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Old 04-28-2020, 10:25 PM   #10826
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It’s not a weird argument, they are not able to dispute the facts as alleged so they are left with a “what plaintiff says is true and there is no basis to hold us liable” argument.
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Old 04-29-2020, 06:10 AM   #10827
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it appears marle is suing over a hand she won. Is she trying to collect opportunity costs?
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Old 04-29-2020, 06:21 AM   #10828
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it appears marle is suing over a hand she won. Is she trying to collect opportunity costs?
If he could see everyone's cards, he could make all sorts of sick folds.
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Old 04-29-2020, 06:30 AM   #10829
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It seems pretty unusual to sue a casino over a rigged poker game. This is only possible because they used the live stream and everyone can see the evidence of exactly what was done.
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Old 04-29-2020, 12:00 PM   #10830
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Right back at it I see. Who is the “they” and what evidence do you see but never articulate showing “exactly what was done”?
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Old 04-29-2020, 01:00 PM   #10831
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Amazing thread, one of the craziest things I've ever seen in poker. Also shows how bad the poker content creators are at making clear concise videos/content, I've had to watch and read so much stuff to actually find the most suspicious incidents.

I don't think Joeey or anyone else really understands making content, a 15 minute video detailing this thing from start to finish and showing the 5 most controversial hands with a catchy title would rack up millions of views.
This may not be exactly what you were looking for, but I think he did a pretty good job (22 minutes, 800,000 views):

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Old 04-29-2020, 01:26 PM   #10832
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Old 04-29-2020, 01:35 PM   #10833
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Right back at it I see. Who is the “they” and what evidence do you see but never articulate showing “exactly what was done”?
Maybe try watching the dozens of Doug Polk and Joe Ingram videos. There is also plenty of information ITT. You are obviously a good lawyer but may not know so much about poker if you think there is a question about the cheating.
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Old 04-29-2020, 02:29 PM   #10834
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that 22 minute video was nothing but a bunch of wild speculations by a very unprofessional sounding narrator, with most things being said were of no value in drawing any conclusions.

the looking at his phone was the only thing i saw in it that would with better info lead to a result of what they were trying to prove.
the video was very biased and made to be sensationalized with the commentary and noises.

dont take this as i am defending anything just talking about what the video looks like to me.
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Old 04-29-2020, 02:31 PM   #10835
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other videos of just the play of the hands lead to a definite conclusion to a seasoned no limit holdem player.
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Old 04-29-2020, 02:40 PM   #10836
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i dont think i will play in any game where my hole cards are known to someone else during the hand. one of the reasons i wont play in big tournaments. at least in the early past but they may have gotten the bugs out by now i dont know.
and dont generally want to put big money in play in spots where i cant tell or feel if cheating is happening. too much has gone on in the past that i know of and very sophisticated things that cant be detected.
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Old 04-29-2020, 05:10 PM   #10837
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Thanks for the link, Ron.
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Old 04-29-2020, 06:28 PM   #10838
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Maybe try watching the dozens of Doug Polk and Joe Ingram videos. There is also plenty of information ITT. You are obviously a good lawyer but may not know so much about poker if you think there is a question about the cheating.
You keep insinuating and outright claiming that Stones employees were involved in the cheating but when asked (repeatedly) for proof you evaluate my poker knowledge? Maybe you should learn how to back up your allegations with facts.
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Old 04-29-2020, 06:44 PM   #10839
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You keep insinuating and outright claiming that Stones employees were involved in the cheating but when asked (repeatedly) for proof you evaluate my poker knowledge? Maybe you should learn how to back up your allegations with facts.
It doesn’t have anything to do with your poker knowledge. He’s talking about videos they made specifically about Postle, not about poker strategy. He’s pointing out that the facts and evidence have been highlighted in those videos and in this thread. There’s no reason for him to pull all that together for you when he told you where you can already find it. See the first post of this thread for a summary.
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Old 04-29-2020, 07:46 PM   #10840
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You keep insinuating and outright claiming that Stones employees were involved in the cheating but when asked (repeatedly) for proof you evaluate my poker knowledge? Maybe you should learn how to back up your allegations with facts.
The lawsuit claims Justin K. was involved and Stones put him on unpaid leave. Justin's behavior was certainly suspicious. I am not sure how much is out publicly implicating Justin. However, I believe the suit also names John Does. It seems unlikely that top management would be involved for various reasons. Your implication is valid that what involvement Stones employees had may be a key issue. As a layman, I would think that the case against Stones would be much weaker if Justin is not involved and stronger if others at Stones, particularly in management, were involved.
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Old 05-01-2020, 07:15 PM   #10841
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When is Postle going to turn in his confederates, be dismissed from the suit, and allow them to go after the only party - Stones - with cash?
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Old 05-01-2020, 08:38 PM   #10842
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When is Postle going to turn in his confederates, be dismissed from the suit, and allow them to go after the only party - Stones - with cash?

