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Again in the PLO hand, its so obvious that he knows that the table isn't picking up all 4 cards.

See how many times he spreads his card back and forth over the sensor.

How could he know the table is faulty during the hand.

This is it. Well done Bourrc!

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10-05-2019 , 02:46 AM

#3728

YeahYou

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Originally Posted by SootedPowa

Lol when he cant see all 4 cards in his opponents hand as the reader thinks its still NLHE his name on the leaderboard is "SMFC" (might stand for show me four cards). Even tells the commentator he's sending messages via his name.

Can we stop. He's clearly cheating however Joey tonight has been on a strict witch hunt. He is taking things way out of context and trying to find hidden meanings behind everything. One example of this is he asked at least 6 times what does he mean by he was asleep for one third of the game? Clearly Mike meant he doesn't like o8 and because it was a 3 game mix he was asleep one third of the time.

I love Joey and think he has done an amazing job. I just think he and a lot of others are reading into things too much and trying to find a hidden meaning in every little detail.

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10-05-2019 , 02:47 AM

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SootedPowa

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Originally Posted by HarryKane09

He gets so visibly frustrated with the situation as well it's hilarious. OMG I CANT SEE ALL THE CARDS WTF AM I SUPPOSED TO DO

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10-05-2019 , 02:48 AM

#3730

YeahYou

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Originally Posted by HarryKane09

His opponent does this too. Is it possible production told the dealer to tell them to spread their cards because they knew it was PLO?

I hope we can see an angle where the camera is on the dealer and he doesn't tell them to do that because I do think this is some of the best evidence we have.

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10-05-2019 , 02:49 AM

#3731

The Bukafax

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Im shocked nobody has picked up on this.

When he gets in the booth the first thing he says is "What happened with that Omaha hand showing only 2 cards" He then states he knew the guy had the nut flush draw too. This means he would have either been told what was happening for that hand or he was able to watch it in the booth.

If he was able to watch it in the booth he would have seen his name. This means he wouldnt have been shocked by his name because he would have known during the viewing of said hand.

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10-05-2019 , 02:49 AM

#3732

TwitchySeal

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Originally Posted by 27AllIn

He also said he's not greedy and giving money back at various points. That's something that can be fact checked.

If you really think the fact that he gives money back is relevant, it's entirely possible he's doing it out of guilt. Imagine cheating your friends out of so much money 3 times a week for 2 years.

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10-05-2019 , 02:50 AM

#3733

YeahYou

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Another example where people are reading too much into things is the fact that after the PLO hand Mike goes into the commentary booth and asks why they only saw 2 cards. Yes this is damning but it's not a smoking gun like everyone is saying. He can just say his friend sometimes texts him hands like a lot of people who play on streamed games and told him about this. It's way after 30 minutes.

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10-05-2019 , 02:50 AM

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DK Barrel

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Originally Posted by 27AllIn

After listening to Mike Matosow's part interview, it seems like Mike Postle has some legitimate points. The numbers weren't accurate, so he didn't win $250k. If he won significantly less than that, and if only certain hands were cherry picked to make him look bad, then he very well could be innocent. This whole thing is turning into a bit of a witch hunt...

He also said he's not greedy and giving money back at various points. That's something that can be fact checked.

Postle should certainly have a fair platform to defend himself, same as Justin.

It's not a cherry-picked sample. We are looking at every hand he played on stream over a span of 14 months, which includes several sessions where he is not suspected of god-moding. Even with those sessions, his results are orders of magnitude beyond possibility.

js84, who compiled the 250k number said they erred on the low side, it's possible the actual total is higher. Here is the data again: https://ibb.co/kmVwv8t

I presume someone as serious about poker as Mike Postle keeps records, so it would be easy for him to dispute any individual sessions that are way off (because js84 broke it down by session). Then people can rewatch the stream to get the accurate total.

Last edited by DK Barrel; 10-05-2019 at 02:54 AM. Reason: credit to js84 -- thanks for doing the legwork

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10-05-2019 , 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Grind On My Mind

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/381941687?t=8032s

Picture of mikes phone with apps. Zoom in. 2:13:52. Is that the same device found from joeys stream? What apps are on that phone. Im on mobile so i cant dissect and zoom currently. But that looks like his device he uses for sure. Is that a normal phone with normal apps?

