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Old 10-05-2019, 03:33 AM   #3751
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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After listening to Mike Matosow's part interview, it seems like Mike Postle has some legitimate points. The numbers weren't accurate, so he didn't win $250k. If he won significantly less than that, and if only certain hands were cherry picked to make him look bad, then he very well could be innocent. This whole thing is turning into a bit of a witch hunt...

He also said he's not greedy and giving money back at various points. That's something that can be fact checked.

Postle should certainly have a fair platform to defend himself, same as Justin.
Gosh, you and most other viewers have totally missed how wrong Postle's defence is. He is saying the figures don't account for rebuys and add ons. And he is 100% right, they don't.

But what he covers up is they very accurately report how much he won or lost in the hands screened, which is irrespective of how much he started off with on the table.

So if I start off having $5000 on the table and win $12000 in the session, it is the SAME as having $5000 plus $5000 rebuys and winning $12000 in the session.

And any rebuys or add ons bought before screening would be minimal as he is such a winning player he hardly ever rebuys or adds on.

So the figure of $250K won still stands as an accurate figure of winnings, and any untelevised results are separate to that, so the focus needs to be on the proven televised play.
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Old 10-05-2019, 03:34 AM   #3752
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

I think the fact that Stones had all big names play over the last year like Berkey, Bart Hanson, Moneymaker, etc... is a way for stones to justify that Postle is the real deal and he really is a god. Because if he can beat those lineups he can beat anything.

This is what I believe Justin The tournament director is thinking.
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Old 10-05-2019, 03:34 AM   #3753
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Mike knows SS has Ac6cxx but he could have A6Tx given the turn action - Mike leads turn when T pairs and gets raised by SS.

Mike is visibly pained having to make the call with T4xx. The god of poker who jams regularly with 9 high and 3rd pair, yet is pained having to call with a boat.
For a so called master live tell reader, his body language is so tilted. His head turn away from the table screams 'wtf am I supposed to do here'...very different to the cool, calm & collected crusher who regularly makes unbelievable plays.
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Old 10-05-2019, 03:45 AM   #3754
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Just a FYI...don't know if it's any relevant but the Live Stream is on a different internet/wifi network than the rest of the casino.
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Old 10-05-2019, 03:49 AM   #3755
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

The funniest thing from the emotional side of the PLO hand is how middle of the road it was. He wasn't clueless like the times where he doesn't cheat but he wasn't fully on cocky when he knows the other people's cards. He was agitated, yet semi confident yet semi unsure.

The 10x dick look, the card shuffling to get the card reader to read more, the stampede over to the room to demand answers, telling them his opponent had the nut flush draw. Just so many things all wrapped into one glorious video.

The only maybe thing that is unlikely is that his opponent told him what he had because he mumbled something, but he also mucked his hand, so this seems less than likely. Knowing Mike though, he'll say this is how he knew since he explains away literally whatever, however.
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Old 10-05-2019, 03:51 AM   #3756
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Mike knows SS has Ac6cxx but he could have A6Tx given the turn action - Mike leads turn when T pairs and gets raised by SS.

Mike is visibly pained having to make the call with T4xx. The god of poker who jams regularly with 9 high and 3rd pair, yet is pained having to call with a boat.
also the amount. he was agonizing calling off $600 with a boat but has no problem calling off a 4bet jam for $4k with 54 off.
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Old 10-05-2019, 04:02 AM   #3757
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Hope tonights part 2 will be better than part 1, jeez.
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Old 10-05-2019, 04:06 AM   #3758
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I think the fact that Stones had all big names play over the last year like Berkey, Bart Hanson, Moneymaker, etc... is a way for stones to justify that Postle is the real deal and he really is a god. Because if he can beat those lineups he can beat anything.

This is what I believe Justin The tournament director is thinking.
One of the many funny moments in Stones streams is when Veronica is commentating with another commentator who says what a great idea it would be to have Stones players v Live at the Bike players, and they speculated who could represent Stones.

They suggested their wonderboy Postle, and Veronica suggested Adam, but the Stones players are so bad it is funny to think of them wanting to take on Live at the Bike players, as the Stones players would be so out of their depth.
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Old 10-05-2019, 04:10 AM   #3759
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

https://youtu.be/dAjPLIhePdI

Another perfect river fold getting 4-1. Its actually not totally absurd if you know your opponents but still postle with the perfect river decision.

