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Old 10-04-2019, 10:50 PM   #3501
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There are so many fascinating quirks about this case.
Like how a complete buffoon ended up with so many responsibilities for Stones poker.
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Old 10-04-2019, 10:52 PM   #3502
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Joey,

Just re-watching #4 investigation stream

Watch from 2.21.00 when Mike loses flush over flush.
The commentators say that 'Mike came to watch that hand'. Which is something that must've happened during the 30 minute delay.
2,23.30 and the commentators try to roll that back and say that 'That is of course right. They players don't go back into the producers. That was stupid of us!'

What does that mean?
THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS
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Old 10-04-2019, 10:54 PM   #3503
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Maybe a jury wouldn't understand winrates and stats but I wonder if they would understand hours and hours of video of Postle cheating while they are looking at video specifically looking for cheating. All the phone checking and hat touching has to look odd even to people unfamiliar with poker.

Although I guess if you get a couple of Mike Matusows on the jury that could sink any case.
Genuinely you don't want the 75 year old grandma on the jury watching hours and hours of poker.

You probably could get a conviction without a "smoking fub" (knowing *exactly* how he did it), but that makes it much tougher and I have my doubts we will ever know the exact method used without a subpoena for his phone/email records and him being lazy/careless and sharing that information.
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Old 10-04-2019, 10:54 PM   #3504
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The problem with continually focusing on the math/stats is that the math/stats/poker experts only prove that MP's winrate is virtually impossible. Proving someone cheated (in court) requires a bit more. There is a big difference (in a criminal trial) between "he cheated and here is the equipment we confiscated used in the crime" and "his winrate is mathematically virtually impossible therefore he must be cheating." The equipment used shows how he cheated. The math/stats only proves his winrate is virtually impossible. Also, I'm sure you can get a stats expert to say MP's winrate is virtually impossible. Unfortunately, when that same expert is faced with the questions "did MP cheat? And how did he cheat?": I suspect no stats expert would be willing to answer definitely on those questions. Using DNA as an example; DNA can place a suspect at the scene of a stabbing, but you still need to prove the suspect did the actual stabbing.
Hasn't it come out that people have cheated in random lotteries around the world and lost in court. The fact hat i read this is like winning 16 powerballs in a row speaks a lot to the random person. Lets say this wasn't about poker but a lottery somewhere and mike we knew was friends with few people who ran the lottery wouldn't it be obvious
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:00 PM   #3505
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JOew5mNY9XY&t=245m00s

commentator says is he hacking into the rfid and just knows what everyone has
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:03 PM   #3506
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Hasn't it come out that people have cheated in random lotteries around the world and lost in court. The fact hat i read this is like winning 16 powerballs in a row speaks a lot to the random person. Lets say this wasn't about poker but a lottery somewhere and mike we knew was friends with few people who ran the lottery wouldn't it be obvious
FWIW like the attorney said a few pages ago, the play would just be to charge him with just an incredible number of counts. If you get him for every session, dude could be facing so much time that he's just never risking a trial.
I think everyone talking about how best to convince a jury is getting way ahead of themselves (and mostly posting really poor advice!)
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:03 PM   #3507
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So where is the Matasow interview? Nothing on his site yet.
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:04 PM   #3508
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Anyone know if Veronica has been hired anyone else yet? I feel like any pokerroom would want her given that she saw it and spoke up and stuck to her guns. I hope they rehire her and give her justins job and a fat bonus.
hmmm stuck to her guns == as the stakes at Stones Live grew to their highest limit ever inviting and driving high profile names (who play on their own bankroll) and not even whispering them a warning about wtf they were getting ready to walk into

was there a stream this week that had technical difficulties? Poker legend Commander97 mentioned it in his latest vlog (dunno how many days behind his vlogs are).
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:05 PM   #3509
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CMON MIKE POST IT
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:05 PM   #3510
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Mike was trolling, we all knew it
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:06 PM   #3511
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Postle having 2nd thoughts and begging Matasow not to post it now.
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:07 PM   #3512
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

