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Old 10-05-2019, 05:28 AM   #3776
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Btw, why is it okay for Joey to play Mike the Mouth's podcast pretty much in real time on his own channel. I know you can use material to comment on it and he did but he pretty much played the whole thing, no? If so, folks would be playing each other's material all the time and just adding a few comments.
I sort of agree if it was anyone but joey or doug. Mike luckboxed to get the interview in the first place. Even then mike didn't take it serious. Joey and doug did all the ground work on this and without them them noone would care who mike postle is at all. I was really hoping that mike the mouth would have snuck joey on for end of interview as a suprise to ask real questions. Mike clearly did 0 prepwork for this at all. He could have atleast watched some of their videos or even just asked them for questions to ask. He asked about the 69 to 68 hand but didn't ask about the graphic change.
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Old 10-05-2019, 05:30 AM   #3777
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This hand is absolutely rediculous considering its a bomb pot. Noone in there right mind makes this move next to act on a flop like this. Its crazy. Did you guys see this one? By the way mike loses this hand but it doesnt matter and is not the point. Watch

https://youtu.be/PR6eMJZ3STk

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Mike goes to addon chips at the 50 minute mark.
The commentators on this hand get it spot on. The guy on the left says something like “sure he can have QJo here but for Mike to call off here he has to assume that’s the only hand he can have”’

It’s sort of like they are realising that he actually knows that’s what he’s got.
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Old 10-05-2019, 05:34 AM   #3778
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Btw, why is it okay for Joey to play Mike the Mouth's podcast pretty much in real time on his own channel. I know you can use material to comment on it and he did but he pretty much played the whole thing, no? If so, folks would be playing each other's material all the time and just adding a few comments.
Legit point, lets throw Joey under the bus.. even if true why write this **** i dont get it.
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Old 10-05-2019, 05:36 AM   #3779
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Gosh, you and most other viewers have totally missed how wrong Postle's defence is. He is saying the figures don't account for rebuys and add ons. And he is 100% right, they don't.

But what he covers up is they very accurately report how much he won or lost in the hands screened, which is irrespective of how much he started off with on the table.

So if I start off having $5000 on the table and win $12000 in the session, it is the SAME as having $5000 plus $5000 rebuys and winning $12000 in the session.

And any rebuys or add ons bought before screening would be minimal as he is such a winning player he hardly ever rebuys or adds on.

So the figure of $250K won still stands as an accurate figure of winnings, and any untelevised results are separate to that, so the focus needs to be on the proven televised play.
Thanks for this.

Postle's bogus excuse is predicated on him being a huge loser when there's no stream, and so he can't be superusing everyone's hole cards, and then a big winner when the stream is on. It's ironic that MikeP's very defense, the claim that he's not winning as much as people think, would in reality be still more evidence that he's tapping into the stream live to cheat.
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Old 10-05-2019, 05:39 AM   #3780
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Legit point, lets throw Joey under the bus.. even if true why write this **** i dont get it.
Yep joeys spent 4 days straight blowing this wide open and making sure everyones staying on this. Mike can't do 45 minutes of research to make sure he asks something relevant. The first part of that interview had literly 0 info other than him claiming he wins less than he actually does. We needed Joey to investigate Jeffery Epstein because that story died in news faster than he did irl.
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Old 10-05-2019, 05:42 AM   #3781
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Thanks for this.

Postle's bogus excuse is predicated on him being a huge loser when there's no stream, and so he can't be superusing everyone's hole cards, and then a big winner when the stream is on. It's ironic that MikeP's very defense, the claim that he's not winning as much as people think, would in reality be still more evidence that he's tapping into the stream live to cheat.
We really need to hear from people in the game is this is true. Is there a ton of action before the stream even starts and if so is Mike losing and also how is his play style? Everyone said second the stream is done Mike racks up so why would he play for a ton before? Its completely pointless if you can buy in for biggest stack at table as well.
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Old 10-05-2019, 05:43 AM   #3782
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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This hand is absolutely rediculous considering its a bomb pot. Noone in there right mind makes this move next to act on a flop like this. Its crazy. Did you guys see this one? By the way mike loses this hand but it doesnt matter and is not the point. Watch

https://youtu.be/PR6eMJZ3STk

40:40

Mike goes to addon chips at the 50 minute mark.
Good catch on this one. I love it that Vick gets there both times. On a bomb pot nonetheless. <3

This clip also has some good cap angles at 44:10-44:50. lol early Saturday morning and I'm talking about "cap angles" -- so just ignore the cap commentary if it's unhelpful.
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Old 10-05-2019, 05:46 AM   #3783
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

I saw the claim of he loses a lot off stream as the beginning of a different defense... all the money I stole from you guys is gone don’t even bother with legal action/trying to get restitution.
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:04 AM   #3784
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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It’s sort of like they are realising that he actually knows that’s what he’s got.
Everyone that has commentated on Stones Live has 2 options:
- come out now and publicly apologise, admit that you got caught up in the Mike hype, blatantly and constantly sucked Mike’s d***, but can look back and see how you were wrong and should have realised it at the time
- don’t do the above implying that you are complicit and should probably be investigated

Who’s to say the commentators did not each receive a little kickback from Mike and Justin?

