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Old 10-04-2019, 05:09 PM   #3251
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Guys you can literally see the camera on his new black bracelet in the stream Joey reviewed last night with the new cards. This is why he bets with his right hand and hides his left hand until he is in a hand then he points his forearm towards the table, just like when he looks down using his other method when the camera is hidden in hat, he is pointing the top of the hat (camera) towards the table. And then the third method where the camera is in keys, also pointing at table. But look closely at the bracelet when he aims it at table you can see the camera. Also it looks exactly like the one in this video, this is clear guys compare them for yourself.
https://youtu.be/etBIjFw1NiI
At first i thought this was a troll post but, lets look into that skinny bracelet he would freaking always wear. Also lets zoom in on that “special” underarmor hat and dissect it from rim to rim. We need to get to the bottom of this and we will!!!
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Old 10-04-2019, 05:10 PM   #3252
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He didn't lose on purpose because he was greedy.

Whenever I tell someone a story about someone that made a million dollars at blackjack and then lost it all they always ask me why they didn't stop at a million dollars. For the same reason they didn't stop at $500k or $200k or $50k or $20k. The decision can be considered stupid or reckless but it doesn't mean the person making the decision is stupid.

Everyone that is calling him stupid, do you not realize that if it were not for a single whistle blower, Mike Postle would still be fleecing thousands of dollars from players every week in front of hundreds of viewers? He literally got away with what he was doing for a year on livestream of all places and even today with mounting evidence there are still some that will defend him.
Yeah that's the thing. I have seen several people calling him an idiot recently and be like "Imagine if someone actually smart was cheating!". But it all seems so obvious to us now in hindsight. Like you said he got away with this for a long time without any questions.
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Old 10-04-2019, 05:12 PM   #3253
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Guys you can literally see the camera on his new black bracelet in the stream Joey reviewed last night with the new cards. This is why he bets with his right hand and hides his left hand until he is in a hand then he points his forearm towards the table, just like when he looks down using his other method when the camera is hidden in hat, he is pointing the top of the hat (camera) towards the table. And then the third method where the camera is in keys, also pointing at table. But look closely at the bracelet when he aims it at table you can see the camera. Also it looks exactly like the one in this video, this is clear guys compare them for yourself.
https://youtu.be/etBIjFw1NiI
this is why i dont like people immediately discrediting or doubting the key fob theory or involvement.

he definitely used a mixed cheating strategy (different components) that morphed over time. Whether this was out of necessity as response to growing suspicions/rule changes or it was just him testing/trying out new systems. who knows
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Old 10-04-2019, 05:12 PM   #3254
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That I do, got this **** bookmarked bc ppl ask for it so often lol.
The 86o to 98ss graphics change can be found here.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/365129696?t=02h30m44s
Cheers, I went and found on Youtube anyway at https://youtu.be/eiXGr92uQGU?t=9283

I double-checked the previous hand, and although there was a minor glitch, where Ozzy's (the player next to Mike) cards weren't immediately shown (QJo), Mike made a rare fold pre with T7o. That hand would have flopped top two on T735J, but it's academic. I can't think of an adequate explanation for why the screen would show 8d6s and then change to 98ss. I also don't understand T-Bone's play with 96cc (the commentators initially thought it was him whose cards were wrong), unless he'd already picked up a read that Mike was super-bluffy on rivers.
It's so mysterious.
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Old 10-04-2019, 05:13 PM   #3255
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Old 10-04-2019, 05:13 PM   #3256
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Would you care to share the version of the story you were told? Also, no one's really doubting that he had a crazy aggressive style before, it doesn't hurt the cheating narrative at all. It actually makes sense that in his mind he thought he could justify his plays with his aggressive image that he built up over the years.
I only remember it vaguely, but I remember him saying the prostitute tried to rob his friend, and then security showed up and his friend pushed the security guard out of the way and that a bunch of security showed up and it turned into a huge scene with pushing and shouting. I don't really remember what he said about the other time he got in trouble with Caesars out in Mississippi, but he had some story about that also. Of course he was just an innocent bystander in his versions of the stories.

I agree that it doesn't hurt the cheating narrative, in fact my friend (sorry if you are reading this buddy) tends to be taken advantage of because he thinks the best of people, so it doesn't surprise me that he thinks Postle was a nice guy and is unsure even with all of the evidence that Postle cheated him.
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Old 10-04-2019, 05:13 PM   #3257
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As far as not speculating on other members of stones’ team being involved in this, I am not inclined to grant any respect of uninvolvement due to:

- The RFID system used records every single hand and all action of the hand. Chip counts, players action, result, chip stacks +-, etc. that it went this long and that it was already brought to Stones attention, and this fact that they could see at an InSTANT all stats that members here are uncovering at great effort, this to me means THIS WAS KNOWN AND COVERED UP. I think even innocent people on the life broadcast team are accountable. This is a criminal activity that would in a Nevada casino result in broad scale firings and criminal charges. Imagine if we had access to the hand history database from the beginning?

- Stones had their chance. No reason to protect reputation when players money gets ****ed with like this.

