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Old 06-03-2020, 07:06 PM   #10926
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Wonder if Justin goes back to work at Stones like nothing happened?

Really curious what this does to their live stream, surely they aren't dumb enough to start it back up?
I'd hope everyone who has heard of this case avoids Stones Casino like the plague.
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Old 06-03-2020, 07:09 PM   #10927
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Wonder if Justin goes back to work at Stones like nothing happened?

Really curious what this does to their live stream, surely they aren't dumb enough to start it back up?
Justin is on unpaid leave and will probably be let go. If he is back there, it won't go over well. However, I don't think Stones is happy with him at all.
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Old 06-03-2020, 07:15 PM   #10928
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Are they going to appeal? I guess this case is on a contingency fee basis. Will it be worth it for the lawyers to appeal?

Was this like the third motion to dismiss they filed, using different arguments for each?
The case is dead when it comes to Mike Postle being involved. ALL five items dismissed. Plaintiffs can amend their claims for negligence and fraud against Stones and JK, but it has to follow guideline laid out by judge.

I suspect this will slowly die out. This is no longer a case about a cheater, more less a case about a card room and employee that allegedly allowed cheating to happen.

Mac is clownshoes. Everything he did was IMO an attempt to get a settlement from Stones. He is lazy and his clients should just get away from this as fast as possible. IF he had done any work he would have already had the "rake" amount for the judge during the call last month. IF they file amended motion, it will be for a few thousand dollars, NOT 30 million.

Going to be interesting to see what happens next. Even if they file amended return MP is free and clear.
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Old 06-03-2020, 07:26 PM   #10929
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Just for reference, there's a local that cheated a home game for like 6 months... Admitted it, tried to "Make things right", but pocked tons of money.

This person laid low for like 4-6 months, then started showing up at the casinos to play, WITH a lot of the same people they cheated.
The people mumble under their breath "F*ck you, you cheater" or tell other people at the table that they cheated a home game, etc.

But at the end of the day, cards are dealt and nothing happens.

If Postle moved to like Chicago/Indy/Hammond or FLA there would be like 10% of the room that would think "Is that POSTLE!?!" and like that's it.

He'll be out there grinding in no time
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Old 06-03-2020, 07:31 PM   #10930
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I bet he's out there playing with a mask and hat on right now
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Old 06-03-2020, 07:40 PM   #10931
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The one take away I've learned from these forums is this.

Scamming and cheating in poker is always +EV

Any situation where a person can steal money, break a rule, or just flat out cheat a game should always be taken by a player. There is no consequence and any backlash is forgotten with the player coming back in few months/years.

It is more +EV for someone to cheat a game or scam a player then it is to try and learn then game and play within your bankroll.
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Old 06-03-2020, 07:51 PM   #10932
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The one take away I've learned from these forums is this.

Scamming and cheating in poker is always +EV

Any situation where a person can steal money, break a rule, or just flat out cheat a game should always be taken by a player. There is no consequence and any backlash is forgotten with the player coming back in few months/years.

It is more +EV for someone to cheat a game or scam a player then it is to try and learn then game and play within your bankroll.
This has been the case forever. How many scammers are at the WSOP every year who should've been outed years ago? How many 10k+ buyins were Chino Rheem and Eli Elizera playing while owing large sums? I always find it funny when people talk about "How great the poker community is", because it's actually a joke.
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Old 06-03-2020, 07:51 PM   #10933
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What are you basing $50,000 a year on? Is that just a number you made up to fit your narrative?
Hendon Mob stats for a specific vlogger over 15 years.
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Old 06-03-2020, 07:53 PM   #10934
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Postle can always grind and maybe can find other angles. Justin will have trouble getting a job anywhere. Stones' reputation is damaged, but degens will degen.
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Old 06-03-2020, 07:58 PM   #10935
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Is anyone surprised? Any comments from experienced attorneys indicated there probably wasn't a case.

Their comments were ignored or not explored.

For the 80+ plaintiffs, nothing ventured nothing gained.

It is unfortunate that many made such an emotional investment into such a speculative venture.
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Old 06-03-2020, 08:01 PM   #10936
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I mean OK he got away with it. But his career in poker is finished and whilst whatever the number is is clearly still too much to just let someone get away with , let's say 250k, that is actually a pretty small number to what could have eventually been taken had this not been exposed.

Not familiar with law outside of the uk, but certainly here there would be a very strong civil case that could be put together outside of the criminal courts.
Bro, what planet do you live on? He can play poker wherever he wants. The casinos are't going to stop him unless he cheated them,

The players? You think they are going to stop him? Every major poker room you go into have a handful of scumbags. People who borrowed a ton of money and never pay it back. Not even if they win a tourney. They all still play whenever they want. There are all kind of scammers who play poker.

Once and a while one of these scammers might steal from the wrong person and pay a price. But 95% of the time they get away with it free and clear. Most poker players aren't the most intimidating bunch.

Maybe Postel lost his chance at being the next poker ambassador at ESPN, but thats about it.
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Old 06-03-2020, 08:03 PM   #10937
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

It was clearly over when they tried to sanction Postle for acting as his own attorney.

Who wouldn't want to embarrass him at trial?
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Old 06-03-2020, 08:17 PM   #10938
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Did the defendants ask to be reimbursed for their attorney's fee?
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Old 06-03-2020, 08:21 PM   #10939
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Old 06-03-2020, 08:23 PM   #10940
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Don't some lawyers in this type of case only get paid when you win? I see commercials all the time that say that. Was this one of those situations?

