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Old 10-04-2019, 01:35 PM   #3076
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Like I said, I believe he is cheating lol.

Also he is clearly running above EV (someone showed the equity in AI pots).

Also this seems to be in character. He claimed himself to have called AI before with 23o because he "knew" the guy had AK (lol). Weather or not this is true we don't know.

Like I said before I believe he is cheating, but I also believe that ridiculous plays like that (that you or me would never ever do) are completely in character.
''He claimed himself to have called AI before with 23o because he "knew" the guy had AK (lol).''

So, a 100000 bb/100 crusher calling all ins and 3bets with 23o/45o regularly.

Yea, it makes perfect sense
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:36 PM   #3077
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IMPORTANT THOUGHTS ON JUSTIN....
Good post. So timeline could have been; Watching the live stream, Justin sees what seems a ridic play by Mike. He then approaches Mike to ask wtf before the hand hits the delayed feed. Passes this info onto Taylor, who informs comms when the hand comes up, whilst JFK tells Youtube chat.

Could conceivably play out exactly same way on the 68o turning into 89s hand - except Taylor changes the graphics this time whilst the hand is broadcast (or before?)

Still would mean Justin is just taking Mike's explanation on face value. Even if there were other card read errors occasionally (which there were - maybe 4 or 5 examples ITT) still quite a stretch?
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:37 PM   #3078
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I don't think Justin is involved at all.

1. I've watched plenty of interviews with Justin interviewing Mike and it always seems to have an over the top reaction from Justin. Would he really be that excited for a crime he's committing on air?

2. When Justin walks over to Mike at the table, Mike always hides his phone away from Justin.

3. Justin and Taylor both are away from Stones when Mike wasn't at the tables - seems to be that Taylor is much more involved than Justin is.
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:37 PM   #3079
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Mike would have to find someone equally scummy/dumb in order to confide that he wants to pull this off and to find a partner in crime. Justin doesn't strike me as fitting this description, he seems like a good person. I'll eat my words if this is proven wrong.


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Old 10-04-2019, 01:39 PM   #3080
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btw not to get political here but this is the same exact way Trump acts whenever he's caught doing something he's obviously guilty of. the tells are so obvious. that 10-part text where he's just relaying how good he was in the PartyPoker days and bragging about beating "Durrrrrrrr" one time as though that's proof he's innocent is pretty much exactly what I'd expect a narcissist like him to do. nobody who is actually decent at poker would think results from a decade ago would exonerate you of a thing like this.
Postle very obviously has a personality disorder of some kind, psychopath or sociopath or narcissist etc.. That he can cheat people out of their hard earned money while laughing in their face about it, and not even jovially like when you beat a friendly reg at your homegame - but bet/3b bluffing the river and immediately laughing at the other guy because you know he can't call. That and the way he defends himself, and his brothers story about the con-wheel - Absolute sociopath

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I don't think Justin is involved at all.

1. I've watched plenty of interviews with Justin interviewing Mike and it always seems to have an over the top reaction from Justin. Would he really be that excited for a crime he's committing on air?

2. When Justin walks over to Mike at the table, Mike always hides his phone away from Justin.

3. Justin and Taylor both are away from Stones when Mike wasn't at the tables - seems to be that Taylor is much more involved than Justin is.
Not impossible. It would only mean that Justin is the most incompetent person in history. I still can't believe he wouldn't be in on it considering his actions, but Hanlon's razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" - couldn't ever be a more fitting thing than at this moment, if Justin actually isn't in on it. Criminal negligence in that case imo

edit2: Imagine Justin's brain right now if he isn't in on this thing. The guy must be questioning all of life's existence considering how he has handled this and what he tweeted about the initial investigation etc.. I'm still gonna go with him being in on it because the alternative, that he isn't, is just too ridiculous

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Old 10-04-2019, 01:39 PM   #3081
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Yep I am starting to doubt Justins involvement. Justin went up to Mike after seeing 86 hand and is like wtf man thats crazy was RFID right and then he is just like "nah i had 89 suited", and then he is given 89ss as that is the best 89 suited.
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:39 PM   #3082
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I suggest people go give stones a nice google rating/review for their handling of this debacle.
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:40 PM   #3083
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Could conceivably play out exactly same way on the 68o turning into 89s hand - except Taylor changes the graphics this time whilst the hand is broadcast (or before?)
No, the 89ss hand is the best evidence that Mike had help from a Stones employee. It is so different from the other claimed RFID error hands as it is the only one that has been found (so far) where the graphics change.

