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Old 10-02-2019, 04:22 PM   #1251
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It's funny you say that. I pretty much thought the same thing, prior to this cheating thing.



I played the 10/25/50 game with him, and he barreled into me a couple times with air, and I folded. I finally thought I had him dead to rights, when he check-raised shipped, I snapped turn with second pair. Ran into TPTK. Looking at the video he weirdly glanced down to the left before he made any decision to my aggression.



Or maybe I just punted, it wouldn't be the first time.

You would’ve profited in the long run calling like that though.

While playing with him was the consensus that he was just a luckbox or was it that he was this actual superior player?
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Old 10-02-2019, 04:24 PM   #1252
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You guys notice his hat is always bent on both sides to help cover his eyes when looking down? Also i wonder if he prefers a certain seat position to go undetected or if that doesnt matter. He cheats in the streams he wears the hat and doesnt cheat in the streams he has no hat and his phone is on the table.
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Old 10-02-2019, 04:24 PM   #1253
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Wait... I think the commentators are seeing the hands live. Don't streams usually have everything delayed to the commentators too? That is how they are doing live chats...
I know LATB the commentator is watching the same delay as chat. Once in awhile a player from table would come in booth before a hand happens on the stream.
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Old 10-02-2019, 04:26 PM   #1254
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Normally I don't enter myself into these sort of things, and I don't have any sort of social media to post this on, but this one bothered me. I have several friends that have played (and lost) on Stones in Postle games. I hadn't watched many Stones live streams before this - the few I watched were when a friend was playing. I had heard the jokes/rumors about Postle, but I always just brushed them off as he was just some whale/maniac/luck box. I had no idea how often he won big until this.

The chart below is work from me (2019) and a friend (who did the 2018 totals at the bottom). The bottom line?

+$253,300 in 277 hours of play, winning in 62/69 sessions. This was over roughly a year of streams (not sure exactly where they started in 2018).

https://ibb.co/kmVwv8t
Sorry, it wouldn't load the picture in the forum properly.

This does not include any mixed games, sit-n-gos, tournaments, etc. There is a possibility I missed a stream or two - if I did it was certainly not intentional.

How did we do this? I won't speak for my friend, but I think we used a similar strategy. Essentially I would open a stream, see if Postle was playing, and look for his earliest listed/visible chip stack. That is his buy-in column. From there, I would fast forward a few minutes at a time.

Any time Postle was in a hand, or his chip stack deviated more than a few hundred dollars, I would look to see why. Sometimes he would win pots. Sometimes he would lose. Sometimes he would add-on - these add-ons were the hardest part, as the camera didn't always show when the chip runner delivering the chips. The match-the-stack element of the game allowed the game to become big quickly. Looking for swings in chip stacks - either Postle's or another players - was reason to look deeper.

In some cases (like the 1/12/2019 game, the one Joey Ingram was livestreaming and commenting on last night) Postle has such a huge chip lead, it was easy to just skip ahead in the stream and watch his chip stack grow. He couldn't add-on (no need to, and he was the stack), and no one was attempting to match him. His chip stack would just keep climbing.

Some streams (like the one above) didn't take long for the reasons I mentioned above - maybe 15 minutes. Others took longer since he was up and down in chips, he added on, or his chip stack jumped but no obvious pot won was found. This was simply a task of looking for deviations in chip stacks and seeing if it was from winning/losing or from something else. After getting the hang of it a few streams in, the process was usually very quick.

Discrepancies: Is this 100% accurate? No, I know this isn't 100% correct. Am I confident it's 95% accurate? Yes. Many streams there was little doubt what was going on. He would buy-in for an amount, win some pots with no major loses, and his final streamed chip stack was recorded. Not much room for error in at least half of these streams, probably more like 2/3 of all streams.