The Stones Live commentary team should at a minimum be deeply ashamed of themselves.
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:04 AM   #3785
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Not a super huge hand but still a sick turn raise by mike with just a pair of 3s. Also listen to the commentators say “mike can change cards”, sarcastically lol. So hillarious. Like seriously has he ever been wrong in these spots? Like just one time be wrong...

https://youtu.be/PR6eMJZ3STk. 03:59:10
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:10 AM   #3786
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Not a super huge hand but still a sick turn raise by mike with just a pair of 3s. Also listen to the commentators say “mike can change cards”, sarcastically lol. So hillarious. Like seriously has he ever been wrong in these spots? Like just one time be wrong...

https://youtu.be/PR6eMJZ3STk. 03:59:10
He changed the title of the video recently
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:19 AM   #3787
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This is an insanely weird ass hand. The graphics are wrong from the start. We have hero calls. And we have mike still winning somehow at the end. O and by the way its a bomb pot as well with the usual god mode mike.

Edit: i think the start of the hand is weird because of a missdeal moments before.


https://youtu.be/PR6eMJZ3STk 04:01:30

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Old 10-05-2019, 06:22 AM   #3788
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Or how about this theory?:

This isn’t even a real game. It’s purely a promotion for Stones poker and nothing else. Every player at the table is in on it and they’re just goofing around with play money.
I suggested similar in post 558
"Wouldn't it be nice if the whole game was a set up, that they all knew it was fake and BS and they were just doing it to try to make the game more entertaining. Hell, it's so ridiculous I'm surprised they didn't already start a new poker boom based on white magic. "
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:25 AM   #3789
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiXGr92uQGU&t=265m20s

This hand is my favorite one. Watch Postle on the turn. He makes top two and the preflop three-bettor bets into him for the 2nd time. Dream spot to get value from AA/KK, but not for Postle! He has his palms up for the sigh call before he even sees the sizing.
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:29 AM   #3790
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I think the fact that Stones had all big names play over the last year like Berkey, Bart Hanson, Moneymaker, etc... is a way for stones to justify that Postle is the real deal and he really is a god. Because if he can beat those lineups he can beat anything.

This is what I believe Justin The tournament director is thinking.
I think you are giving them way too much credit for how deep they are taking this scam. At the end of the day the casino is running this stream **** to generate some sort of revenue and these idiots still need to do their job and fulfill that obligation.

Basically what I'm saying is this scam was so lazily and blatantly obvious they clearly just never expected to get caught. I mean like seriously the guy is looking at his phone in his lap the entire time in plain sight. These people are idiots.
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:34 AM   #3791
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiXGr92uQGU&t=265m20s

This hand is my favorite one. Watch Postle on the turn. He makes top two and the preflop three-bettor bets into him for the 2nd time. Dream spot to get value from AA/KK, but not for Postle! He has his palms up for the sigh call before he even sees the sizing.
lmao that's great. It's disturbing but also quite humorous when you realize how blatant this was the entire time. Imagine if this is going on somewhere with the scammers actually putting in the effort to hide it..
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:39 AM   #3792
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Mike can't be sober or do any research for his biggest interview for his podcast. Incredible
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The mouths behavior is beyond cringe. Jesus christ
This. Of all the people to get this interview it's the painfully stupid Mattusow, high on god knows what (note the jaw grinding), with his equally high wife/girlfriend shouting crap from off camera. A real ****-show and a complete embarrassment. His lack of prep, lack of knowledge, lack of professionalism... just lol.
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:40 AM   #3793
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Did anyone bring up, why Mike P always seem to be sitting on seat 2 or 8 at the table on the live streams, never the long side?

Should there not be some seating draw before the live stream? How does it work there?

Seat 2 or 8 prob best seat to hide stuff from other players and better angle for camera shots? Seat consitency plays more in the favor of a "set-up" than "nothing suspicious here" situation.
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:45 AM   #3794
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Non-denial denials is all i hear from him on Mike's podcast.
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:46 AM   #3795
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Did anyone bring up, why Mike P always seem to be sitting on seat 2 or 8 at the table on the live streams, never the long side?

Should there not be some seating draw before the live stream? How does it work there?

Seat 2 or 8 prob best seat to hide stuff from other players and better angle for camera shots? Seat consitency plays more in the favor of a "set-up" than "nothing suspicious here" situation.
I posted this earlier but deleted it since I didn't want more random posts about hat stuffing or whatever.

When I went on Stones they said the RFID reader in seat 2 was relatively unreliable. If you were superusing, it would make the most sense to take the seat with the least reliable reader.
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:46 AM   #3796
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Did anyone bring up, why Mike P always seem to be sitting on seat 2 or 8 at the table on the live streams, never the long side?