The graphics change during the hand. There was no time for Mike to text or tell anyone about his hand.

It had to have been someone watching the stream in real time and who knew they had to cover the tracks.

Ryan Feldman of Live at the Bike on the 89ss hand

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Old 10-04-2019, 01:45 PM   #3084
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The graphics are still changing 30 mins after the fact. There are a few other examples of cards being changed mid-hand.

That's why I'd like to know whether the cards can be changed as the feed is going out, rather than whilst it is being captured.

If they can be changed as the feed is being broadcast then it can still be because Mike told Justin in the 30 minute window (and they conceivably just be taking his word for it).

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Old 10-04-2019, 01:49 PM   #3085
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Mike aPostal plays like rainman popping out of the quantum realm having consuming too many pym particles
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:51 PM   #3086
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Watching this interaction between Postle and Justin again and something else popped out.

We suspect that the device used on this stream is a phone on his lap. While he is talking to Justin, his arm is blocking his lap the whole time. As soon as Justin leaves, back to his normal crotch looking position.
Interesting. While the evidence against Justin seems fairly damning, there is another possibility, as some have mentioned: that Justin is a good buddy/fan boy who is either naive or wanted to buy into his buddy's story, and that the reason the cheating scheme had to be put on hold is that Justin's departure from Stone's caused the actual staff collaborator to be moved into a role from which he could no longer effectively collaborate as he had before.

In other words, there could very much be a connection between Justin's departure and the collapse of the cheating scheme, but it could be a different reason than that Justin is his partner.

Not sure how likely that is, maybe it's more likely/simpler that Justin is the collaborator, either with or without others. But why would Postle be hiding his cheat device from him then? Why would he worry about it?
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:54 PM   #3087
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The graphics are still changing 30 mins after the fact. There are a few other examples of cards being changed mid-hand.

That's why I'd like to know whether the cards can be changed as the feed is going out, rather than whilst it is being captured.

If they can be changed as the feed is being broadcast then it can still be because Mike told Justin in the 30 minute window (and they conceivably just be taking his word for it).
If that's the case, then they would have put 89s from the start of the hand, wouldn't they have??
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:55 PM   #3088
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I was surprised to find out that the Ca State Penal code § 182 paragraph 4 lays out the specific charge for conspiracy to cheat and sentencing guidelines are 1 yr county and/or 10K max fine.

Would there be any chance of a Larceny charge due to the amount of money? California jail is so packed you'd be out in 3 or 4 months. Almost worth stealing 250K at that point.
Is the penalty per hand or per session?
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:55 PM   #3089
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:57 PM   #3090
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Seen on twitter. Amazing. Mike McPostle lol

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Old 10-04-2019, 01:58 PM   #3091
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Man Justin and his cronies really tarded up thread overnight.

I guess the panic of that SVP piece was too much to not run to the thread and start putting up Straw Men
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:59 PM   #3092
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Is the penalty per hand or per session?
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:59 PM   #3093
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I forgive poker players that wanted to give Mike Postle the benefit of the doubt after day 1.

But it astounds me that after day 3 or 4 and all the information and hand analysis out there that any poker player would continue to say things like "wait until all facts are out". No mercy for idiots like this. The facts are out. The bricks can only go higher.
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Old 10-04-2019, 02:00 PM   #3094
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On a serious note, if you are close to Mike, you should probably try to reach out to him. I really believe the guy should be on suicide watch. Seriously...

As a single dad who also raised a young daughter by myself, this is going to be devastating for him. He's going from almost a "God" in her mind to being a cheater, a criminal, and may do time in prison for this. Thinking how this will impact her will be devastating to him.

I realize he's still in denial mode, but that's going to end soon, when he realizes he's all alone and nobody is believing his lies anymore.

I am not trying to excuse his behavior. He stole thousands and thousands of dollars from many people over almost 2 years, it's really disgusting. But we all make mistakes, nobody is without guilt. Yes, this is particularly terrible, I know.... I'm just saying that if you once considered Mike a friend, you should really let him know you will be there for him to talk.

Also, Mike, if you are reading this: get a lawyer asap, if you haven't already. Tell him the truth, everything. And then figure out with him the best way out of this. Don't do or say anything about this to anyone but your lawyer. You can discuss your feelings with friends, but don't tell them anything about this, it will only hurt you later. Especially don't go on any podcasts or talk to any poker players to tell your side of the story. They will tell you they believe you, that you only need to get your story out there, etc. They are lying. They are only exploiting you.

