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Old 10-08-2019, 04:55 PM   #6251
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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I think that this hand actually helps to clear JFK. Unlike the other 86 hand, where Taylor is able to correct the error in real-time, JFK corrects the error after the fact, and only after talking to Postle.

The hand in question ends at 21:40 where it looks super odd that Mike just calls with 88 against TT on a 99T8x board. The commentators are befuddled and then at 25:00 JFK posts that he actually had 87. If you watch the live feed 30 minutes later, you see right around 54:30 that someone talks to Mike for about 20 seconds and then walks back behind the wall right before 55:00. This is almost certainly JFK as the time lines up with the 30 minute delay for his post correcting Mike's hand.

Thus, unlike Taylor, JFK does not appear to be seeing any additional data that would allow him to correct the misread cards in real-time, but rather relies on Postle to tell him he didn't have 88.
This does not exonerate Justin, you're just pointing out a possible theory of why this incident doesn't implicate him.
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Old 10-08-2019, 04:55 PM   #6252
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How many people have filed a IRS report on him so far? I am planning to file next week.
How can this possibly be in good faith? You have no idea what he reported. You have no idea what his winnings and losses are in other forms of gambling. Maybe he won $250k at poker and lost $300k betting sports.
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Old 10-08-2019, 04:56 PM   #6253
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https://documentcloud.adobe.com/link...e-dc7d1610c53b

Mac VerStandig shared this. Interesting that Kasey Lyn Mills is there; the commentator that many thought was in on it. Surely if she was she wouldn't file against them
This seems to warrant a **** just got real reaction ...

Clearly, nothing may come of it, but it does mean the legal gears are officially engaged ...
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Old 10-08-2019, 04:58 PM   #6254
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:00 PM   #6255
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Mac VerStandig shared this. Interesting that Kasey Lyn Mills is there; the commentator that many thought was in on it. Surely if she was she wouldn't file against them
Seems like the full time players here lose sight of what it is to have a job, maybe even dependents.

"Something is wrong here, **** this I'm out"

Is that what's expected? Cos the real world don't work like that.

No. You're going to get what we saw. Cringe and side looks and tension you can stick a fork in.

Because you need this gig.

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Old 10-08-2019, 05:00 PM   #6256
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Right now Mike must be thinking...

''omg I hope they do not find that moment of relapse I had at 22:42 on 11/03/2018''
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:01 PM   #6257
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Currently watching the entire stream with JJ/J4 hand to see if a jack was changed to a 4 at any point prior.

Here's a quote from the chat 31 minutes in:

31:10

travgee:graphics guy is really dropping the ball tonight lol



Foreshadowing??? lol
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:01 PM   #6258
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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https://documentcloud.adobe.com/link...e-dc7d1610c53b

Mac VerStandig shared this. Interesting that Kasey Lyn Mills is there; the commentator that many thought was in on it. Surely if she was she wouldn't file against them
Here we go!!
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:02 PM   #6259
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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https://documentcloud.adobe.com/link...e-dc7d1610c53b

Mac VerStandig shared this. Interesting that Kasey Lyn Mills is there; the commentator that many thought was in on it. Surely if she was she wouldn't file against them
question for legal minds here.

$10,000,000 in punitive?? Is this just a throw the kitchen sink at them thing or is there any precedence for this huge number?

also, I'll assume Postal has limited funds. Stones owners obv have funds. If there is ultimately a judgment (of any amount) for plaintiffs how is each defendants share of the liability calculated?
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:04 PM   #6260
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

This was always gonna happen. Lot naivety in this thread re how the law works...which is pretty common given the demographics of poker forums.
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:05 PM   #6261
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Currently watching the entire stream with JJ/J4 hand to see if a jack was changed to a 4 at any point prior.

