the “exact” win rate as a defense currently. The facts will show the exact win rate in due time. That is really the only thing Mike postle defenders can defend right now.

They cant defend any/every other shred of evidence pointed out in the last 8000 posts. So they are grasping at the “exact” win rate for now. Something that frankly doesnt even matter.

Mike could have cheated and still lost money. In fact he has in a couple streams like the 1/2 plo stream. Even if he lost 50k over all the sessions doesnt that exonerate him from clear cheating. What is on the tape and other forensic evidence will decide if mike cheated or not. WIN RATES WILL NOT DECIDE IF HE CHEATED OR NOT. Your arguement is invalid. Mike never gets his money in bad when facing big bets while in god mode.

We have seen the tape. We have seen the crotch monster in action... we have seen him win rediculous pots everytime with moves that only you can make knowing your opponent hole cards. There is so much more...

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Old 10-13-2019, 08:43 AM   #8088
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Game as is it played is like 10 times bigger than online 1$/3$.

Thus winrate is like 37.5bb/100 over 10k hands.
Live poker is different than online poker. You only play online... your point is..

Mike also cheated in a 1/2 plo game that is featured a couple pages back. That game did not play larger than a typical 1/3 or 5/5 game. So where are you getting 10x from?
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Old 10-13-2019, 08:45 AM   #8089
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lol...the rebuys and addons not being 100% accounted for changes nothing. In the Matusow interview, I believe Postle said his winnings were roughly half what people on the internet were claiming. Oh gee golly, so he didn't have a winrate of ~750bb/100 over ~10k hands, it was only ~375bb/100! Welp, guess we ought to just pack it up folks. Nothing fishy going on here, just a totally achievable and legitimate winrate of ~375bb/100 over 10k hands.
And how do you adjust bb/100 when a game plays 10x normal games of the same bb? Using bb/100 in NL is extremely subjective.

How about actual proof. What if there was a way to film him for 100’s of hours so we could catch him.

Maybe he is a cheater. But strange betting, staring at his crotch, blurry blue screen, and driving an infinity are nothing close to proof. And lol at those pretending to be lawyers
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Old 10-13-2019, 08:46 AM   #8090
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I heard the pain in Postle’s voice when he was on Matusow’s podcast. He said he hadn't slept yet and this was at least day 3 when he commented that. I look at it as a lose/lose in that if he’s somehow innocent, he’s lost his entire identity, reputation, livelihood. Not to mention support system, friends, and probably even family members are looking at him differently.

I had a close friend that was falsely accused of rape years ago and he told me the hardest part of the ordeal was when his parents asked him if he had done it. This was a decorated military officer, with incredibly high character, someone I personally looked up to and admired. He told me afterwards that his mind was flooded with suicidal thoughts up until he was exonerated and even afterwards it left him emotionally scarred in addition to having lost a ton of friends.

If Mike is found guilty then very few people will want to ever associate with him. I’m not sure how old his daughter is but she’s going to know, and wait until the kids at her school find out. If he’s out there or reading this and I actually hope for his sake he’s not, I would encourage him to find a therapist. There is no happy ending in the Mike Postle story.

Yes, wrong accusals can be a pain in the azz.

Mike if you a reading this: do not give up. The truth will come out eventually, and whatever it is guitly or not, there is no reason to do anything stupid. Albsolutely not worth it.
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Old 10-13-2019, 08:47 AM   #8091
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So where are you getting 10x from?
His ass.
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Old 10-13-2019, 08:49 AM   #8092
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Mike also cheated in a 1/2 plo game that is featured a couple pages back. That game did not play larger than a typical 1/3 or 5/5 game. So where are you getting 10x from?
He is pretty bad PLO cheater, since he is pretty much breakeven player in streamed games. At least not at all anything extraordinary there.
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Old 10-13-2019, 08:50 AM   #8093
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What?
Anthony Zinno Wins 2015 Card Player Player of the Year Award
See https://www.cardplayer.com/poker-new...the-year-award.

What?

Barry Bonds was born July 24, 1964. He hit 73 home runs in the 2001 season. I'll let you do the math.

He was named player of the year by some publication - I’m not going to sift through this thread to find it, but someone posted a picture of it and Mike mentioned it multiple times. I actually think it was Ante Up magazine.


Ok a 37 year old Bonds. Thank you for clearing that up. It was unnatural.
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Old 10-13-2019, 08:54 AM   #8094
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Ironic that "PassiveIsBetter" shows the lowest VPIP (Voluntarily Prepare Insightful Post) and the highest PFR (Post F'ing Ridiculously)
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Old 10-13-2019, 08:54 AM   #8095
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On the brighter side:

Not sure if anyone posted the meaning of the name postle, here it is:

Postle Name Meaning. English (Norfolk): nickname from a reduced form of Middle English apostel 'apostle' (Old English apostol, via Latin from Greek apostolos 'messenger', 'delegate', from apostellein 'to dispatch'). ... However, the word was also used as a personal name.
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Old 10-13-2019, 08:58 AM   #8096
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Guys, he's trying to make the topic about him now... and it's kind of working.

Don't feed the trolls.
+1

...or at least go and read some of his posts away from this thread b4 replying...that'll give you a "jeez what am I doing biting on this" moment!.
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Old 10-13-2019, 09:02 AM   #8097
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Thread has taken a nose dive in quality due to certain posters enjoying the sound of their own voice writing worthless posts.

Inhibit some self-awareness please.
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Old 10-13-2019, 09:05 AM   #8098
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Not sure if anyone posted it but noticed this from Viva Frei (Lawyer) analyzing lawsuit in my feed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp4d6U2kgk8
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Old 10-13-2019, 09:06 AM   #8099
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I heard the pain in Postle’s voice when he was on Matusow’s podcast. He said he hadn't slept yet and this was at least day 3 when he commented that. I look at it as a lose/lose in that if he’s somehow innocent, he’s lost his entire identity, reputation, livelihood. Not to mention support system, friends, and probably even family members are looking at him differently.

I had a close friend that was falsely accused of rape years ago and he told me the hardest part of the ordeal was when his parents asked him if he had done it. This was a decorated military officer, with incredibly high character, someone I personally looked up to and admired. He told me afterwards that his mind was flooded with suicidal thoughts up until he was exonerated and even afterwards it left him emotionally scarred in addition to having lost a ton of friends.

If Mike is found guilty then very few people will want to ever associate with him. I’m not sure how old his daughter is but she’s going to know, and wait until the kids at her school find out. If he’s out there or reading this and I actually hope for his sake he’s not, I would encourage him to find a therapist. There is no happy ending in the Mike Postle story.
I was absolutely transfixed by the OJ Simpson trial back in the day. The villain of the murder trial turned out to be Mark Fuhrman - whatever happened to him? Could you ever have imagined him having any kind of life after the trial?

To the wider population it's even possible that Postle could be celebrated as some kind cult hero despite a conviction here - a bit like Frank Abagnale.

The victims of Postle's cheating, assuming he did, should really enjoy these moments right now, this is when he will be hurting the most.
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Old 10-13-2019, 09:14 AM   #8100
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He was obviously referring to the RichardNaugan account who made a good point about buy-ins and I was just pointing out that some older accounts agreed with the points he was making. So saying it's just a bunch of new accounts arguing for Postle seems disingenuous. I'm just focused on the truth of the matter and the buy-ins and trying to figure out the accurate amount that Postle cheated. It wasn't 350k.
+1 You would think everyone would want to know his true win-rate, I have no idea why people are just glossing over this. I just assumed the 900bb/100 was accurate, but if it is not, that's pretty damn important information.
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