Hours played: This is a rough guess, but I imagine it is still fairly accurate. Basically if the YouTube stream was 4:XX, I listed it as a 4 hour session. Stones has anywhere from 0-20 minute intro, as well as a several minute marbles outro. So a 4:05 stream is probably something like 3:30-3:45, while a 4:55 stream is more like 4:25-4:40. I figure this averaged out in the long run. If you want to give him the benefit of the doubt, add a half hour for each session, but I imagine 277 hours played is pretty close to reality.

Blind Structure: This may be off. I generally used whatever the stream listed. I don't think this is super important because the 1/2/3 (listed as 1/3) usually played more like a 5/5, plus the match-the-stack element of the game made most of them play big. Once I entered this I generally ignored it, so I imagine it's not 100%.

There are several sessions in which strange things happened with the chip stacks (some highlighted in yellow, I started doing this closer to the end of this project). Basically, something odd happened and I never knew 100% what was going on. This could be inconsistent chip counts on screen, money being added-on but not caught on stream, or something like that. A few cases, he would stack a player whose chip stack was listed at $1,000, but the stack on the table was clearly more by several hundred. In these cases, if I was unsure, I always made these out to be chip add-ons. I ALWAYS ERRED ON THE HIGH SIDE, the side that looks better for Postle. If anything, I think his total buy-ins are less than what I have listed. But if you want to give him more benefit of the doubt, add $10-15k to his buy-ins (as well as 30 hours to his play time).

Take this information however you want to. I'm just adding information for those out there looking, and I know people have asked/guessed to his winnings over the past year or so. I'll try to read and answer questions people have.
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Old 10-02-2019, 04:27 PM   #1255
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**** THE JUSTIN & MIKE LIVESTREAM ANALYSIS***

Alright bros, Mike is cooked, he is done. This Justin guy however, is not. And Im here to make it worse for him. Below is an update to a former post I made just to give the complete breakdown. What I have below is showing that when Justin is on camera, Mike is not godmoding, so on top of the Vegas controversy we also have this. (Edit: Some people in the comments are thinking this means I think this vindicates Justin, I mean the exact opposite).

Im sifting through the Stones Live Poker YouTube here for a stream where he is commentating and MP is playing (first one I found is ALL the way back in May 6th- he hasnt been commentating with Mike at the table since then which is pretty weird because he commentates very regularly but NOT when Mike is playing).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBTJkgd7YsQ

This was what I was looking for, and I went through 5 f*cking hours of streams so someone better read this:
(i) shady sh*t coming from the booth when Justin is commentating---> None, I looked for
(ii) Mike Godmoding any hands (or rather, if he isnt!)---> Zero Godmode plays in fact if anything a lot of tentative play. Very mortal.
(iii) Any Mike Crotch sniffing (or the lack thereof)---> Outcome: There wasnt any.

Here is the play-by-play:

HAND 1: Mike has a boat and his opponents have total air in PLO. He turned bottom boat and checked back turn for pot control. Then river, Mike BETS FOR VALUE with opponents having J high and K high respectively. AKA human play. Also no crotch sniffing.
https://youtu.be/mBTJkgd7YsQ?t=1559

WTF THE F*CKING CROTCH PHONE IS NOT IN PLAY RIGHT NOW AND JUSTIN IS COMMENTATING!!

UPDATE 2: Justin confirms when he is gone to Vegas May 25th to July 16th
https://youtu.be/mBTJkgd7YsQ?t=2832

Hand 2: Mike incorrectly bets a set into a flush and a made low in PLO HiLo so Mike has the worst equity in this hand and INCORRECTLY CALLS ON THE RIVER. THIS MAN IS HUMAN ALL OF A SUDDEN.
https://youtu.be/mBTJkgd7YsQ?t=2908


HAND 3: F*CK ME THIS IS SO DAMNING. MIKE FOLDS THE CHOP! STRAIGHT UP on the TURN. JUSTIN IS COMMENTATING ONSCREEN.