Here's a quote from the chat 31 minutes in:

31:10

travgee:graphics guy is really dropping the ball tonight lol



Foreshadowing??? lol
Thx let us know what you find
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:06 PM   #6262
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Okay this J4 hand is really effing weird.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/306445878?t=5300s

At 1:30:05 the guy commentator turns his around as if someone is speaking to him. Then tells the viewers "Oh, the booth is confirming, Taylor says it's actually jack jack" It definitely looks like he hears this message in person as opposed to headset, or something else. I then fast forwarded 28-32 minutes forward to see what happened near the table 30 minutes after the hand took place. I was trying to see any sign of Taylor walking out of the desk near the poker table to place him there and confirm he walked over to the commentators to tell them about the hand. However, it appears Justin was actually the one to walk over to the commentators and relay them the message.



I've added two arrows to the above graphic. There are two walkways leaving the room, I believe one is the entrance to Justin's desk and the other is for a bathroom or smoking area as people go in and out of it throughout the stream.I can't find a date for this video but thought it was in the fall of last year? However, the curtain between the poker table and Justin's desk is not up. Anyway you get a better glimpse of what's back there.

1:57:20 (note this is about 3 minutes before the commentators receive the message that the guy had JJ not J4). You see Justin walking outside his office over to some other tables. You can identify him by his shoes and jeans.
1:58:10 Justin standing next to Mike at the table, casually chatting with some players, including Mike and on his phone. I assumed he is watching the delayed twitch stream and waiting for the J4 hand so he can walk over to the commentators.
1:59:30 he leaves the table and walks over to the door of his office, looks in and then turns around.
1:59:47 he is cut off the screen walking towards the commentators booth. Note the timestamp above, this would be 18 seconds before the commentators receive the message assuming exactly a 30 minute delay.
2:01:08 he is shown back in the top left of the screen returning from wherever he was, presumably the commentators booth. This would be one minute after the commentators received the message.

This timeline is too perfect, it can't be a coincidence. I'm almost certain Justin walked over to the booth and told the two commentators "Taylor said he actually he had jack jack." What does this mean? I'm not sure exactly. At the very least, it places Taylor and Justin in communication during the stream. I think they are sitting right next to each other in Justin's office with the live production on one computer and the twitch stream on the other.
I think everyone is misunderstanding the actual setup. Here is a photo for better understanding. The "stones live" area is split into two rooms, that's why the commentators always look over their shoulder behind them when "Taylor" tells them about cards being misread. The "desk" Veronica talked about is simply just a desk setup for tournaments. She was refencing that Justin stood there watching the stream on his laptop. No actual "production" is happening there as it is not enclosed and out in the open.

Also please note after Mike folds the "10,10" he looks over into the direction of the booth. Almost to say "hey, i'm not getting any updates." I think he folded the winner. The player "Joe" is a tight player and bet 305 into a 330 pot. Look at Mikes face when he looks at the booth after the hand, he looks unhappy. -Just my take.

I hope this clears up everyone's understanding of how the booth is setup.
[IMG]pic.twitter.com/d3roZ6U90G[/IMG]

*EDIT: Im new and dumb and I don't know how to upload the image... lol

the room is split into two like this:

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https://twitter.com/jtgenterprises/status/1180580614740664320?s=19

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Old 10-08-2019, 05:07 PM   #6263
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Boski an Jaman are listed.
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:08 PM   #6264
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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The twitter statement about it:

"Earlier this year an accusation was made that a player was cheating in our game

We conducted a full investigation & found no evidence that any cheating had occurred

Stones Live stream remains a secure poker streaming platform

The recent allegations are completely fabricated"



Sure lol , Most people who take this line of approach are up to no good
If this guy is innocent somehow he needs to look for another job, seriously

such a terrible statement one way or another
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:09 PM   #6265
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https://documentcloud.adobe.com/link...e-dc7d1610c53b

Mac VerStandig shared this. Interesting that Kasey Lyn Mills is there; the commentator that many thought was in on it. Surely if she was she wouldn't file against them
1. They say they know who the co-conspirator is, a person who is apparently not Kuraitis, and they sent a litigation hold letter to that person although they aren't ready to name him or her. Interesting.