- as far as specific people involved as accomplices, everyone with access to the broadcast system is suspect until cleared of wrongdoing. This isn’t a trial we are not subject to constitutional factors in a 2P2 thread.

It’s gotta be brutal to those accountable at Stones. They put themselves in this spot and can deal with the fallout.

Remember a former Stones employee blew the whistle on this....at least twice.

As fare as Stones and worker protection. Corporate generally doesn't give two farts about casino employees.


I'd assume as a rule the success of a conspiracy is related to the amount of people involved in the conspiracy. No one with inside info has come out about this yet, so it's safe to assume that if there is colllusion, the circle is very small.


I'd be interested in finding out who runs Stones twitter account. Generally corporations run damage control up the chain before making public statements, and ones dealing with potential criminality always should consult theri legal dpt, but the twitter response has been extremely fast and dismissive of people's concerns.


I don't think that every Postle hero worshiper is in on the scam. In fact, it would be better for the same if there were some true believers with no personal gain.
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Old 10-04-2019, 05:13 PM   #3258
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Guys you can literally see the camera on his new black bracelet in the stream Joey reviewed last night with the new cards. This is why he bets with his right hand and hides his left hand until he is in a hand then he points his forearm towards the table, just like when he looks down using his other method when the camera is hidden in hat, he is pointing the top of the hat (camera) towards the table. And then the third method where the camera is in keys, also pointing at table. But look closely at the bracelet when he aims it at table you can see the camera. Also it looks exactly like the one in this video, this is clear guys compare them for yourself.
https://youtu.be/etBIjFw1NiI
Do you have the timestamp on Joey's latest stream by any chance?

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I've watched the 30 mins after that hand. Although Justin is seen walking back and forth several times, he does not seem to speak to Mike, apart from briefly, and Mike reacts to whatever is said by clapping a couple of times.

There is nothing in the accompanying twitch chat from admin, unlike the 88/TT hand. I don't see how Taylor told the comms Mike had 89s. Which leaves the Q of when the change was made.

The commentary is absolutely nauseating btw
Yea, Matt Berkey is going talk about this in depth on his live stream on Friday on his Solve For Why yt channel, hes familiar with RFID tech
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Old 10-04-2019, 05:14 PM   #3259
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They aren't some of the stupidest people on the planet. Why does this narrative keep creeping into this thread? This is greed, not stupidity.
Show me the difference between stupid and illegal and i'll have my wife's brother arrested
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Old 10-04-2019, 05:15 PM   #3260
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so lets think about this. it's march. your cohost has expressed concerns about cheating. you also know other known pros and popular poker players have been starting to talk about this stuff.

do you:

A) SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW
B) keep blatantly cheating on stream for hundreds of hours for another 6 months.

tough spot

These people are complete idiots.
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Old 10-04-2019, 05:16 PM   #3261
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On a serious note, if you are close to Mike, you should probably try to reach out to him. I really believe the guy should be on suicide watch. Seriously...
I figured he could be suicidal as his ego and narcissism are crushed by the reality that he is not a great poker player. However you seem to think he'll be more devastated by how this affects his daughter rather than how this affects himself. Your post makes him sound like a selfless person. Perhaps he was just doing all this cheating to help the people he cares about, rather than any selfish narcissistic reasons.

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I am not trying to excuse his behavior.
But you will give him legal advice which would make it tougher to prosecute him:

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Also, Mike, if you are reading this: get a lawyer asap, if you haven't already. Tell him the truth, everything. And then figure out with him the best way out of this. Don't do or say anything about this to anyone but your lawyer. You can discuss your feelings with friends, but don't tell them anything about this, it will only hurt you later. Especially don't go on any podcasts or talk to any poker players to tell your side of the story. They will tell you they believe you, that you only need to get your story out there, etc. They are lying. They are only exploiting you.
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I know it seems overwhelming, but you can still do the right thing.
Yeah, let's do the right thing like render free legal advice to the scumbag that stole hundreds of thousands from people.
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Old 10-04-2019, 05:19 PM   #3262
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Justin's defense of Mike is that he is employing the unbeatable "Martingale" strategy? Is this some sort of joke? No one is that stupid right?
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Old 10-04-2019, 05:20 PM   #3263
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I dont think martingale means what he thinks it means
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Old 10-04-2019, 05:21 PM   #3264
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Yeah that's the thing. I have seen several people calling him an idiot recently and be like "Imagine if someone actually smart was cheating!". But it all seems so obvious to us now in hindsight. Like you said he got away with this for a long time without any questions.
What I'm saying is if someone smart was cheating we likely never would have found out. Like you guys are saying even this idiot got away with it for a while.
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Old 10-04-2019, 05:23 PM   #3265
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Postle's intelligence was already called into question. But wow the stupidity of going on podcast when facing prossible state and federal criminal charges is beyond stupid. way past moronic. not sure what the word is but obviously this guy is no longer attached to reality.