If nothing else, his testimony could be used against him in suits brought by other players. Not to mention a possible criminal case (which won't happen otherwise).
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Old 05-02-2020, 12:09 PM   #10843
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If nothing else, his testimony could be used against him in suits brought by other players. Not to mention a possible criminal case (which won't happen otherwise).
What other players? it appears that everyone that appeared in the games in question is a class group and could release him from litigation.

You can't get blood from a stone unless it is Stones.

P has no value as a defendant other than his testimony against S.

Has a criminal complaint been filed against anyone? The last thing I want is the assets and earning power of my civil suit defendant to be diminished.
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Old 05-02-2020, 12:54 PM   #10844
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Any news on our dear friend Mike Postle? I do hope he is doing OK during this stressful COVID19 lockdown.
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Old 05-02-2020, 03:28 PM   #10845
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When is Postle going to turn in his confederates, be dismissed from the suit, and allow them to go after the only party - Stones - with cash?
He wouldn't want to do that unless he gets immunity from criminal charges. At this point, worst case is he's bankrupt. If he turns on his fellows in the civil case, he can be charged criminally.

Even if he gets state immunity, he can still face federal charges.

How likely is it a casino will be held liable for this? Unlikely in Vegas I think, or in AC, is CA different? I mean, REALLY different? Even if they are liable, they only have to pay a percentage of the damages, and a jury would probably hold the people who did this more liable than the casino. So, the casino may be liable for what, 20%? That's not scary money, especially when they have insurance which will likely cover it and certainly pay for a lawyer.

I guess the law firm has a plan, they just haven't shared it with me.

It won't happen.
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Old 05-02-2020, 04:21 PM   #10846
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punitive damage awards are what defendants worry about. along with high legal fees.
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Old 05-02-2020, 08:48 PM   #10847
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punitive damage awards are what defendants worry about. along with high legal fees.
Also bad publicity. It isn't like someone got burned by hot coffee. It doesn't make Stones look good, and might make people think twice about playing table games there.

We don't know how strong a case the plaintiffs have built. How closely was Postle involved with Stones and with setting up the live feed. Were other Stones employees besides Justin involved?

Presumably it is worth it to the law firm to take the case. Of course they also get publicity. It is almost certain to be settled. There is a question of whether the plaintiffs will get that much though.
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Old 05-03-2020, 05:10 AM   #10848
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It doesn't make Stones look good, and might make people think twice about playing table games there.
How's McDonald's doing? The public will look at the Postle controversy the same way you look at people who spill coffee on themselves.

You take a risk, you may get burned.
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Old 05-03-2020, 05:17 AM   #10849
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How's McDonald's doing? The public will look at the Postle controversy the same way you look at people who spill coffee on themselves.



You take a risk, you may get burned.
True. The general public isn't all that bright and the McDonald's case certainly confirmed that.
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Old 05-03-2020, 05:25 AM   #10850
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How's McDonald's doing? The public will look at the Postle controversy the same way you look at people who spill coffee on themselves.

You take a risk, you may get burned.
This is it. It'll be the same as when gang members and drug dealers are victims. "They knew what kind of life they were getting into" will be the general view.
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