2. There are a few causes of action here that are vulnerable to defense attacks.

For instance, to allege fraud, you have to allege specific statements that Postle made that the other poker players relied on in deciding to enter the game. This isn't close to being properly alleged here. (On the other hand, the fraud claim based on the phony internal investigation may be actionable.)

Similarly, you can't make a negligent misrepresentation claim based on what the Commentators said- nobody was relying on the Commentators' statements in deciding whether to enter the game.

3. Why didn't they plead conversion? Statutory negligence based on the California cheating statute?

This complaint could have been a little better with a few days work. I wonder if they just wanted to get in as soon as possible without really filing the best papers they could, and will seek to amend it later.
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:11 PM   #6266
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question for legal minds here.

$10,000,000 in punitive?? Is this just a throw the kitchen sink at them thing or is there any precedence for this huge number?

also, I'll assume Postal has limited funds. Stones owners obv have funds. If there is ultimately a judgment (of any amount) for plaintiffs how is each defendants share of the liability calculated?
Under State Farm v. Campbell, a $10 million punitive award is unconstitutional here. They said that to get some press. Judges never sanction plaintiffs for this sort of thing, which is why plaintiffs' lawyers do it.
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:13 PM   #6267
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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https://documentcloud.adobe.com/link...e-dc7d1610c53b

Mac VerStandig shared this. Interesting that Kasey Lyn Mills is there; the commentator that many thought was in on it. Surely if she was she wouldn't file against them
Is the Kelly Minkin (Attorney listed) the poker player? Didn't know she was an attorney.
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:14 PM   #6268
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Just went from 10 to 100 real quick. I think the community has done their job and now is time for the heavy hands to take over this investigation. Good job to all!
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:16 PM   #6269
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I hadn't seen this mentioned before so wanted to present this possibility on the J4/JJ hand



At 1:28:56 Seat 7 Stephen(in what's normally the 8 seat) quickly folds his cards and we are unable to see what they were(Seat 5 and 6 can be seen at .25 speed to fold garbage) - Seat 8 Joe(in what's normally the 9 seat) has "J4" but it is possible that the reader picked up the 4s that was intended for Stephen when the dealer turned to pitch/they did one of those 'which card is mine' thingies (I looked earlier during the deal and at that point the chip stack graphic is up so you can't see). So just wanted to mention it is possible that the missing jack is in Stephen's hand since we never saw what it was. This would also account for the cheaters knowing the cards in real time/being able to deduce what must have happened since J4 wouldn't be continuing in the hand and they may have ran into that error before with seats next to each other. If I was cheating like him I would go all the way and definitely have the ability to see discards if I needed to throughout hands. Perhaps Mike just tries to keep the looking to a minimum and does it postflop while the acoomplice can keep in touch with relevant preflop info/discards and text as needed.

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Old 10-08-2019, 05:17 PM   #6270
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Is the Kelly Minkin (Attorney listed) the poker player? Didn't know she was an attorney.
They listed a lot of attorneys of record (it was almost certainly drafted by Verstandig and his (unnamed) associates, with minimal input from the other lawyers), which also corroborates the theory that this is litigation-by-press release.
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:18 PM   #6271
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Is the Kelly Minkin (Attorney listed) the poker player? Didn't know she was an attorney.
yes, and also Jamie Kerstetner
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:20 PM   #6272
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

I've seen some hands where the holecards show as blanks, and other times where they stay as whatever cards were dealt to that seat (or the one next to it) in the previous hand (the "persistency error"). With the mysterious J4/JJ thing, the 4 of spades was folded by Jim in the previous hand, but he's sitting on the other side of the table from Joe, who is assigned Jd4s when Postle has TT. So I can't explain how the 4s gets assigned to Joe, when he actually has JJ. [EDIT: AmazinErvin mentions another player's holecards never even making it to the screen, he folded so quickly. I've also seen that happen on other hands where errors showed up.]

