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Old 10-05-2019, 01:39 AM   #3676
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Joey getting roasted by Mikes girl lol
What did she say? I couldn't quite make it out.
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Old 10-05-2019, 01:41 AM   #3677
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What did she say? I couldn't quite make it out.
Basically just defending Mike's approach and yelling that Ingram hadn't listened to Part 2 yet.
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Old 10-05-2019, 01:41 AM   #3678
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Postle claimed to only won about half as much

So you only tied potripper. That sure helps your case.
its amazing he doesnt understand this
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Old 10-05-2019, 01:42 AM   #3679
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

After listening to Mike Matosow's part interview, it seems like Mike Postle has some legitimate points. The numbers weren't accurate, so he didn't win $250k. If he won significantly less than that, and if only certain hands were cherry picked to make him look bad, then he very well could be innocent. This whole thing is turning into a bit of a witch hunt...

He also said he's not greedy and giving money back at various points. That's something that can be fact checked.

Postle should certainly have a fair platform to defend himself, same as Justin.
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Old 10-05-2019, 01:43 AM   #3680
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Ban all devices, hats, keys and bracelets from live games. It's the only way.
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Old 10-05-2019, 01:43 AM   #3681
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After listening to Mike Matosow's part interview, it seems like Mike Postle has some legitimate points. The numbers weren't accurate, so he didn't win $250k. If he won significantly less than that, and if only certain hands were cherry picked to make him look bad, then he very well could be innocent. This whole thing is turning into a bit of a witch hunt...
certain hands aka 50+ hours of people watching hands he played and posting every single hand essentially?
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Old 10-05-2019, 01:44 AM   #3682
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Given your professional experience, what do you think? I.e. If the only evidence was the circumstantial stuff we currently know -- near-impossible winrate; hands played suspiciously, etc -- would that suffice for a prosecution?
No, you'd want more investigation first. But what we do know so far is almost certainly enough for any judge in the county to sign off on a search warrant for Mike's electronic devices, phone records, bank records, etc.

The DA's office doesn't generally jump in on it's own and file charges. They receive a report of a crime from a Law Enforcement or Administrative Agency that's done an investigation and is recommending prosecution. If such a report were submitted containing only the publicly-known facts at this point, the DA would tell them to go get more evidence. Interviews, search warrants, etc.



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Old 10-05-2019, 01:44 AM   #3683
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Full Video https://youtu.be/mBTJkgd7YsQ?t=13544
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3:45:30 hand begins
4:15:00-4:18:00 when Mike could watch the delayed stream on his phone
4:29:45 Mike enters the commentary booth and talks about the hand

Last it appears that his $250k in winnings ppl keep referencing from the data by JS84 doesn't include PLO or mixed games. I've started going through the non NLH streams to calculate his winnings here and it appears this number could be closer to $300k. I will post the full data for 2019 as soon as I'm done. I'm just spending a lot of time on each of these streams lol there is some interesting stuff and it's not as clear which sessions he is superusing in.

hes totally cheating in PLO too. hes doing the exact crotch stare and blatantly looking at his phone with both hands. in the middle of the hand he even tries to re spread out all 4 cards as if that would somehow help trigger more rfid.


he just happened to flop top and bottom and then turn a boat.
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Old 10-05-2019, 01:46 AM   #3684
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After listening to Mike Matosow's part interview, it seems like Mike Postle has some legitimate points. The numbers weren't accurate, so he didn't win $250k. If he won significantly less than that, and if only certain hands were cherry picked to make him look bad, then he very well could be innocent. This whole thing is turning into a bit of a witch hunt...

He also said he's not greedy and giving money back at various points. That's something that can be fact checked.

Postle should certainly have a fair platform to defend himself, same as Justin.
Even if you assume he only made half of what was originally thought, his rate is still far beyond what is within normal variance.
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Old 10-05-2019, 01:47 AM   #3685
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certain hands aka 50+ hours of people watching hands he played and posting every single hand essentially?
People who defend him and say this is a "witch hunt" clearly just don't care because they don't know how much is actually out there that makes him look awful.
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Old 10-05-2019, 01:47 AM   #3686
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

The idea that the numbers on screen are under reporting real stacks means he makes less money than 250k is silly. Its counter intuitive.

Two things:
A pot isnt all in: The system can easily track the bets and know exact pot change.
A pot is all in(which he wins majority of the time): he won MORE money than what the tracker says because the other persons stack is likely BIGGER than what the system assumed the all in was worth.


If the numbers are wrong in the way he says, postle makes more money than we assume.
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Old 10-05-2019, 01:47 AM   #3687
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I've been looking through some of the PLO/mixed games streams and found a pretty interesting hand where Mike essentially admits to cheating check this out. Theyre switching among NLH,PLO and 08 every orbit. This is the first hand of the PLO orbit after NLH. The graphics don't update to PLO though so they only pick of 2/4 hole cards.




