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Old 06-26-2020, 12:35 PM   #11326
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I am aware of bone conduction.

What I don’t know is how the card info was transmitted to his hat then relayed it to his brain.

So know we are saying that he is able to get this from text to audio?
If bone conduction audio was in use, the most likely method would be to have someone in the control room (or any other place with the live feed) telling him the hole cards.

Imagine if he had regular headphones on. Then imagine how someone might be able to transmit info to him through those. They would just say it, he would hear it, boom. No text-to-speech necessary, just have your confederate looking at the hole cards in the back. "Harlan has AQ with no spades, Frank has 86 of hearts, good luck."

Bone conduction headphones are just a different type of headphones than in-ear types. You'd use them the same way, the only difference is that no one would know you have them on if you installed them into a cap.
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Old 06-26-2020, 02:10 PM   #11327
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How did the employees know his hole cards were wrong? Employees had to manually change the card graphics, but mike was in the middle of a hand , so we can watch the video and see that he didn’t stop the hand and say hey my cards are wrong. Even if he did, how would he know that the cards in his hand were different from the cards on the display? There’s no way he could tell without someone who is watching the stream AND is able to check with mike mid hand helping him out.

I don’t see anyway to make the cards change unless someone knew the cards that mike had and then they knew that they needed to change them to make the hand history look legit.

There’s no way this happens except for cheating - it’s impossible for mike to know what the screen says without cheating and it’s impossible for the announcers to know what cards he has in front of him unless mike was telling them.

How could this happen mid hand unless someone was cheating?
The stream is on delay so it doesn't have to happen mid-hand.
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Old 06-26-2020, 02:16 PM   #11328
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Article on the Nevada Postle case. Seems he has an "official" attorney now.
Great, candid disclaimer by the author of the Article fwiw:

"Disclaimer: This author is not a lawyer and has virtually zero qualifications to analyze legal documents or arguments. Nevertheless, she persists."
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Old 06-26-2020, 09:44 PM   #11329
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The stream is on delay so it doesn't have to happen mid-hand.
So if there wasn’t any cheating we would see postle get up and discuss the issue with the floor/ staff within 30 minutes of the hand, is that correct?
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Old 06-27-2020, 12:29 PM   #11330
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Watching the Las Vegas TV episode with the cheating poker player. The hole cards are transmitted to someone in the audience who then signals the player like a third-base coach. Postle is listed as a technical advisor.
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Old 06-27-2020, 08:17 PM   #11331
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In my screenplay, V is the in the audience signaling P. She knows that the law will prevent any prosecution and splits the take.
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Old 06-28-2020, 01:42 AM   #11332
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Watching the Las Vegas TV episode with the cheating poker player. The hole cards are transmitted to someone in the audience who then signals the player like a third-base coach. Postle is listed as a technical advisor.
Hasn't made it into his imdb.

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm4660862/?ref_=nmbio_bio_nm

No idea if this is our Mikey
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Old 06-29-2020, 04:47 PM   #11333
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did that podcast with joey and mike ever happen?
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Old 06-29-2020, 05:34 PM   #11334
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The stream is on delay so it doesn't have to happen mid-hand.
It doesnt work that way. The graphics are baked into the program feed live and then delayed. I am going to be putting out a Youtube video about this soon as I think a lot of people don't fully understand the way that the GFX system works. If a hand is played at 7:00PM and is seen by the public at 7:30, there is NO way to change the graphics at 7:15PM before the feed goes out on the delay. The creator of GFX confirmed this in an interview about the situation here: https://www.pokernews.com/news/2019/...ions-35609.htm

"I can confirm that once a change has been made to a graphic in real-time, there’s no way to change it before it pops out at the other end of the stream delay, so this quite literally blows my mind....

If the operator had stopped to think for more than five seconds, he would have realized that the change would be impossible to explain after the fact, so I suspect it was done in a moment of panic."

In fact, anytime the cards display for a player they can only be changed by manually overriding the system. That means the action tracker technician has to physically type in the players' hand from the selection of cards that is left in the deck, in real time. Anytime you see cards change in the middle of the hand, someone is changing them (the action tracker technician) at the exact time the hand is being played out. So anytime a hand is changed while the physical cards remain face down the tech is guessing as to what that player has. This is why on LATB you only see these manual types of overrides at the end of the hand, after showdown, because the physical act of the cards being turned over is the only way to tell what the player has. There are no backup hole card cameras.

