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Old 10-07-2019, 05:50 PM   #5626
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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https://youtu.be/WaWPHGvuqDg?t=11926

This has been posted before but not explained. Postle has something in his hand that looks like a device that he points towards the table and presses (possibly turning on or syncing) which he tries to hide then quickly tucks away into his top pocket.
I posted about this here. Here's what that post produced:

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Old 10-07-2019, 05:51 PM   #5627
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What do people here think of the mike matusow interview? I listened only
To part 1 and mike seemed to give this guy way too much credit. I felt he should look at it more like this guy is more likely than not guilty and should
Be treated as such. Matusow should have been professional (lol not sure he can be) and should have watched a few sketchy hands.

Think an interview with Chicago Joey regarding this would have been much better. Matusow seems like a clown (trump supporter/ believer of fake news).
I think Mike Matusow did a great job.

He had only reviewed 3 hands so he didn't have a real grasp of what went down. Does it make him a less qualified interviewer than Joey? Definitely.
But, had he reviewed more hands, there's a good chance this interview never happens.

If you listened to part 2 Mike actually asks multiple tough questions in a very non-alarming way to Postle. Instead of answering them Postle redirects the conversation to something else entirely probably because he can't answer them.
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:51 PM   #5628
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I find this incredibly interesting. I don't want to speculate as to what's happening here, but all of his body motions are suspicious to me.
He takes the phone out of his pocket and into the croutch position and gid mode is activate the very next hand he plays LOL
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:52 PM   #5629
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I've seen nothing in these videos that is proof. And I've watched a lot. Yeah he is looking at his cell phone and yes he is looking at his crotch we can see that..

I know people that look at their cell phone all the time. What if he is following a game, maybe he has a bet on it?! What if he's in a conversation? Some people have cell phone addiction or whatever..

Pls show me one clip of evidence or at what minute of the 5h video from Joey. All I saw so far was that he is also making bad calls on the river when looking at his crotchmonitor.
I have never seen someone look at their phone like that while in a hand. Maybe once if they get an important text or phone call in the middle of a hand but not consistently like that. If I played against him, I would be immediately suspicious of him bc of this. I would literally ask him why he is on his phone so much.

Plus even if he wasn't looking at his phone, I would still say he is cheating in some way. Any poker player with even a handful of experience and knowledge could tell he is playing with perfect information, it is the only way to explain his terrible plays that always work out in his favor. We, as humans, all have tendencies and leaks in our game. His playing style, with crazy bluffs, he should punt his stack off once in a while, but he never does.

Do your own research, people have spent countless hours trying to prove he is guilty and put it up for display for all to view. I hate it when people with 5 posts or less come in demanding things done for them.
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:52 PM   #5630
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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https://youtu.be/WaWPHGvuqDg?t=11926

This has been posted before but not explained. Postle has something in his hand that looks like a device that he points towards the table and presses (possibly turning on or syncing) which he tries to hide then quickly tucks away into his top pocket.
Ive slowed it down , is there an outline of some circular disc in his pocket?

https://youtu.be/ae85REys1T0

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Old 10-07-2019, 05:52 PM   #5631
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30 hands an hour is also way overestimating it, it's probably closer to 20 so that further skyrockets his winrate. Include PLO where it's probably under 20 hands am hour as well.
yea ive heard the stream basically runs at a snail's pace by comparison to the normal 30/hr expectation, and i doubt the std dev in a full ring live game is actually 100 either.

the chance he isn't cheating can literally be rounded to 0% under even the most favorable of assumptions.
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:53 PM   #5632
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I've seen nothing in these videos that is proof. And I've watched a lot.
Post a hand from the date he started cheating where he bluffed into a strong hand for a sizeable amount. Not one of the 50 or so of his plays where he bluffed perfectly. Just one single hand will do.

I'll give you a heads up, there isn't one single hand when he started messing with his phone where Postle bluffed into a strong hand.

The guy is a disgusting scumbag STEALING money and it sickens me there's people like you defending him. He literally laughs at people while he steals.