Full Video https://youtu.be/mBTJkgd7YsQ?t=13544
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3:45:30 hand begins
4:15:00-4:18:00 when Mike could watch the delayed stream on his phone
4:29:45 Mike enters the commentary booth and talks about the hand

Last it appears that his $250k in winnings ppl keep referencing from the data by JS84 doesn't include PLO or mixed games. I've started going through the non NLH streams to calculate his winnings here and it appears this number could be closer to $300k. I will post the full data for 2019 as soon as I'm done. I'm just spending a lot of time on each of these streams lol there is some interesting stuff and it's not as clear which sessions he is superusing in.
WOW

everyone watch this.

Anotheer smoking gun
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Old 10-05-2019, 01:48 AM   #3688
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Matusow & Co were so wired, that was disturbing.
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Old 10-05-2019, 01:48 AM   #3689
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its amazing he doesnt understand this
Whats most insane is he was around and supposedly a crusher back then he would obviously know all about potripper and ub. So if he figures out how to cheat live and first think is well how did potripper get caught "o playing perfect i better make sure it looks good." No instead this grapefruit plays every hand and plays them perfect vs his opponents exact hands.
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Old 10-05-2019, 01:48 AM   #3690
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After listening to Mike Matosow's part interview, it seems like Mike Postle has some legitimate points. The numbers weren't accurate, so he didn't win $250k. If he won significantly less than that, and if only certain hands were cherry picked to make him look bad, then he very well could be innocent. This whole thing is turning into a bit of a witch hunt...

He also said he's not greedy and giving money back at various points. That's something that can be fact checked.

Postle should certainly have a fair platform to defend himself, same as Justin.
Is this a level?
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Old 10-05-2019, 01:49 AM   #3691
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Should have asked, does he record results, how many hours played of each limit and bb/hr results, etc. Didn't even ask that, most basic.
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Old 10-05-2019, 01:52 AM   #3692
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Should have asked, does he record results, how many hours played of each limit and bb/hr results, etc. Didn't even ask that, most basic.
He clearly wasn't prepared for it at all. He asks about the 96 hand but doesn't ask about the graphics change.
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Old 10-05-2019, 01:52 AM   #3693
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On Matusow's podcast, Postle mentioned not wanting attention, but others have claimed that he almost exclusively plays on stream. Is that latter claim true?
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Old 10-05-2019, 01:52 AM   #3694
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

in the mixed game video from may 6th 2019.

https://youtu.be/mBTJkgd7YsQ?t=15854


LOOK AT HIM, CLEARLY LOOKING AT HIS CROTCH MAD SUSPECT


THEN OBV BULLY BLUFF SHOVES THE RIVER
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Old 10-05-2019, 01:54 AM   #3695
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After listening to Mike Matosow's part interview, it seems like Mike Postle has some legitimate points. The numbers weren't accurate, so he didn't win $250k. If he won significantly less than that, and if only certain hands were cherry picked to make him look bad, then he very well could be innocent. This whole thing is turning into a bit of a witch hunt...

He also said he's not greedy and giving money back at various points. That's something that can be fact checked.

Postle should certainly have a fair platform to defend himself, same as Justin.
If you halve his winrate it is still potripper level. It is an u unprecedented level in an honest game.
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Old 10-05-2019, 01:54 AM   #3696
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The idea that the numbers on screen are under reporting real stacks means he makes less money than 250k is silly. Its counter intuitive.

Two things:
A pot isnt all in: The system can easily track the bets and know exact pot change.
A pot is all in(which he wins majority of the time): he won MORE money than what the tracker says because the other persons stack is likely BIGGER than what the system assumed the all in was worth.


If the numbers are wrong in the way he says, postle makes more money than we assume.
I agree and I think the $250k estimate was a conservative estimate in the first place.
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Old 10-05-2019, 01:56 AM   #3697
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Ban all devices, hats, keys and bracelets from live games. It's the only way.
What about hearing aids? My gf has them and they are barely noticeable and can be used like any bluetooth headphones to stream any audio. They are going to have to go oldschool and get rid of rfid if its hackable.
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Old 10-05-2019, 01:59 AM   #3698
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Closer up and better quality picture of the car keys.

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Old 10-05-2019, 02:00 AM   #3699
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I agree and I think the $250k estimate was a conservative estimate in the first place.
if we get super ****in nitty about all this lets only do his results from when hes in god mode. those sessions where hes not playing nl or not cheating really hurt his win rate a lot.
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:01 AM   #3700
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in the mixed game video from may 6th 2019.

https://youtu.be/mBTJkgd7YsQ?t=15854


LOOK AT HIM, CLEARLY LOOKING AT HIS CROTCH MAD SUSPECT


THEN OBV BULLY BLUFF SHOVES THE RIVER


this session isnt in this google worksheet, JFK in the booth

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=2044248290
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