"If we don’t win, you don’t pay" from a Las Vegas lawyer's website.
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Old 06-03-2020, 08:36 PM   #10941
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Yes , you are talking about are plantiff attorneys. For the most part they are corrosive part of society . Postle case was a little different.

Plantiff atty's help drive up costs for healthcare, all forms of insurance, just about any business. They get 30-50% of settlement as their fee so plantiffs pay nothing unless they win.

Class action attys are even worse. They will sue any big company for good , bad or no reason. Pull in 1000s and 1000s of others. Each person will end up getting $5.50. Lawyers will keep the rest of the $40,000,000. Many times its less expense for Corporations to just pay off the case (i.e. pay off the attorneys) vs long expensive litigation. Basically its a legal form of extortion.

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Old 06-03-2020, 08:51 PM   #10942
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It will be interesting to see how players adapt their strategies now that we all know that cheating, while possibly against some poker room rules, is completely legal (at least in Cali, but potentially other places as well).
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Old 06-03-2020, 08:56 PM   #10943
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Be fed other peoples hole cards; we wont do anything about that but edge sort and, by god, you wont get away with it.
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Old 06-03-2020, 09:08 PM   #10944
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It will be interesting to see how players adapt their strategies now that we all know that cheating, while possibly against some poker room rules, is completely legal (at least in Cali, but potentially other places as well).

Really?

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Chapter 10. Section 332



(a) Every person who by the game of “three card monte,” so-called, or any other game, device, sleight of hand, pretensions to fortune telling, trick, or other means whatever, by use of cards or other implements or instruments, or while betting on sides or hands of any play or game, fraudulently obtains from another person money or property of any description, shall be punished as in the case of larceny of property of like value for the first offense, except that the fine may not exceed more than five thousand dollars ($5,000). A second offense of this section is punishable, as in the case of larceny, except that the fine shall not exceed ten thousand dollars ($10,000), or both imprisonment and fine.

(b) For the purposes of this section, “fraudulently obtains” includes, but is not limited to, cheating, including, for example, gaining an unfair advantage for any player in any game through a technique or device not sanctioned by the rules of the game.


(c) For the purposes of establishing the value of property under this section, poker chips, tokens, or markers have the monetary value assigned to them by the players in any game.
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Old 06-03-2020, 09:12 PM   #10945
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Question. Did California Gaming Board investigate at all? Had he tinkered with a slot machine and walked off with $300k in winnings, they would have. Yet poker is about "rake" so it's not really an offense against Stones, right?

Gaming Board should have / must provide hard evidence, cause going to a judge with "But look at this outlier chart Your Honor" is only statistics. They need evidence, or the only penalty will be MP's inability to play at any poker table due to "reputation / speculation".
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Old 06-03-2020, 09:28 PM   #10946
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Question. Did California Gaming Board investigate at all? Had he tinkered with a slot machine and walked off with $300k in winnings, they would have. Yet poker is about "rake" so it's not really an offense against Stones, right?

Gaming Board should have / must provide hard evidence, cause going to a judge with "But look at this outlier chart Your Honor" is only statistics. They need evidence, or the only penalty will be MP's inability to play at any poker table due to "reputation / speculation".

Somewhere above a poster said he had contacted an investigator. I believe it was for the Gaming Board.
The Gaming Board won't/can't do anything to Postle.
They might fine Stones for lack of oversight/security.
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Old 06-03-2020, 09:37 PM   #10947
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Bro, what planet do you live on? He can play poker wherever he wants. The casinos are't going to stop him unless he cheated them,

The players? You think they are going to stop him? Every major poker room you go into have a handful of scumbags. People who borrowed a ton of money and never pay it back. Not even if they win a tourney. They all still play whenever they want. There are all kind of scammers who play poker.

Once and a while one of these scammers might steal from the wrong person and pay a price. But 95% of the time they get away with it free and clear. Most poker players aren't the most intimidating bunch.

Maybe Postel lost his chance at being the next poker ambassador at ESPN, but thats about it.
Mate do you think if WSOPME was on this year the hosting casino would accept his $10,000 buy in and Norman Chad would be on ESPN saying "Whoaaaaa there we have accused cheater Mike Postle on the felt getting back into the mix!"

Your example of "borrowed money" has nothing to do with play / cheating at the table, which is what this case is about. Every poker boss in the world knows his face, and it's their right to not let him play. Or, they can let him play. I guess we will see.

It's poker. It's seedy. But there must be one ounce of integrity in deciding / allowing who sits in those chairs.

I also wonder. Clearly he cheated with technology. Would GG Poker, PokerStars, etc... let him open an online account? We will see.

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Old 06-03-2020, 09:38 PM   #10948
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It will be interesting to see how players adapt their strategies now that we all know that cheating, while possibly against some poker room rules, is completely legal (at least in Cali, but potentially other places as well).
Cheating in a casino game is not legal in Nevada.
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Old 06-03-2020, 09:41 PM   #10949
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Really?
Interesting statute.

So is

"CHAPTER 10. Gaming [330 - 337z] ( Chapter 10 enacted 1872. )


337x.

It is unlawful to cheat at any gambling game in a gambling establishment."

Was that cited by the plaintiffs ?

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Old 06-03-2020, 09:42 PM   #10950
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Mate do you think if WSOPME was on this year the hosting casino would accept his $10,000 buy in.
Absolutely. How is this even a question in your mind?

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It's poker. It's seedy. But there must be one ounce of integrity in deciding / allowing who sits in those chairs.
But there's not.

Other than Stones, Postle will likely be able to play pretty much anywhere he wants at places that are open. I doubt he even gets one word said to him at the table.
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