Now what i really want to post is that, remember stones didnt stream on youtube from about the end of october 2018 until the beginning of march of 2019. Yes they have all the archives on youtube as well as twitch now. They only streamed on twitch during that time. It was a very small viewership at around 40-120 people watching most cash games. Of course you would think that you could cheat because litterally noone was watching or would ever think of dissecting each individual livestream. This is a key point that i think explains why Postle cheated and kept cheating.

Also heres another clip. Standard jam on turn and never ever wrong is mike while laughing.

https://youtu.be/PR6eMJZ3STk. At 33:19

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Old 10-05-2019, 04:22 AM   #3760
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That video by Veronica outlining how Justin would be hiding behind a screen mysteriously speaking into a lapel mic whilst watching the raw/no delay live stream is important imo

Wow, this is really ridiculous. Justin is in an isolated part of the room, by himself, with live access to hole cards, talking into a mic for basically the duration of the livestream. With that info, he wouldn't even need to do anything on his phone. Maybe he just pings him to read it with whatever app. There probably won't be much of a tech trail if that's all they're doing.
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Old 10-05-2019, 04:23 AM   #3761
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The RFID clearly misreads things sometimes, or displays the wrong thing. I dont think thats the important part. The improtant part is this:

Why would Mike Postle have informed Justin the 86o was wrong and he had 89ss?
- he would either need to be bragging to justin(who brags about playing the nuts like the nuts), or know the graphic was wrong? How could he know the graphic was wrong, or the rfid signal was wrong?

The only reasonable explanation is that Mike was watching stream, and saw the hand come up, and within the start of the hand to the correction, contacted JFK to let him know what his real hand was. But why would he care so much?

Has anybody looked at the 30 minutes after the hand to see if he is texting on his phone to JFK?

No matter what, at some point i the ~35 minutes after that hand, he had to be in contact with JFK. Anybody watch this with a close eye and pinpoint possible contact moments?
This is what I don’t understand....has anyone offered an explanation of this?
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Old 10-05-2019, 04:28 AM   #3762
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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https://www.twitch.tv/videos/381941687?t=8032s

Picture of mikes phone with apps. Zoom in. 2:13:52. Is that the same device found from joeys stream? What apps are on that phone. Im on mobile so i cant dissect and zoom currently. But that looks like his device he uses for sure. Is that a normal phone with normal apps?
unfortunately, "zoom and enhance" is not a thing in real life
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Old 10-05-2019, 04:35 AM   #3763
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Mike confirms in his interview at the end that his other 2 cards are KcTc. His opponent never shows but doesnt have a 10. Mike is so frustrated during the hand because he ONLY has access to 2/4 of his opponent's cards. He's legit pissed that he can't see all 4 lol. Look at how many times he looks at his phone during this hand. Just keeps checking to see if the stream is fixed. Does this 10 times in the hand. Finally calls river and his opponent mucks so we never see the other 2 cards.

Full Video https://youtu.be/mBTJkgd7YsQ?t=13544
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3:45:30 hand begins

Nice find, bourrc9.


Here is a GIF from the video. This is from 3:45:58 to 3:46:18:



First he slides back and looks down into his lap while pretending to be looking at his cards.

Then he immediately spreads and respreads his cards over the sensor for a few moments.

Then he slides back again and looks down into his lap again, this time not even bothering to hide what he's doing.


The best part of that is when he does the little mini-slam of the chips in his right hand onto the table in frustration at not being able to see all of the cards.

I recommend watching the video itself for better quality, this GIF starts at 3:45:58.
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Old 10-05-2019, 04:37 AM   #3764
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That video by Veronica outlining how Justin would be hiding behind a screen mysteriously speaking into a lapel mic whilst watching the raw/no delay live stream is important imo

There you go.
Justin sits behind that wall communicating the cards to Mike via the bluetooth bone conductor that is stuffed into his hat as Justin watches the stream without delay on his laptop. Or he texts him the cards and that is why Mike keeps looking down on his phone.
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Old 10-05-2019, 04:40 AM   #3765
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This hand is absolutely rediculous considering its a bomb pot. Noone in there right mind makes this move next to act on a flop like this. Its crazy. Did you guys see this one? By the way mike loses this hand but it doesnt matter and is not the point. Watch

https://youtu.be/PR6eMJZ3STk

40:40

Mike goes to addon chips at the 50 minute mark.