In my research on this issue, however, I discovered that hands have been changed similar to the 89ss hand on Stones Live, in the past (during the middle of then hand). Again, each time that happens, the tech is making the change without actually knowing what the player holds. I spoke with a technician that worked at Stones between 2016-2017 (pre Postle) and he said that their were so many complaints from the players that the graphics were incorrect during a hand (mostly due to a sensor in another seat having a card dealt over it and registering as the card for that seat) that there was a culture of the action tracker technician changing the cards on his own--through pure conjecture--to make the hand make more sense. Normally this would happen when an aggressive action was made by Seat 1 or Seat 9 with a hand that made absolutely no sense -- like cold 4 betting with K3os, AND also the player next to that player (seat 2 or seat 8) 's cards not registering at all. If that sequence of events happened it was quite obvious that one of the S2 or S8's cards passed over the S1 or S9 player and registered as one of their cards. This of course did NOT happen in the Postle hand but the technician I talked to said that the action tracker tech would still sometimes change cards during hands on his own, even without an obvious fault in the readers.
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Old 06-29-2020, 07:26 PM   #11335
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Watching a lot of LATB best cash game players are Andy and Garret. Both play really loose pre. Difference between them and Postle is that very rarely they will blast off into the nuts. This never seems to happen to postle. Literally every time he goes for thin value (like Garret and Andy) his opponents always has some hand they can't call with like A9 or something. Postle also never seems to fold flop when he misses (like Garret does). He stays in hand way longer then he should with air. IDK if its edited but he also never tanks for than like 2 seconds when making decisions.
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Old 06-30-2020, 09:01 AM   #11336
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It doesnt work that way. The graphics are baked into the program feed live and then delayed. I am going to be putting out a Youtube video about this soon as I think a lot of people don't fully understand the way that the GFX system works. If a hand is played at 7:00PM and is seen by the public at 7:30, there is NO way to change the graphics at 7:15PM before the feed goes out on the delay. The creator of GFX confirmed this in an interview about the situation here: https://www.pokernews.com/news/2019/...ions-35609.htm

"I can confirm that once a change has been made to a graphic in real-time, there’s no way to change it before it pops out at the other end of the stream delay, so this quite literally blows my mind....

If the operator had stopped to think for more than five seconds, he would have realized that the change would be impossible to explain after the fact, so I suspect it was done in a moment of panic."

In fact, anytime the cards display for a player they can only be changed by manually overriding the system. That means the action tracker technician has to physically type in the players' hand from the selection of cards that is left in the deck, in real time. Anytime you see cards change in the middle of the hand, someone is changing them (the action tracker technician) at the exact time the hand is being played out. So anytime a hand is changed while the physical cards remain face down the tech is guessing as to what that player has. This is why on LATB you only see these manual types of overrides at the end of the hand, after showdown, because the physical act of the cards being turned over is the only way to tell what the player has. There are no backup hole card cameras.

In my research on this issue, however, I discovered that hands have been changed similar to the 89ss hand on Stones Live, in the past (during the middle of then hand). Again, each time that happens, the tech is making the change without actually knowing what the player holds. I spoke with a technician that worked at Stones between 2016-2017 (pre Postle) and he said that their were so many complaints from the players that the graphics were incorrect during a hand (mostly due to a sensor in another seat having a card dealt over it and registering as the card for that seat) that there was a culture of the action tracker technician changing the cards on his own--through pure conjecture--to make the hand make more sense. Normally this would happen when an aggressive action was made by Seat 1 or Seat 9 with a hand that made absolutely no sense -- like cold 4 betting with K3os, AND also the player next to that player (seat 2 or seat 8) 's cards not registering at all. If that sequence of events happened it was quite obvious that one of the S2 or S8's cards passed over the S1 or S9 player and registered as one of their cards. This of course did NOT happen in the Postle hand but the technician I talked to said that the action tracker tech would still sometimes change cards during hands on his own, even without an obvious fault in the readers.
If you reach out to the Attorneys they could hire you as an expert witness.
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Old 06-30-2020, 06:05 PM   #11337
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One of the valuable, and potentially under-appreciated aspects of this extended thread, is that a person can identify a larger number of 2+2 posters whose opinions don't quite have the same appeal as the opinions of the large majority of posters herein.

I greatly appreciate the convenience - somewhat like that of a reverse sluice box - of being able to separate the waste from the gold.
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Old 06-30-2020, 07:53 PM   #11338
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One of the valuable, and potentially under-appreciated aspects of this extended thread, is that a person can identify a larger number of 2+2 posters whose opinions don't quite have the same appeal as the opinions of the large majority of posters herein.

