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Old 05-03-2020, 08:18 AM   #10851
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How likely is it a casino will be held liable for this? Unlikely in Vegas I think, or in AC, is CA different? I mean, REALLY different? Even if they are liable, they only have to pay a percentage of the damages, and a jury would probably hold the people who did this more liable than the casino. So, the casino may be liable for what, 20%? That's not scary money, especially when they have insurance which will likely cover it and certainly pay for a lawyer.
Most state, including CA, have joint and several liability for economic damages so the Plaintiffs could collect a 100% of the judgment for economic damages from the solvent defendants.

As Gzech pointed out a while back, If it is proven that Stones stream was used as the cheating mechanism, they will probably be on the hook for some damages under one or more of the different COAs alleged.
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Old 05-03-2020, 09:55 AM   #10852
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Most state, including CA, have joint and several liability for economic damages so the Plaintiffs could collect a 100% of the judgment for economic damages from the solvent defendants.

As Gzech pointed out a while back, If it is proven that Stones stream was used as the cheating mechanism, they will probably be on the hook for some damages under one or more of the different COAs alleged.
Yikes. So one small car accident in the wrong state, and you're totally screwed for life. Well, glad I learned something today.
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Old 05-03-2020, 10:01 AM   #10853
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True. The general public isn't all that bright and the McDonald's case certainly confirmed that.
Just out of curiosity, do you know anything about the McDonald's case? There were 700 instances of people getting burned by scalding hot coffee served through their window into a world where cupholders were rare. 1st and 2nd degree burns all over the country because they were serving coffee far hotter than one can actually drink it. You really think they shouldn't have some responsibility to pay for the injury?

She never recovered and died poor and spent all the settlement money (200k iirc) on health care. But sure, juries are stupid and they hate large corporations. I'm sure there are frivilous lawsuits, this wasn't one of them.
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Old 05-03-2020, 10:01 AM   #10854
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True. The general public isn't all that bright and the McDonald's case certainly confirmed that.
I don't think the verdict in the McDonald's case was inappropriate at all.
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Old 05-03-2020, 10:06 AM   #10855
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How's McDonald's doing? The public will look at the Postle controversy the same way you look at people who spill coffee on themselves.

You take a risk, you may get burned.
The people who think that way aren't potential Stones customers anyway. The question is how gamblers feel about it, not how the general public feels about it.
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Old 05-03-2020, 10:28 AM   #10856
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I don't think the verdict in the McDonald's case was inappropriate at all.
Of course not, you would also sue the parents of the kid who spit on your sidewalk. Welcome to litigious Merica!
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Old 05-03-2020, 10:38 AM   #10857
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yeah mcdonalds was doing something where they kept the coffee absurdly hot well beyond drinkable because then the 6 hour old coffee tasted fresh once you waited for it to cool down

they are hard to find, but the photos of the burned legs are out there and quite shocking to look at, you're thinking of what happens when you spill your coffee on yourself, not when you spill chernobyl coffee on yourself
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Old 05-03-2020, 10:41 AM   #10858
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Of course not, you would also sue the parents of the kid who spit on your sidewalk. Welcome to litigious Merica!
iirc doctor quinn medicine woman had an episode where everyone was suing everyone else and at the end of the episode actually had a blurb detailing that there were far more lawsuits on a per capita basis then than in modern times
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Old 05-03-2020, 11:29 AM   #10859
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

On a more global concept-

Don't we play in licensed poker rooms in California in order to AVOID fixed games, cheaters, sharps, bottom-dealing, partnerships, etc. etc. Instead of playing in Joe's garage?
As such- is the lawsuit speaking to that; Did Stones in effect either allow a crookedness to happen, and/or actually aid and abet in such a game?

Everything else seems to be quite distractive.
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Old 05-03-2020, 12:16 PM   #10860
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How's McDonald's doing? The public will look at the Postle controversy the same way you look at people who spill coffee on themselves.