Can someone with experience of the RFID/Gfx software tell me: If the holecards aren't scanned properly, and/or there is a persistency error, does the software actually show an error message, or some kind of notification?
I mean, would the software say: "Seat 9: Jd 4s??" as an indication that a producer needs to go and have a word with the dealer, and/or reset the table's software? Similarly, if one card fails to scan, does the software highlight the failure in some way?
(I vaguely recall Berkey saying that you get a green light on the screen when the holecards have been successfully decoded).
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:21 PM   #6273
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Seeing as the SMFC stream is probably the most suspicious stream we have to work with in regards to who mikes accomplice(s) are, to those of you un aware the SMFC stream is a PLO stream where mike was cheating and was having trouble seeing all 4 cards.

For further explanation see this post from Joey:
https://twitter.com/Joeingram1/statu...52812255891456



I decided to watch some of the stream using Viewsync. Most, if not all of the streams should be running on a 30 minute time delay so I think to get the best out of it, it makes sense to do this.


After doing this for only 30 minutes or so here are my findings so far:
Link:https://viewsync.net/watch?v=mBTJkgd...autoplay=false

The timestamps below refer to the stream on the left side which correlates to the action taking place on the right side and seems to match up perfectly. Use the blue slider in the bottom middle of the stream to find each timestamp on the left stream. Make sure you MUTE the stream on the right side so that the audio isn't messed up.

2:32:35 Mike is seen at the table texting someone, Justin makes joke about mike maybe becoming super aggressive.

2:32:55 Mike seems very frustrated while texting lets out huge sigh.

2:34:10 Justin leaves the booth and at the exact same time (3:04:10) Mike is seen standing up from the table and constantly looking twords the back of the room.

2:36:52 Justin returns to booth, tells Kasey "were good, were good" (maybe this is nothing) then immediately mutes the booth again.

2:39:47 Justin un mutes the booth, and mike sits back down to play at the table (he was standing this entire time see for yourself)

I'm sure there are plenty more "Coincidences" in this stream undiscovered take a look for yourself.
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:21 PM   #6274
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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https://documentcloud.adobe.com/link...e-dc7d1610c53b

Mac VerStandig shared this. Interesting that Kasey Lyn Mills is there; the commentator that many thought was in on it. Surely if she was she wouldn't file against them
Clearly they have read and followed this thread, Reddit, and the videos created discussing it. Claim of RICO charges, if they are pursued in criminal court, buh bye Postle and Co. Watch the race to flip and point fingers.
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:22 PM   #6275
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Coming back to this thread after 24 hrs so possible this has been answered since then, but obvious super-user play aside, I'm coming to view the "RFID wrong hand" claims as the most incriminating piece of evidence in this entire saga. E.g.:
  • The only times there has been a claimed RFID mis-read was when Mike had made some absurd super-user play completely inexplicable given the action / stacks; and
  • It was always to "correct" Mike's holding to something that would make his play somewhat defensible
The natural Q's that I haven't seen laid out yet (unless in last 24 hrs) are:
  1. Just WHO communicated the alleged RFID mis-reads to the commentator booth? (Mike or an accomplice?)
  2. Just WHEN and HOW was it communicated?...This one instance I've watched, the "corrected" 9s8s holding showed up immediately after the hand ended, but the commentators were gushing about how there'd been a reported RFID mis-read before the hand ended and the 9s8s showed on screen...so they had been alerted before the "corrected" graphics appeared, right? By whom? Did Mike or an accomplice approach them and let them know that the hand they were commenting on was showing erroneous hole cards? Because it seems (in the Tweet above) like they commentated the entire hand thinking he had 86o, only to find out 60s before it ended that there was a reported RFID mis-readso did whoever informed them just pop into the booth 60s before the hand ended to alert them?
(Again, sorry if these have been conclusively answered; but they seem like the key to the whole thing.)
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