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Old 10-05-2019, 04:54 AM   #3766
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Nice finds GOMM

Casual bet/call the jam with T3 on T88Khhh on the turn in a bomb pot (just happens to be ahead somehow lol)
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Old 10-05-2019, 05:00 AM   #3767
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This hand is absolutely rediculous considering its a bomb pot. Noone in there right mind makes this move next to act on a flop like this. Its crazy. Did you guys see this one? By the way mike loses this hand but it doesnt matter and is not the point. Watch

https://youtu.be/PR6eMJZ3STk

40:40

Mike goes to addon chips at the 50 minute mark.
Haven't seen this one, lol what a joke hand unreal.
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Old 10-05-2019, 05:01 AM   #3768
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LOL, the bald commentator seems so uncomfortable with the call off and the scoop, why is he holding his hands up like he is frustrated. In so many Postle hands he is acting weirdly, he must have known or suspected something was very wrong. Even the way he says "NICE" is weird. Atleast the other commentator is legit surprised by the call off

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Old 10-05-2019, 05:01 AM   #3769
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Btw, why is it okay for Joey to play Mike the Mouth's podcast pretty much in real time on his own channel. I know you can use material to comment on it and he did but he pretty much played the whole thing, no? If so, folks would be playing each other's material all the time and just adding a few comments.
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Old 10-05-2019, 05:05 AM   #3770
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Has anyone found any suspicious hands from anyone else in the game? I have said it few times in this thread and doug polk brought it up in a video but theres a chance someone else could be cheating. I find it crazy to think someone who has been in poker this long is willing to cheat on live stream without making it look good. Wouldn't at some point it would cross his mind to add more players in the mix? Now lets assume those players have an iq past 1st grade well they will just look like a winning reg. I think theres 0 doubt hes cheating only ones who deny it are him and trolls. I think while everyones watching footage now we should be really looking at other suspicious hands. I don't want to turn this into a total witchhunt but there definitely could be another player or 2 in the mix. I would definitely look into anyone thats heroing mike insanely light to see if he is heroing correctly against others as well.
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Old 10-05-2019, 05:07 AM   #3771
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"Guys guys, I'm in for about an avg of 20-50k by the time a typical stream starts"

So, what he's saying is, he can only win during the stream. And he loses a lot when there's no stream. And he thinks that's a point in his favor?
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Old 10-05-2019, 05:10 AM   #3772
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Btw, why is it okay for Joey to play Mike the Mouth's podcast pretty much in real time on his own channel. I know you can use material to comment on it and he did but he pretty much played the whole thing, no? If so, folks would be playing each other's material all the time and just adding a few comments.
Matusow, and others, should also be allowed to commentate over/on Joey's material. It would be nice if everyone could do this sort of thing. Might be best to get permission first though, and if they use it against permission perhaps the Youtube or the platform in question can take it down on their own. I just don't think it should be illegal.
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Old 10-05-2019, 05:12 AM   #3773
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Nice finds GOMM

Casual bet/call the jam with T3 on T88Khhh on the turn in a bomb pot (just happens to be ahead somehow lol)
The commentators both agreed this hand was ludicrous. The guy with the beard I've seen call out the ridiculous lines before as well.

Postle just has the sickest live reads on all 7 opponents on the flop. It's probably like the judge's game scene in rounders where Mike knows everyone's exact hands just watching for a few seconds.
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Old 10-05-2019, 05:15 AM   #3774
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So, what he's saying is, he can only win during the stream. And he loses a lot when there's no stream. And he thinks that's a point in his favor?
Hahaha glorious
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Old 10-05-2019, 05:22 AM   #3775
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Has anyone found any suspicious hands from anyone else in the game? I have said it few times in this thread and doug polk brought it up in a video but theres a chance someone else could be cheating. I find it crazy to think someone who has been in poker this long is willing to cheat on live stream without making it look good. Wouldn't at some point it would cross his mind to add more players in the mix? Now lets assume those players have an iq past 1st grade well they will just look like a winning reg. I think theres 0 doubt hes cheating only ones who deny it are him and trolls. I think while everyones watching footage now we should be really looking at other suspicious hands. I don't want to turn this into a total witchhunt but there definitely could be another player or 2 in the mix. I would definitely look into anyone thats heroing mike insanely light to see if he is heroing correctly against others as well.
Or how about this theory?:

This isn’t even a real game. It’s purely a promotion for Stones poker and nothing else. Every player at the table is in on it and they’re just goofing around with play money.
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