https://youtu.be/mBTJkgd7YsQ?t=3211

HAND 4: Postle LOSES 1k chasing an openender into an overpair and rivered set. Postle Rebuys for 1.3k. Not a CROTCH in sight. This guy is FULLY MORTAL right now. https://youtu.be/mBTJkgd7YsQ?t=4482

HANDS 5&6: Mike wins both of these with effective coolers (for these games) having two pair vs TPGK both times. Very legitimate hands. Of note he goes for a reasonable minimum raise sizing on river rather than some massive jam that he would do if he knew he had his opponent coolered in godmode, but opponent folds anyway.
https://youtu.be/mBTJkgd7YsQ?t=4947

HAND 7: Mike folds 30% equity on the flop with a pair and a gutshot. Very unPostle-like. https://youtu.be/mBTJkgd7YsQ?t=5735

HAND 8: Another hand where mike makes the wrong river call. 10 bucks for me Mike (per twitter). https://youtu.be/mBTJkgd7YsQ?t=7393

CONVERSATION INTERLUDE: Justin starts harping on about how Mike is very good at understanding human behaviour and is excellent at putting people on hand ranges. In fact throughout this entire stream he is constantly referring to Mike with overwhelming superlatives- "honestly just a really nice person and an overall good guy all round" "phenomenal reads" "plays he makes are just from another freaking planet"
https://youtu.be/mBTJkgd7YsQ?t=8108

ANOTHER EVENT: In fact after mike spends some time away from the table seemingly talking to somebody, he is so confident in his plays that he has cured his apparent ADD and the phone goes in the front pocket.


Hand 9: Interesting hand here our boy has BET INTO A SET with middle pair. https://youtu.be/mBTJkgd7YsQ?t=8591

Hand 10: Our boy folds to an 8 high semibluff https://youtu.be/mBTJkgd7YsQ?t=9502

Phone Update: This is weird because either he took it out of his top pocket without me seeing (even though there appears to be an outline of it in his top pocket) or this guy has two phones. Could mean absolutely nothing but Im just following that phone at all times. He probably just took it out off-camera.


HAND 11: POSTLE DOUBLE BARRELS INTO TOP PAIR on flop with air. (also squeezed with K6o into JJ in the Big Blind here). Gives up on river. Justin notes that this line is "super rare" for him to give up on the river.


https://youtu.be/mBTJkgd7YsQ?t=13187


Hand 12: POSTLE DOUBLE BARRELS INTO A SET.

https://youtu.be/mBTJkgd7YsQ?t=13410

HAND 13: He wins a decent sized pot paying off the river with a small boat vs a bluff which interestingly he does not re-raise the river with. No Godmode here.

Overall Mike was up small this session, and legitimately, there were just some big pots that went his way. In fact had he lost that last hand where he was pretty unhappy calling off the river, hed have been down. The biggest takeaways were Justin constantly lashing superlatives everytime he gets the chance with Mike. Justin is in view of the camera the entire time and Mikes phone is away for the vast majority of the stream. Also Justin confirms how long he is gone to Vegas for between May 25th and July 16th- just for timeline purposes.