Watch this Joey

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10-05-2019 , 02:52 AM

#3736

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Can somebody explain what I'm missing regarding the plo hand?
Seeing as he was gone from the table 30 minutes later, that could have been when he "watched the stream" before going on commentary and talking about the graphics error.

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10-05-2019 , 02:53 AM

#3737

YeahYou

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Originally Posted by YGOchamp

You're not missing anything. Thank God someone else said this I feel like I'm going crazy over here.

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10-05-2019 , 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by YGOchamp

If he watched the stream to see that error he would have known his name. He then becomes amused when he realizes what his name is when hes in the booth. So clearly he was told by somebody of this error, he didnt watch it.

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10-05-2019 , 02:56 AM

#3739

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Justin saying kinda fun to play not knowing what the other 2 cards are is the most damning evidence there is. Unless he meant "play along" like the commentators are playing along with the players.

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10-05-2019 , 02:56 AM

#3740

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Seeing all the evidence pile up against Mike what can actually be proven to show he cheated, Phone records? Another whistle blower? If we are waiting for them to fess up i doubt that will ever happen.

Esp if the people doing the real investigating have no idea how poker is played

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10-05-2019 , 02:58 AM

#3741

YGOchamp

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Originally Posted by YeahYou

You're not missing anything. Thank God someone else said this I feel like I'm going crazy over here.

I spent 15 minutes confused as **** man

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10-05-2019 , 03:01 AM

#3742

exoendo

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Originally Posted by bourrc9

4:15:00-4:18:00 when Mike could watch the delayed stream on his phone

you are obv right, but his defense would be he decided to watch the stream at 4:16 while away from the table.

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10-05-2019 , 03:02 AM

#3743

88keyz

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Originally Posted by YeahYou

I love Joey and think he has done an amazing job. I just think he and a lot of others are reading into things too much and trying to find a hidden meaning in every little detail.

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10-05-2019 , 03:02 AM

#3744

msmalls82

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Originally Posted by HarryKane09

This is epic.

Make sure you watch this.

Joey going thru it on stream now.

This tells me Postle had to make a difficult call not knowing he had the best hand as opponent possibly has A10 (since only the Ac was shown). Graphics show the check mark next to opponents name but Postle HAS TO CALL with a BOAT or it would look terrible. He was obviously not happy to make this call, right?

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10-05-2019 , 03:09 AM

#3745

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Originally Posted by 88keyz

Yes. His name on the stream is SMFC. Reading into that as him sending messages to mean show me four cards is absurd. Not only would they have to have a predetermined shorthand for the 1 out of 1000 times that a PLO hand doesn't show 4 cards on the 1 out of 10 or however many streams they play PLO but also when he messages whoever he's messaging somehow it also changes his name on stream. You don't think this is reading too much into things?

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10-05-2019 , 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by YeahYou

Last edited by SootedPowa; 10-05-2019 at 03:11 AM. Reason: SHOW ME FOUR CARDS

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10-05-2019 , 03:10 AM

#3747

YeahYou

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Originally Posted by msmalls82

It shows the check mark for who's winning with the 2 cards that are known for each player ie a6 beats Mike's 4x

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10-05-2019 , 03:10 AM

#3748

bourrc9

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Yeah I tried to make this clear in my original post. It is possible he watched the delayed stream before going to the booth and someone in the chat mentioned they may have it on tvs next to the table. Just strikes me as odd given the circumstances of the hand, that he would care about watching the stream on delay unless he knew in real time it was only picking up 2 cards and maybe was watching to see if his live feed was the same as the twitch stream.

Also his name SMFC has nothing to do with anything tough to see so many ppl looking into everything on Joeys chat lol.

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10-05-2019 , 03:14 AM

#3749

YeahYou

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Originally Posted by bourrc9

Agree with everything you said. This hand is amazing evidence. People going off the rails in Joey's chat are making him look at things that don't matter and is taking up his time for no reason.

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10-05-2019 , 03:28 AM

#3750

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Mike knows SS has Ac6cxx but he could have A6Tx given the turn action - Mike leads turn when T pairs and gets raised by SS.

Mike is visibly pained having to make the call with T4xx. The god of poker who jams regularly with 9 high and 3rd pair, yet is pained having to call with a boat.

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