Look at this shít.

https://twitter.com/Joeingram1/statu...51345923018752
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:53 PM   #5633
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I do think he is cheating. That being said, I don't like the argument about him playing $1/3 and the Potripper graph. The games he is in are played much bigger than that. Live winrates and online 100bb capped games are comparing apples to oranges. That was also a long term winrate for Potripper, and a very small sample size for Postle. A couple hundred of hours is nothing. Especially considering how hot he ran in all-ins and with his draws over this sample. He could have still known his opponents cards and ran way over his all-in EV. I wish someone would ask him why he thinks it's appropriate to be looking at his phone in the middle of a hand? That's not allowed anywhere?
Virtually every pro and semi pro records their results. I even know of *better* games than this Postle game (and their are dozens of these across NA) where a billionaire basically just punts stacks once or twice a week.
I've never seen anyone post or claim a winrate near what Postle has over even half the sample. Ever. It is impossible.
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:53 PM   #5634
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What do people here think of the mike matusow interview? I listened only
To part 1 and mike seemed to give this guy way too much credit. I felt he should look at it more like this guy is more likely than not guilty and should
Be treated as such. Matusow should have been professional (lol not sure he can be) and should have watched a few sketchy hands.

Think an interview with Chicago Joey regarding this would have been much better. Matusow seems like a clown (trump supporter/ believer of fake news).
Complete fiasco mate. I like Matusow and think he is a character, but he is the wrong dude for this kind of interview. No real dive into the main topics and just a ramble about Ultimate Bet.
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:54 PM   #5635
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and everybody who wants to cast doubt or pollute the discourse at this point, including and especially mike ****ing matusow, can kindly shut the **** up now
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:54 PM   #5636
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JFC. You’re looking through 200+ hours of video for anything suspicious, and regardless if people knew he was cheating he was known for his ‘weird’ plays. Of course this can simply be coincidence. You have a very bad idea of the importance of hindsight and the relevance of unlikely events when it happens once in so many hours and you are way too convinced about anything that might be suspicious.
He was known for his weird plays a couple streams after he first started cheating? I was un aware of this.
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:58 PM   #5637
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I've seen nothing in these videos that is proof. And I've watched a lot. Yeah he is looking at his cell phone and yes he is looking at his crotch we can see that..

I know people that look at their cell phone all the time. What if he is following a game, maybe he has a bet on it?! What if he's in a conversation? Some people have cell phone addiction or whatever..

Pls show me one clip of evidence or at what minute of the 5h video from Joey. All I saw so far was that he is also making bad calls on the river when looking at his crotchmonitor.
Yeah, checking on game scores and side convos at the most crucial moments of hands you're involved in, that checks out. Cell phone addiction? Give it up Mike, you're cooked

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Old 10-07-2019, 06:01 PM   #5638
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I've seen nothing in these videos that is proof. And I've watched a lot. Yeah he is looking at his cell phone and yes he is looking at his crotch we can see that..

I know people that look at their cell phone all the time. What if he is following a game, maybe he has a bet on it?! What if he's in a conversation? Some people have cell phone addiction or whatever..

Pls show me one clip of evidence or at what minute of the 5h video from Joey. All I saw so far was that he is also making bad calls on the river when looking at his crotchmonitor.
Everybody knows this guy is Mike. You can quit being an idiot now.
Have fun in jail you useless scumbag everybody in the world knows you cheated and its on ****ing video.
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Old 10-07-2019, 06:04 PM   #5639
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Another simple statistical approach would be to compare his winnings/session from streams when he wasn't using the 'cheating' tells and playing style (pre- July 18, 2018 and the period in summer 2019 when certain staffers were at the WSOP) with his winnings/session when he's been deduced to be cheating. Looking at the graphics, it's a virtual certainty that the two groups are significantly different with an extremely high probability.

If someone can remind me of exactly which sessions during the summer 2019 weren't 'cheating' ones, I'll plug the numbers into the tried and true nonparametric Mann-Whitney U test for determining statistical significance of group differences. If it's found that he wins significantly more from the 'superusing' sessions with a probability of, say, 99%, it's not proof of cheating but another strong piece of evidence consistent with the many others that these sessions are extreme outliers.

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Old 10-07-2019, 06:05 PM   #5640
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I've seen nothing in these videos that is proof. And I've watched a lot. Yeah he is looking at his cell phone and yes he is looking at his crotch we can see that..

I know people that look at their cell phone all the time. What if he is following a game, maybe he has a bet on it?! What if he's in a conversation? Some people have cell phone addiction or whatever..