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Old 10-02-2019, 04:27 PM   #1256
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My friend is the biggest winner at the casino's nl game, fwiw. My post was merely pointing out that individual hands of unorthodox play don't mean much. It's when you look at the totality of hands where he's not losing stacks at similar frequencies as well that the likelihood of cheating goes way up. When you make lots of unorthodox plays, you will look like a superusing genius and complete idiot frequently. I laugh at my friends plays at least once or twice a session as he'll get stacked doing something laughably bad, but he's also picking up tons of pots that nobody else is either. Mike is 100% cheating, fwiw, because of the lack of him getting stacked frequently. I was saying that if Mike wasn't cheating, it should be absolutely trivial to find many many hands of him torching stacks with how aggressive he is. For example, my friend has folded KK preflop correctly to AA, as Mike has, but he's also got it allin with medium strength hands like TT/AQs to KK/AA frequently as well, which Mike doesn't seem to do that regularly. So looking at the highlight reel of hands that happened to work out amazingly is not super meaningful, as a lag's highlight reel is almost always going to look absurd.
i basically completely agree with this post and this is what i was saying earlier too. most of the hands BY THEMSELVES are barely suspicious, if at all (there are a few exceptions, of course). it's only combined with all of the other hands/lack of losing hands etc. that paint the whole picture. but people often, more so in the beginning, posted random hands that by themselves aren't "that" shocking
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Old 10-02-2019, 04:28 PM   #1257
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Wait... I think the commentators are seeing the hands live. Don't streams usually have everything delayed to the commentators too? That is how they are doing live chats...
How it should work, and how it works on other streams, is that the commentators are seeing the delayed feed. They are essentially commentating over the twitch feed, which is how they can interact with chat. The only people seeing a live feed are the people working in the production room where they put together the feed that then gets shown after a delay. I'm not sure how the Stones people are running it and haven't watched much of any stream with sound, but it would be very odd for the commentators to be seeing a live feed.
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Old 10-02-2019, 04:29 PM   #1258
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They are going live with their regular 5/5 NL stream tonight and just announced it on twitter. You have got to be kidding me.
Will there be commentator's tonight? What was the reason there wasn't on last nights stream?
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Old 10-02-2019, 04:29 PM   #1259
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hahahah this is ridiculous, what a blunder by Mike

this is probably the biggest proof of all, he is basically saying out loud that he knew what his opponent was holding
Why did the guy call the flop shove w/ 64 anyway? Was it a tiny amount relative to the pot?
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Old 10-02-2019, 04:29 PM   #1260
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They are going live with their regular 5/5 NL stream tonight and just announced it on twitter. You have got to be kidding me.
Will Mike Postle be playing ?
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Old 10-02-2019, 04:31 PM   #1261
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**** THE JUSTIN & MIKE LIVESTREAM ANALYSIS***

Alright bros, Mike is cooked, he is done. This Justin guy however, is not. Below is an update to a former post I made just to give the complete breakdown.
I think you are misinterpreting information. Mike not godmoding when Justin is in sight doesn't vindicate Justin, it makes things look worse for him.
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Old 10-02-2019, 04:33 PM   #1262
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HaloP1 - interesting but also doesn't mean Justin isn't involved. The form of cheating could be via teamviewer, which all he would need to do is to set up and let run.

Mike seems to know the EXACT holdings of everyone. I would think that this leans towards whatever the system being is that it is automated.

The timing of the Vegas trip and lack of Mike playing/losing, the 'investigation' and the seemingly very friendly nature between the 2 are very big red flags.
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Old 10-02-2019, 04:34 PM   #1263
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You guys notice his hat is always bent on both sides to help cover his eyes when looking down?
Yes and his left hand is always under the table when he's involved in a hand. Except when Justin was in Vegas, Mike's phone was in plain sight and coincidentally he wasn't god moding those sessions. The odds of Justin not being involved are pretty slim at this point.

Also anyone reviewing the streams should pay close attention to The Wolf and Harlan/HK.
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Old 10-02-2019, 04:34 PM   #1264
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So...........are we raiding the stream tonight ladies and gents?
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Old 10-02-2019, 04:35 PM   #1265
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Warning I'm 20% through the thread and posting what could be roaring hot takes.

The hands played/Joey on page 1 convinced me. But like...even if it didn't and you thought he was on the heater of a lifetime as a decent possibility ALONG with being a hand reading God, and a soul reading god, while simultaneously making fishy plays, why does he not play in other games? Why does he have his hand hidden next to his phallus with a cell phone in his lap? Who else does this? Why is he looking at said phone while developing near perfect soul reads on his opponents?

How is no one then staking him to the largest or if not semi largest games in the world. He is the best, no one could beat this guy! You've seen all the great plays he's made!