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lolz. will put this in my repertoire
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Old 10-04-2019, 05:23 PM   #3266
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Justin and Mike thought they could get away with it because the stream was so small at the time. Usually less than 200 people would watch a 1/3 game. Viewership did start to grow a little but why worry when less than 250 people are watching and your cheating in a juicy 1/3 game. Whos gonna suspect anything?
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Old 10-04-2019, 05:23 PM   #3267
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Cheers, I went and found on Youtube anyway at https://youtu.be/eiXGr92uQGU?t=9283

I double-checked the previous hand, and although there was a minor glitch, where Ozzy's (the player next to Mike) cards weren't immediately shown (QJo), Mike made a rare fold pre with T7o. That hand would have flopped top two on T735J, but it's academic. I can't think of an adequate explanation for why the screen would show 8d6s and then change to 98ss. I also don't understand T-Bone's play with 96cc (the commentators initially thought it was him whose cards were wrong), unless he'd already picked up a read that Mike was super-bluffy on rivers.
It's so mysterious.
Only way for it to change like that is if someone physically changed the graphics. Hands are filled in programatically, so for them to change would require manual input.

Possibility 1: Postle would have seen the live stream (undelayed) and told someone to change the graphics bc it was suspect.

Possibility 2: Postle was watching live stream (delayed) and saw the hand was wrong at the start of the hand and quickly told someone that it was wrong.

Possibility 3: Graphics person is an inside man, saw the play was outrageous, and decided to change the graphics and alert the booth

Something that is not possible is that the floor went and asked Postle about the hand in between the nanoseconds it took for Postle to 3bet rebluff the river to Tbone folding.

Regarding TBones hand, its actually a great play by TBone as he had a double gutter. River bluff makes sense since he has blockers to the straight. That son of a ***** Postle took away what would have been a magnificent play by TBone.
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Old 10-04-2019, 05:25 PM   #3268
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They must have been very arrogant and thought they could get away with it forever since they apparently never considered throwing in a losing session here and there to reduce suspicion. Or how about a bad call every now and again?

This makes me believe that many people were in on it, that they thought their system was foolproof and secure.
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Old 10-04-2019, 05:27 PM   #3269
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Yeah that's the thing. I have seen several people calling him an idiot recently and be like "Imagine if someone actually smart was cheating!". But it all seems so obvious to us now in hindsight. Like you said he got away with this for a long time without any questions.
Imagine if he was smart enough to lose just a quarter of those games.....no one would be talking about it today.

Smart rackets run for decades and decades, because they don't stand out like an extra thumb hanging off their chin. If Postle was that smart, no one would be talking about it now.
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Old 10-04-2019, 05:31 PM   #3270
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This is pretty damning too since it appears to be the same "Taylor" that works at stones and is possibly a co-conspirator. The fact that MP is running a huge bluff and getting "caught" by someone that might be an accomplice is pretty sketch.

Taking into account that there's now some evidence that community cards were possibly known ahead of time picking JJ vs 72 w/ an AAx board is the perfect set up. Have MP 3-bet knowing AAx was coming then triple barrel into Taylor effectively chip dumping to a co-conspirator then also using it as "proof" of bluffs gone wrong.
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Old 10-04-2019, 05:32 PM   #3271
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This is pretty damning too since it appears to be the same "Taylor" that works at stones and is possibly a co-conspirator. The fact that MP is running a huge bluff and getting "caught" by someone that might be an accomplice is pretty sketch.

Taking into account that there's now some evidence that community cards were possibly known ahead of time picking JJ vs 72 w/ an AAx board is the perfect set up. Have MP 3-bet knowing AAx was coming then triple barrel into Taylor effectively chip dumping to a co-conspirator then also using it as "proof" of bluffs gone wrong.
i think that's taylor carroll who also plays on LATB.
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Old 10-04-2019, 05:35 PM   #3272
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Can we please stop the : If he would have been smart thing.. Its tiring..

People can be smart overall but still have "weak" moments or stretches.
Its not black and white.
On another note. I have a little bit of fear that Negreanu is actually right and there is a chance that he will get away.. We have to keep the investigation and pressure thing rolling until he is facing charges for it...
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Old 10-04-2019, 05:35 PM   #3273
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Is this what the Reddit Boston Bomber investigation was like? Hope we’re not wrong (doubtful).
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Old 10-04-2019, 05:36 PM   #3274
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Obviously we'll get an elaborate confession from The Apostle™ on The Mouthpiece with Mike Matusow™ tonight and y'all can stop digging.
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Old 10-04-2019, 05:37 PM   #3275
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Can we please stop the : If he would have been smart thing.. Its tiring..

People can be smart overall but still have "weak" moments or stretches.
Its not black and white.
On another note. I have a little bit of fear that Negreanu is actually right and there is a chance that he will get away.. We have to keep the investigation and pressure thing rolling until he is facing charges for it...
of course he'll get away with it. There is no justice in this world. No one gives a **** about poker players. Outside of the poker community the average person is probably like "serves those degens right, what do you think would happen? you deserve it for being so stupid, poker is a game of luck, this is what happens, it's all a scam."
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