You take a risk, you may get burned.
If you found out the poker games at Stones had been rigged with the involvement of staff, how would you feel playing baccarat or blackjack against the house?
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Old 05-03-2020, 12:55 PM   #10861
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If you found out the poker games at Stones had been rigged with the involvement of staff, how would you feel playing baccarat or blackjack against the house?

You don't play against the House. (Cozy nature of arrangement between House and Corporation is another subject).
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Old 05-03-2020, 02:40 PM   #10862
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If you found out the poker games at Stones had been rigged with the involvement of staff, how would you feel playing baccarat or blackjack against the house?
Cheating the poker games generally? Or just in the live stream?

I'd play regular tables if the cheating was limited to the live stream. Lots of people still played live poker at Stones after the scandal broke. How much business did they lose?

Lots of people still played on live streams too at other casinos.

I don't play house games because I can not afford it. At least at poker I win enough once in a while to fool myself into thinking I am break even / profitable.
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Old 05-03-2020, 02:56 PM   #10863
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Of course not, you would also sue the parents of the kid who spit on your sidewalk. Welcome to litigious Merica!
No I wouldn't.

Do you actually know anything about the McDonald's coffee case?
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Old 05-03-2020, 03:13 PM   #10864
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Gotta love people who accept the spin of a corporation that had been repeatedly cited for unsafe food preparation practices, and ridiculed a woman who only wanted her medical bills paid for.
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Old 05-03-2020, 03:25 PM   #10865
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Just out of curiosity, do you know anything about the McDonald's case? There were 700 instances of people getting burned by scalding hot coffee served through their window into a world where cupholders were rare. 1st and 2nd degree burns all over the country because they were serving coffee far hotter than one can actually drink it. You really think they shouldn't have some responsibility to pay for the injury?

She never recovered and died poor and spent all the settlement money (200k iirc) on health care. But sure, juries are stupid and they hate large corporations. I'm sure there are frivilous lawsuits, this wasn't one of them.
I know everything about the case. I was there to witness the coffee as it spilled. I saw it all..the pain, the agony, the terror. It was the single most defining moment in my entire pathetic life. That being said, you clearly didn't understand my post at all.

To clarify: the public gave McDonalds a pass on that case...not just a pass but most sided with McDonalds and thought the verdict was ridiculous. Now reread my initial post.

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I don't think the verdict in the McDonald's case was inappropriate at all.
Nor do I.
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Old 05-03-2020, 03:33 PM   #10866
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You are right. I looked up the coffee case. They were serving coffee at 190o F / 90o C to make old coffee taste better. The woman was hospitalized with 3rd degree burns. She offered to settle for $20,000 initially and $90,000 right before the trial. The jury awarded $2.7 million, mostly punitive damages. The judge reduced it to $640 thousand, and they settled for a reduced amount when McDonalds appealed. The woman got about $250 thousand after lawyers fees. The case was misrepresented by corporations as an example of frivalous out of control law suits and jury verdicts.
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Old 05-03-2020, 04:00 PM   #10867
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Old 05-03-2020, 06:04 PM   #10868
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I only order ice coffee.
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Old 05-03-2020, 06:31 PM   #10869
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Old 05-03-2020, 06:34 PM   #10870
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Rounderlife is "debunking evidence"
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Old 05-03-2020, 06:51 PM   #10871
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America is an absurdly litigious society. But the people mocking the McDonalds case would feel pretty stupid if they actually bothered to learn about it.
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Old 05-03-2020, 07:37 PM   #10872
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cliffs on macdonalds case?
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Old 05-03-2020, 07:56 PM   #10873
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You can't be bothered to type "mcdonalds coffee lawsuit" into Google? I thought *I* was lazy.
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Old 05-03-2020, 08:12 PM   #10874
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Give him cliffs on google
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Old 05-03-2020, 08:18 PM   #10875
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