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Old 06-03-2020, 04:40 PM   #10901
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Are there stories where poker scammers get justice?
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Old 06-03-2020, 04:44 PM   #10902
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I was just wondering how I can afford an $80,000 Telsa on what appears to be a net $50,000 a year.
What are you basing $50,000 a year on? Is that just a number you made up to fit your narrative?
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Old 06-03-2020, 04:48 PM   #10903
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So is this a case of bad prosecuting or something else? Where' Gzesh!?
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Old 06-03-2020, 04:52 PM   #10904
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back in the way old days where some people you never saw again?
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Old 06-03-2020, 04:55 PM   #10905
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So is this a case of bad prosecuting or something else? Where' Gzesh!?
case was already figured by many to be difficult to get a win

this I guess
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Old 06-03-2020, 05:00 PM   #10906
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I mean OK he got away with it. But his career in poker is finished and whilst whatever the number is is clearly still too much to just let someone get away with , let's say 250k, that is actually a pretty small number to what could have eventually been taken had this not been exposed.

Not familiar with law outside of the uk, but certainly here there would be a very strong civil case that could be put together outside of the criminal courts.
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Old 06-03-2020, 05:21 PM   #10907
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Plaintiffs' Case Against Mike Postle, Stones Dismissed by Judge

https://www.pokernews.com/news/2020/...udge-37385.htm
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Old 06-03-2020, 05:22 PM   #10908
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I mean OK he got away with it. But his career in poker is finished and whilst whatever the number is is clearly still too much to just let someone get away with , let's say 250k, that is actually a pretty small number to what could have eventually been taken had this not been exposed.

Not familiar with law outside of the uk, but certainly here there would be a very strong civil case that could be put together outside of the criminal courts.
People said the same about Lederer and Ferguson yet there they are at the Rio playing WSOP events and they are far more recognizable than Postle. Give it a few years and he'll be playing somewhere.
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Old 06-03-2020, 05:33 PM   #10909
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Would not be at all surprised if he was back playing live poker this year , all his friends / 'supporters' from stones who the whole time said hes not cheating will happily welcome him back. Poker world never fails to amaze me at how little care most people have for trying to keep the community clean of any cheaters or scumbags.

How long until stones comeback stream featuring postle?
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Old 06-03-2020, 05:34 PM   #10910
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sad, but kinda expected =(
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Old 06-03-2020, 05:38 PM   #10911
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Are there stories where poker scammers get justice?
The Borgata? chip stealing (or were they fake chips?) flushing down the toilet incident.

Edit: Yep, Borgata and fake chips.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-p...0SG1ZQ20151022

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Old 06-03-2020, 05:39 PM   #10912
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All he has to do is lose 20lbs, wear shades and a cap when playing and no one will know who he is, especially if he tours around the US to play
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Old 06-03-2020, 05:39 PM   #10913
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Old 06-03-2020, 05:42 PM   #10914
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All he has to do is lose 20lbs, wear shades and a cap when playing and no one will know who he is, especially if he tours around the US to play
And mask!
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Old 06-03-2020, 06:22 PM   #10915
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So is this a case of bad prosecuting or something else? Where' Gzesh!?
Uhmm,

Werewolf ? There wolf, there castle .

This is not a case I have any role in, nor do I have any dog in the fight.

I do think it is reprehensible, as a matter of public policy, that a casino licensed by the State of California (fact check?) has disavowed ANY duty to customers to offer a fair game. I expect that a license applicant in California is subject to some requirement of honesty and trustworthiness. What is the point of licensing under California law; if, once licensed is a casino free to do whatever in its operations that may run contrary to player interests ?

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Old 06-03-2020, 06:34 PM   #10916
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Uhmm,

Werewolf ?

There wolf, there castle .
Therecastle ?

Where castle, White Castle

Mike Postle is at White Castle!?
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Old 06-03-2020, 06:39 PM   #10917
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https://www.pokernews.com/news/2020/...udge-37385.htm

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According to court documents obtained by PokerNews via Pacer, the judge sided with the argument put forth by King’s that the plaintiffs' various claims were “not cognizable under California law because California public policy bars judicial intervention in gambling disputes, in part because the asserted damages are inherently speculative” as laid out in Kelly v. First Astri Corp.