In addition it is odd the RFID would malfunction to give MIKE POSTLE specifically near nutted hands, which he then lays down, which he THEN convinces people were a RFID misread, when they probably haven't misread any near nutted hands by anyone else on the stream ever.
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Old 10-02-2019, 04:36 PM   #1266
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So...........are we raiding the stream tonight ladies and gents?


I got insta banned last night when I brought it up.. lol


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Old 10-02-2019, 04:36 PM   #1267
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So...........are we raiding the stream tonight ladies and gents?
The stream was raided last night, the mods were deleting about 10 posts a minute all night long. lol

At least on the Twitch stream, less modding on the YT stream it seemed.
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Old 10-02-2019, 04:37 PM   #1268
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I think you are misinterpreting information. Mike not godmoding when Justin is in sight doesn't vindicate Justin, it makes things look worse for him.
I know that. Im saying that Justin in sight is really BAD for him. This further adds fuel to the fire that he is involved that was the whole point of my post.
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Old 10-02-2019, 04:38 PM   #1269
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You would’ve profited in the long run calling like that though.

While playing with him was the consensus that he was just a luckbox or was it that he was this actual superior player?
Yeah, that was my thinking. Even before this scandal erupted I just figured I picked the wrong spot to bluff catch.

And in that game it was kinda hard to say. The lineup was very solid, and Berkey was there. I'm pretty sure Mike wasn't in the original line-up, but due to people dropping out he ended up in it.

I had played one previous stream with him, which was his game and those were all regulars. I'm just a guy who plays at Stones occasionally (or used to). I'd be really interested to hear what some of the actual regulars in his game have to say.
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Old 10-02-2019, 04:39 PM   #1270
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i basically completely agree with this post and this is what i was saying earlier too. most of the hands BY THEMSELVES are barely suspicious, if at all (there are a few exceptions, of course). it's only combined with all of the other hands/lack of losing hands etc. that paint the whole picture. but people often, more so in the beginning, posted random hands that by themselves aren't "that" shocking
hate to burst your bubble but what you are saying is both blatantly obvious and discussed ad nauseam in this thread. in a vacuum, any hand or even a session is explicable. everything together makes him either goat or superuser.
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Old 10-02-2019, 04:41 PM   #1271
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I know that. Im saying that Justin in sight is really BAD for him. This further adds fuel to the fire that he is involved that was the whole point of my post.
Sorry, I read the preamble to your post as you saying "Justin is innocent, here's why."

A question that needs to be answered is, when Mike IS godmoding, where is Justin? Is he in the casino? Is he in the production room? Maybe Veronica or some of the other commentators could answer that.
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Old 10-02-2019, 04:44 PM   #1272
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Sorry, I read the preamble to your post as you saying "Justin is innocent, here's why."

A question that needs to be answered is, when Mike IS godmoding, where is Justin? Is he in the casino? Is he in the production room? Maybe Veronica or some of the other commentators could answer that.
Yeah exactly my 5 hours of contribution to this is:
When Justin away in Vegas (25th May- 16th July)= Mike not Godmoding
When Justin in Plain Sight in the Commentary Booth= Mike Not Godmoding
Whenever Justin at the casino (but not seen)+ Mike at table= Mike Godmoding
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Old 10-02-2019, 04:45 PM   #1273
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100% agree. Each vid will be near 3GB in 720p. Might be difficult for one person to archive everything.

I made a spreadsheet for easy access to Postle streams, among other things. This is 2019 only, which is plenty of evidence. I am starting at the bottom of the list on working my way up.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...ZMA/edit#gid=0
Nice list. 2019 is a very good start. Downloading ~50 files is no big deal, even at 1 to 3GB a piece.
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Old 10-02-2019, 04:47 PM   #1274
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It’s pretty obvious occums razor that Justin is involved.. hope this can be proved of course


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Old 10-02-2019, 04:48 PM   #1275
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Why did the guy call the flop shove w/ 64 anyway? Was it a tiny amount relative to the pot?
he 3 bet to like 250 pre with a 1kish stack and aq back raised to 950 so pretty sure he was all in pre with it
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