I greatly appreciate the convenience - somewhat like that of a reverse sluice box - of being able to separate the waste from the gold.
? This thread is a conformity contest ?
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Old 06-30-2020, 07:58 PM   #11339
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? This thread is a conformity contest ?
No, I think what he is trying to say is that it is easy to spot the posts from Mike Postle and his two friends from everybody else.
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Old 07-01-2020, 12:15 AM   #11340
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No, I think what he is trying to say is that it is easy to spot the posts from Mike Postle and his two friends from everybody else.
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The press should be all over this one. The greatest evil mastermind in history or the greatest player in history.
If this guy isn't Postle, he does a good imitation.
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Old 07-01-2020, 07:37 AM   #11341
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No, I think what he is trying to say is that it is easy to spot the posts from Mike Postle and his two friends from everybody else.
Lol, I would bet there are 100+ posts in here in which different people are accused of being Postle, Justin or their friends simply because the person is arguing about the quality of the evidence or issues with some of the “logic leaps” posters were presenting. Hell, AP accused six or seven people alone, just by the condensation in the posts critical of her. I am sure golfnut set up his account 12 years ago and ran the long con- thriving on his ESA postings until he could be revealed as a postle gimmick account today.
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Old 07-01-2020, 10:11 AM   #11342
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Lol, I would bet there are 100+ posts in here in which different people are accused of being Postle, Justin or their friends simply because the person is arguing about the quality of the evidence or issues with some of the “logic leaps” posters were presenting. Hell, AP accused six or seven people alone, just by the condensation in the posts critical of her. I am sure golfnut set up his account 12 years ago and ran the long con- thriving on his ESA postings until he could be revealed as a postle gimmick account today.
I agree with you about golfnut.
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Old 07-17-2020, 07:29 PM   #11343
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I mean, I don't know how he did it... but he can't explain his actions during a hand. He can't replicate his actions outside of that card room... and he's made many moves which are terrible and inexplicable.

Do we need to know how to do it? In a Court of Law... yes. Not in the Court of Public Opinion, though. You can feel something is wrong without knowing why something is wrong. Yes, there's a certain air of ignorance surrounding it... but you're at the correct conclusion.

Like, if I say all Nazis liked jello pudding... and I like jello pudding... and then someone else says, "I bet he's a Nazi due to the pudding ties." You probably are thinking, "Wait... that doesn't sound right?" Even though you don't understand axioms or symbollic logic. You might not be able to prove why it is wrong... but you realize that jello pudding doesn't make anyone a Nazi.

Postle is cheating. You don't know how he's cheating. But, he's cheating- and deserves to be held in the lowest regard as a cheater.
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Old 07-17-2020, 11:18 PM   #11344
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I mean, I don't know how he did it... but he can't explain his actions during a hand. He can't replicate his actions outside of that card room... and he's made many moves which are terrible and inexplicable.

Do we need to know how to do it? In a Court of Law... yes. Not in the Court of Public Opinion, though. You can feel something is wrong without knowing why something is wrong. Yes, there's a certain air of ignorance surrounding it... but you're at the correct conclusion.

Like, if I say all Nazis liked jello pudding... and I like jello pudding... and then someone else says, "I bet he's a Nazi due to the pudding ties." You probably are thinking, "Wait... that doesn't sound right?" Even though you don't understand axioms or symbollic logic. You might not be able to prove why it is wrong... but you realize that jello pudding doesn't make anyone a Nazi.

Postle is cheating. You don't know how he's cheating. But, he's cheating- and deserves to be held in the lowest regard as a cheater.
That and $2 will get you a bottle of Coke.
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Old 07-18-2020, 09:39 AM   #11345
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I don’t understand how the hat supposedly worked?

Are people saying his hat emitted some type of signal to his bone that told him each of his opponent’s hole cards?

This is starting to sound somewhat crazy. I agree that there is something with his phone.

I would like to hear how this hat supposedly worked. I think that is pure conjecture at this point.

Maybe he didn’t cheat every hand. Or he was being signaled in a different way than we believe. He might have a different device and he used his phone to cover it up.

I hope one day we found out.
If you are 100% certain that he had information on the phone. Then why don't you believe he wouldnt use a different tech. after the phone ban?

It's a technology not crazy at all and you can try it at almost any bose dealer I believe. You can also just have a chip in your ear for under 20 bucks. what's possible these days is amazing.

A thing like this would explain the bulge (if there was one) in the hat




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Old 07-30-2020, 11:26 PM   #11346
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Is there anyways to find out what kind of car postle had during the streams? If he has an older car during the streams he put his keys on the table, they will have an actual key and not the boxy/electronic kind. If his keys don’t match his car it def holds credence to using the phone/program Joey showed on Investigation 4.
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Old 08-01-2020, 02:35 PM   #11347
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Is there anyways to find out what kind of car postle had during the streams? If he has an older car during the streams he put his keys on the table, they will have an actual key and not the boxy/electronic kind. If his keys don’t match his car it def holds credence to using the phone/program Joey showed on Investigation 4.
For starters, the car keys have fallen by the wayside as a likely means for communication (at least, from what I've seen). That said, someone early on in the thread identified it as an Infiniti keychain.

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Old 08-01-2020, 03:06 PM   #11348
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Ahh ok thanks, obv didn’t want to go through this massive thread haha. I was driving listening to Joey podcasts and hit the part about the deck and the fake key/phone that reads decks.
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Old 08-01-2020, 03:41 PM   #11349
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Is there anyways to find out what kind of car postle had during the streams? If he has an older car during the streams he put his keys on the table, they will have an actual key and not the boxy/electronic kind. If his keys don’t match his car it def holds credence to using the phone/program Joey showed on Investigation 4.
he had a newer Infinity, 4 door i believe. I think he crashed it shortly after this all came out
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Old 08-01-2020, 10:33 PM   #11350
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he had a newer Infinity, 4 door i believe. I think he crashed it shortly after this all came out
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