I know it seems overwhelming, but you can still do the right thing. You can fix this with your daughter, but it all starts with the truth.
not sure how i feel about this... and about you giving him legal advice.

Im completely unsympathetic to Mike. He crushed players day after day, week after week, month after month, don't you think they have families to take care of too? Monetarily and mentally destroying players, their game, and their bankrolls. We all make mistakes, true, but this is not the same thing as a simple mistake. I would never cheat, even if I had 100% certainty I would never get caught, and I'm sure most if not all here could say the same. We're supposed to feel sorry for his fallen god complex? Sorry, no I have no sympathy there. I do feel sorry for what hes done to his daughter, but he should have thought of that before he did what he did. If you do the crime, be ready to do the time.


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This is why Mike needs to STFU and lawyer up. He has the perfect defense: all of this hand analysis is based on the wrong information! The readers are often wrong, who knows what is really going on at that table, I'm being crucified based on erroneous information, etc., etc.

Sure, it doesn't explain his win rate. But no jury is going to convict if cards are being read wrong, it makes all of this analysis circumspect (to a jury, not to mathematicians or poker players).

Don't get me wrong, he's 100% guilty, that is clear. It's just now about how he can minimize his pain.

Having said all that, I doubt any of this will matter. My guess is the Stones investigation will find multiple smoking guns involving their own employees, who will basically turn on Mike to minimize their punishment. So he's toast, anyway.
not sure how you could sympathize with him except for the fact that he has a daughter. i feel sorry she has a pos dad that basically rage hacked his way into the public eye but just remember, no one did this to him, he did this to himself.
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Old 10-04-2019, 02:02 PM   #3095
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If that's the case, then they would have put 89s from the start of the hand, wouldn't they have??
IIRC, that hand had no showdown, so the RFID never automatically updated when the dealer brought the cards in. But Justin apparently asked Postle what he was doing in that hand, and Postle (probably truthfully) said he had the nuts, and Justin asked the graphics guy to fix it in time for the broadcast.
I'm not convinced the graphics guy is able to do such a thing (overlay the correct cards), but I haven't seen the clip for a while, nor do I know exactly how their system works. Other hands (not involving Mike) show the graphics changing on the river though.
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Old 10-04-2019, 02:03 PM   #3096
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I don't think Justin is involved at all.

1. I've watched plenty of interviews with Justin interviewing Mike and it always seems to have an over the top reaction from Justin. Would he really be that excited for a crime he's committing on air?
I think Justin is very sick and suspect he is in on the scam.

When Justin was interviewing Mike in the booth about his play, he says to Mike: "I think you might have sold your soul to the devil" to explain his great results. He's also joking about Mike "victimising" the table.

I'm guessing he got a kick out of hinting at it on air and making Mike a bit uncomfortable.

https://youtu.be/Gaek0o6eYTo?t=2308

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Old 10-04-2019, 02:03 PM   #3097
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The guy who made that video changed the title a couple days ago. It said nothing about cheating when he posted it in June
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Old 10-04-2019, 02:04 PM   #3098
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Seen on twitter. Amazing. Mike McPostle lol

wtf thats just too ****ing perfect lol. seems to be missing 2p2 and Doug Polk tho.
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Old 10-04-2019, 02:04 PM   #3099
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Do any of those guys even know mike? Do you even know Joey??? Joey Ingram is terrible and can’t beat 2/5NL live. I know him and have played with home many times. Do haralabos and seiver know how hard mike crushed online. Do they know he used to beast some of the best heads up players at the time including durrr? Or are they just giving their opinions based on a few hands shown? You can look up his stats. How is it possible that he cheats in live poker and online on every site and in every casino? Seems too hard to pull off everywhere in every format right?? Postle is playing against some of the weakest players I’ve ever seen on a regular basis and people want to question why he crushes?? Even the high stakes games there have 1/3 caliber line ups.
so this is confirmed mike then. i said it a few days ago when this was posted too. his story matches that 5 page wall of text he sent veronica. hillbomber starts around post 300 and goes on for a few hours, posting nonsense like this.

sorry if this was posted already, not caught up on last 200 posts or so
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Old 10-04-2019, 02:06 PM   #3100
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If that's the case, then they would have put 89s from the start of the hand, wouldn't they have??
you would think so, but could possibly say they were dealing with something else when the hand came up, so by the time they keyed in the info it was midway through the hand. It's still a small operation. Any info from those in the know exactly how the set up worked technically at Stones would be great. Still don't know 100% it's possible to change the graphics on the feed as it's broadcast.
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