While some of the charges were dismissed with prejudice, meaning they're settled barring an appeal, the door was left cracked on some, so an amended complaint can still be filed by the plaintiffs who took the case to court last October.
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Old 06-03-2020, 06:44 PM   #10918
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I know people are all upset about the verdict but don't go Postle in your local poker room.
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Old 06-03-2020, 06:55 PM   #10919
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I mean OK he got away with it. But his career in poker is finished and whilst whatever the number is is clearly still too much to just let someone get away with , let's say 250k, that is actually a pretty small number to what could have eventually been taken had this not been exposed.

Not familiar with law outside of the uk, but certainly here there would be a very strong civil case that could be put together outside of the criminal courts.
That's funny that you think his career is finished. He will be sidelined for a few months and that's about it. People have done a lot worse and they are still playing. Truth is that it affected a few people and those who were not directly affected won't care. If he has money, he will be welcome.
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Old 06-03-2020, 06:55 PM   #10920
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Not familiar with law outside of the uk, but certainly here there would be a very strong civil case that could be put together outside of the criminal courts.

This was the civil case.


And the dismissal relied on California "law" (or lack thereof).
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Old 06-03-2020, 06:59 PM   #10921
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Would not be at all surprised if he was back playing live poker this year , all his friends / 'supporters' from stones who the whole time said hes not cheating will happily welcome him back. Poker world never fails to amaze me at how little care most people have for trying to keep the community clean of any cheaters or scumbags.

How long until stones comeback stream featuring postle?
this, only a few people would recognize him in the room tops outside of stones. Little care is one thing, but people paying attention to global poker news is a lot smaller part of the overall poker world than some people here think.
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Old 06-03-2020, 07:00 PM   #10922
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This is not a case I have any role in, nor do I have any dog in the fight.


Curious, is there any common law cause of action in California, against the casino as may lie in other states ?

See Berman v. Riverside Casino Corp., 323 F.2d 977, 979 (9th Cir. 1963) (citing, among others, Harris v. Bowden, Queen’s Bench, 1563, Cro. Eliz. 90, 78 Eng. Rep. 348; Dufour v. Ackland, 1830, 9 L.J.K.B. 3) (“[T]he common law rule, as of the time of Nevada’s admission to the Union, appears to have been that [a defrauded party] who lost money in a crooked gambling game could recover in a civil action.”); Catts v. Phalen, 43 U.S. 376, 381 (1844) (holding that lottery operators can recover amounts paid to individualwho fixed the drawing through “a deeply concocted, deliberate, gross, and most wicked fraud”); Hobbs v. Boatright, 93 S.W. 934 (Mo. 1906) (recognizing common law causes of action for fraud and conspiracy to recover losses stemming from fixed footrace); Stewart v. Wright, 147 F. 321 (8th Cir. 1906) (similar); see alsoZaika v. Del E. Webb Corp., 508 F. Supp. 1005, 1008 (D. Nev. 1981) (citing Berman and recognizing a fraud action for losses caused by cheating); State Gaming Control Bd. v. Breen, 661 P.2d 1309, 1310 (Nev. 1983) (distinguishing action to recover alleged keno winnings from Bermanand Zaikabut citing them with approval)but see Babcock v. Thompson, 20 Mass. 446, 449 (1826) (“Clearly if the gaming had been fair, the law would give no remedy. The only question then is, whether the fraud will alter the case

However, thus is not my case, the above comes from a footnote from a UNLV law review article. I have not researched anything beyond that and am not presently admitted to practice in California.

https://scholars.law.unlv.edu/cgi/vi...16&context=glj

Good luck on appeal.
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Old 06-03-2020, 07:02 PM   #10923
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Ferguson and Lederer are decent players. Postle can play where ever he wants, although no legal poker rooms are open now. There is a question whether he can win without cheating.
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Old 06-03-2020, 07:04 PM   #10924
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Wonder if Justin goes back to work at Stones like nothing happened?

Really curious what this does to their live stream, surely they aren't dumb enough to start it back up?
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Old 06-03-2020, 07:05 PM   #10925
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Are they going to appeal? I guess this case is on a contingency fee basis. Will it be worth it for the lawyers to appeal?

Was this like the third motion to dismiss they filed, using different arguments for each?
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