Should there not be some seating draw before the live stream? How does it work there?

Seat 2 or 8 prob best seat to hide stuff from other players and better angle for camera shots? Seat consitency plays more in the favor of a "set-up" than "nothing suspicious here" situation.
I don't know what post but seats were discussed and someone post a chart about it. Yes, there was mention of a particular seat or two having best cover from camera's.
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:47 AM   #3797
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiXGr92uQGU&t=265m20s

This hand is my favorite one. Watch Postle on the turn. He makes top two and the preflop three-bettor bets into him for the 2nd time. Dream spot to get value from AA/KK, but not for Postle! He has his palms up for the sigh call before he even sees the sizing.
He's so pissed to have turned top two. Spot on find.
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:47 AM   #3798
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Given that Mike stops cheating when Justin leaves for Vegas, and begins cheating again immediately after he returns, I assumed Mike needed Justin around in order to cheat. However, to my surprise, I found that Mike was still able to cheat while Justin was in the Bahamas on 1/7/19. It was at this point I began to suspect that a 3rd person was involved, but I was not sure who it was. There had been talk of this Taylor guy who had been involved in the changing of the graphics after some suspect hands, but I didn't see any concrete evidence that he was involved in the cheating. Then I started going through the stream on 3/16/19 in which Mike is cheating for the entire length of the session. Justin is in the commentary booth for the first 3:14:00 of the stream, at which point he is replaced by Taylor for the rest of the stream. Seems likely that Taylor was relaying information to Mike while Justin was in the booth, and then they switched roles for the last portion of the stream.
Taylor is in the booth for ~25 minutes. Between 3:44 and 4:09 you see the play when he couldn't be assisting mike (and Justin could) because he is commenting. In that time he doesn't win a single hand and makes no suspicious plays. Nothing that implicates Justin in this session, while it makes Taylor look very bad.

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I was watching a stream on 8/29/18 in which Justin was commentating. Throughout the whole episode, I didn't find a single example where I thought Mike was clearly cheating based on his play. I figured Justin would be in the booth for the entire stream, but to my surprise he dips out of the commentary booth from 3:22:00 to 3:48:00.
Justin leaves: https://youtu.be/GFQ531Y_KII?t=12120
Justin returns: https://youtu.be/GFQ531Y_KII?t=13680

I continued to watch the hands for anything suspicious, and something very interesting happens in a hand that takes place at the 3:54:00 mark (32 minutes after Justin leaves the commentary booth). Remember that the stream is on a 30-minute delay, meaning that in real time this hand actually occurs 2 minutes after Justin leaves the booth. Also keep in mind that I did not see any plays or mannerisms from Mike prior to this that indicated to me that he was cheating. Take note of how Mike presses down on his hat, points to his cards on the turn, and makes an incorrect value bet on the river because of RFID reader not picking up his opponent's cards (opponent has T9). Below is the link to the hand. Note - you may be confused watching this because Justin is in the commentary booth on the stream, but he was not in the booth 30 minutes before when the hand is actually taking place.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFQ5...utu.be&t=14040
I didn't see any cheating after that either. He touches his hat in sessions when he isn't cheating as well. Besides that this isn't the hat suspected to be sketchy (the Under Armour one). Why go through the hassle of preparing multiple hats if that's a method he used?

Also on 5/29/19 Taylor is commenting while Mike isn't playing. On 6/1/2019 Taylor is commenting as well and this happens to be the only day Mike doesn't wear his hat, besides seemingly not superusing. There is a 100% relation between Taylor commenting and Mike not superusing (with half an hour delay). There isn't a 100% relation between Justin being abroad or commenting and Mike not superusing.

Taylor is guilty and Justin is probably just a gullible guy unsuitable to run a pokerroom.

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Old 10-05-2019, 06:51 AM   #3799
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

I really want all 2 plus 2 investigators to look closely at this hand. Look at the pain on Mikes face when the 8 hits the turn screwing him over, look at the pain he is in before his opponent bets that turn.

I also need all 2 plus 2 investigators to look closely at mikes hair when he actually takes off the under armour hat (during the turn action). Isnt he missing alot of hair above that left ear where the bone conductor would sit? He never takes that hat off even for a second so its worth noting. Also isnt that a pretty sick fold? I wish the dude in the middle would have folded his Ace King so we could see the legend really shine on this one. Either way its a sick sick hand and i need all 2 plus 2ers on this case!


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Old 10-05-2019, 06:52 AM   #3800
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Plausible Deniability

This is all that Mike P needs, that Justin needs etc.

Screw the job, screw the poker in the future. We made more money than we could have going forward normally so those two are expendable. Justin will find another job, Mike may also be able to play else where.

No one has roughed up or made any player to "pay" in the past.

Kudos to all involved especially Joey.

It will be a grandkids story.

But I am afraid that is all it will ever amount to.

"I was on a good run".

All he needs to say...

I hope I'm wrong.

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