Pls show me one clip of evidence or at what minute of the 5h video from Joey. All I saw so far was that he is also making bad calls on the river when looking at his crotchmonitor.
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion as to the degree of "proof" the evidence uncovered to date represents.

However, your posts in this thread seem to go beyond a healthy skepticism of the cheating allegations and border on being disingenuous and, dare I say, trollish.

If you have anything of substance to contribute to this thread, please start doing so.
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Old 10-07-2019, 06:06 PM   #5641
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I've seen nothing in these videos that is proof. And I've watched a lot.
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Post a hand from the date he started cheating where he bluffed into a strong hand for a sizeable amount. Not one of the 50 or so of his plays where he bluffed perfectly. Just one single hand will do.

I'll give you a heads up, there isn't one single hand when he started messing with his phone where Postle bluffed into a strong hand.

The guy is a disgusting scumbag STEALING money and it sickens me there's people like you defending him. He literally laughs at people while he steals.

Look at this shít.

https://twitter.com/Joeingram1/statu...51345923018752
Don't waste your time replying to this waste of a human being. He either is Mike himself or his IQ level is less than 1 either way it doesnt matter.
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Old 10-07-2019, 06:09 PM   #5642
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I like to post this up which I noticed yesterday, & important to look at Kasey's body language. A person on streams asks a question in chat, 'Does Mike ever lose?' https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NHKgA1FOO7Q (At 32.50)

The reaction to that question, you can see the uncomfortable, nervous reaction of KM. I have seen other vids of her talking to MP at the table, the multiple celebrations when Mike 'wins', the 'love Mike' comments, it all doesn't sit right with me.
This is interesting and worth looking further into. Kaysee is clearly very uncomfortable about the question.

Her statement helps paint a picture on why though:
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Old 10-07-2019, 06:14 PM   #5643
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Old 10-07-2019, 06:16 PM   #5644
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just another 10 10 fold on turn that should call 10000% of the time lol

https://youtu.be/WaWPHGvuqDg?t=8100 2:15:00

lol the ******ed commentators again. "Is mike gonna put him on another overpair here again?" As if overpairs are the only hands that would bet that board.
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Old 10-07-2019, 06:21 PM   #5645
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no, the smoking gun is that his winrate/hourly is literally impossible in a game that size.



^extrapolating 30 hands/hr with an effective $10 big blind, that's

$830*3.33333 = $2767 won per 100 hands

for a winrate of 276.7bb/100

and by any metric you want to look at, with a pretty standard $100/hr EV for a good reg in the games, this is literally impossible-




MBN to never have a >5 buyin downswing. in the real world, we just call that a cheater.

but i'm sure postle just manages to do it somehow with the ol' 95o in his 4b defense range
Great post.

And yea, even if he played good ranges preflop this winrate wouldn't be plausible.

Thing is he plays complete TRASH junky hands and somehow is the best live player in the world.

Lol @ people saying there is no evidence at this point.
They're either Mike or doesn't know **** about poker or math
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Old 10-07-2019, 06:21 PM   #5646
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Justin is the man who started this whole thing most likely hes the most suspicious person on the show other than mike.
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Old 10-07-2019, 06:23 PM   #5647
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its JFK, Postle, and Taylor. split 3 ways
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Old 10-07-2019, 06:24 PM   #5648
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New Pokerfuse podcast came out today, starts Postle talk around 12:30 mark. Seems pretty good so far.

https://pokerfuse.com/poker-podcasts...podcast/15475/
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Old 10-07-2019, 06:25 PM   #5649
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I've never seen anyone post or claim a winrate near what Postle has over even half the sample. Ever. It is impossible.
Which part of this is impossible? What do you think Postle's winrate is?
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Old 10-07-2019, 06:29 PM   #5650
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[TWEET]

So Kaysee went to management (have to assume this includes Justin) on March 13th with concerns that Postle was cheating

Justin posted a video on his facebook page on March 14th showing Postle losing a big pot

The only logical conclusion I can come up with is that Justin knew what was going on and was trying to cover it up
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Justin is the man who started this whole thing most likely hes the most suspicious person on the show other than mike.
I was convinced Justin was in on it right after reading this thread the first days, before Joey started the investigation streams. Now there is no doubt in my mind he's involved.

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its JFK, Postle, and Taylor. split 3 ways
Maybe but Mike only needs JFK and im sure he'd rather split 2 ways.
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