I'm glad to know I'm not the only loser waiting for a Mike Matusow podcast on a Friday night. Of course, I say that in jest. I know the rest of you are multitasking banging hot chicks and making sick lay downs while waiting for this podcast.
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:08 PM   #3513
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Hasn't it come out that people have cheated in random lotteries around the world and lost in court. The fact hat i read this is like winning 16 powerballs in a row speaks a lot to the random person. Lets say this wasn't about poker but a lottery somewhere and mike we knew was friends with few people who ran the lottery wouldn't it be obvious
Suspicion is not proof. And something being odd/suspect is not enough to convict in a criminal court. Let's say I own a gun and live next door to a bank and am friends with the bank manager. Said bank was robbed by a person with a gun. Is the fact that I own a gun and friends with the bank manager enough suspicion for the police to investigate? Maybe. Is it enough suspicion to convict me of armed robbery of said bank? Absolutely not.
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:08 PM   #3514
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FWIW like the attorney said a few pages ago, the play would just be to charge him with just an incredible number of counts. If you get him for every session, dude could be facing so much time that he's just never risking a trial.
I think everyone talking about how best to convince a jury is getting way ahead of themselves (and mostly posting really poor advice!)
I think the play legally is to focus on attacks on Stone's Live and its operating staff. The company will want to save face and it's such a drop in the bucket for them to cover the losses of those affected whereas Postle probably can't even pay back 2 of them after accounting for legal fees that he would get. In addition, the only shot at getting the smoking gun (since none of these idiots called him out live on stream so that security could check his damn device) is getting someone on staff to flip which I think will be hella easy if anyone else was involved.
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:09 PM   #3515
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I don't believe this has been shared in the thread:

I reached out to a high stakes player who plays in Reno and recieved confirmation that Mike Postle has never played in any mid-to-high stakes games there (5/10 and higher). Which he referenced in the texts Veronica shared.

I can provide additional details via DM if necessary.
That's kind of weird. The couple times I played he always mentioned he drove in from Reno. Even semi-bragged about getting comped free rooms a lot.
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:09 PM   #3516
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

the structure of stones live is important to this story
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPom...ature=youtu.be
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:10 PM   #3517
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Wow

The commentator say Mike went in the back to watch this hand w/ Taylor. Then say that was stupid the players don't go back there !!!

WTFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://youtu.be/Gaek0o6eYTo?t=8423
That is insane. And the commentator didn’t even blink when Taylor messaged him a second time to say Mike wasn’t back there
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:14 PM   #3518
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1k people waiting on joeys stream of the mouths podcast so far........




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Old 10-04-2019, 11:15 PM   #3519
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Postle having 2nd thoughts and begging Matasow not to post it now.
Probably. Why did there need to be a multi-hour delay before posting? Is Matusow letting Postle listen to it and letting him determine what he wants to keep as a part of it?
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:15 PM   #3520
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Didn’t mike say he was the podcast at 8?
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:16 PM   #3521
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He calls an AI preflop with 54o 3way.
Literally put the last money in.
And this guy is winning close to 150bb/100.
Back in the day fish would put em on AK call down and lose. Now the pros are putting 2 guys on AK calling all in pre with 54o and taking down pots.
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:16 PM   #3522
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I think the play legally is to focus on attacks on Stone's Live and its operating staff. The company will want to save face and it's such a drop in the bucket for them to cover the losses of those affected whereas Postle probably can't even pay back 2 of them after accounting for legal fees that he would get. In addition, the only shot at getting the smoking gun (since none of these idiots called him out live on stream so that security could check his damn device) is getting someone on staff to flip which I think will be hella easy if anyone else was involved.
That is more in the scope of the gaming commission rather than the actual courts though.
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:17 PM   #3523
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I say we make Matasow the new target for awhile. lol
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:19 PM   #3524
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:20 PM   #3525
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JOew5mNY9XY&t=245m00s

commentator says is he hacking into the rfid and just knows what everyone has

WOW
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