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Old 10-05-2019, 02:03 AM   #3701
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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After listening to Mike Matosow's part interview, it seems like Mike Postle has some legitimate points. The numbers weren't accurate, so he didn't win $250k. If he won significantly less than that, and if only certain hands were cherry picked to make him look bad, then he very well could be innocent. This whole thing is turning into a bit of a witch hunt...

He also said he's not greedy and giving money back at various points. That's something that can be fact checked.

Postle should certainly have a fair platform to defend himself, same as Justin.
I'm not trying to be scathing or offensive, but it truly astounds me and blows my mind that there are people who could be registered on twoplustwo since 2008 and be this oblivious to what's going on in these hands.
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:04 AM   #3702
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I wonder if the backdrop that was installed in between the table and the Tournament Director's desk is transparent. If so, it would allow Mike to signal to whoever is inside.
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:05 AM   #3703
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After listening to Mike Matosow's part interview, it seems like Mike Postle has some legitimate points. The numbers weren't accurate, so he didn't win $250k. If he won significantly less than that, and if only certain hands were cherry picked to make him look bad, then he very well could be innocent. This whole thing is turning into a bit of a witch hunt...

He also said he's not greedy and giving money back at various points. That's something that can be fact checked.

Postle should certainly have a fair platform to defend himself, same as Justin.
nice troll bud
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:05 AM   #3704
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

So if their 1/3 game is usually $3000 deep(idk), that's less than 10x how deep my game is, so if we 10x my win rate is would still only be 100bb/hr while his, over 52 hours, is 600bb/hr(to our knowledge), and I crush in a soft game and have been playing for more than 15 years.
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:05 AM   #3705
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He seems to think since Russ Hamilton got away with it it's ok that he did it.
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:06 AM   #3706
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Im sure this has been posted here, but didn’t want to scroll back thru to see if it was. Front and center on the Ringer!

https://www.theringer.com/2019/10/4/...veronica-brill
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:09 AM   #3707
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That video by Veronica outlining how Justin would be hiding behind a screen mysteriously speaking into a lapel mic whilst watching the raw/no delay live stream is important imo

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Old 10-05-2019, 02:09 AM   #3708
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I have worked in highly secure environments (fully air gapped, no phone, cameras, etc.), although not as a network engineer. I had assumed core casino systems (including surveillance, e.g. CCTV) were fully air gapped. And those systems that did allow outside access (obviously required for a streaming broadcast) were separated from core, but heavily monitored. I would think a casino would want to know - and would audit often - what comes in and out of that casino. Which is why I thought a good technical person would be required to help mask what was happening (or fake a security audit).

Again, perhaps my assumptions are incorrect.
You can have granular control all the way up to application if you want. But it’s not feasible to do it for all the traffic coming in and out of the network. From a management pov it’s a major pain in the ass and doesn’t serve any purpose other than wasted hours. There are firewalls within the network that prevent certain traffic but it has more to do with employee productivity than malicious behavior.
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:12 AM   #3709
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The way he just so nonchalantly says "yeah, he had the nut flush draw". No doubts. No anything. No emphasis or smirk. Business as usual. Ridiculous.

Thanks for the hand, bourrc9.
I disagree completely. If you watch the stream you can see he had the nut flush draw. The only thing that could be in question is how he knew he was bluffing. That could be explained by the guy not flipping over his hand and potentially he even said "I'm bluffing"
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:13 AM   #3710
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Joey you need to get veronica on stream. I am very curious if everythings okay with her. I feel like some pokerroom should snap offer her a job for being only one with a brain in stones entire room and stuck to her guns.
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:16 AM   #3711
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I've been looking through some of the PLO/mixed games streams and found a pretty interesting hand where Mike essentially admits to cheating check this out. Theyre switching among NLH,PLO and 08 every orbit. This is the first hand of the PLO orbit after NLH. The graphics don't update to PLO though so they only pick of 2/4 hole cards.



Mike confirms in his interview at the end that his other 2 cards are KcTc. His opponent never shows but doesnt have a 10. Mike is so frustrated during the hand because he ONLY has access to 2/4 of his opponent's cards. He's legit pissed that he can't see all 4 lol. Look at how many times he looks at his phone during this hand. Just keeps checking to see if the stream is fixed. Does this 10 times in the hand. Finally calls river and his opponent mucks so we never see the other 2 cards.

Now here's where it gets interesting....Mike goes in the booth at the end of the stream to commentate for 5 minutes.

The first thing he asks is "so what happened with that PLO hand?" and references that only 2 of the cards were shown. This doesn't make any sense. How would he know that the graphics weren't displaying correctly? And why would he even care, the other 2 cards are irrelevant. He was aggressively playing the nut fd and bluffed river when he missed. The only possible explanation would be that Mike was watching the 30 minute delayed stream on twitch. Scroll forward to 30 minutes after the hand takes place and Mike doesn't appear to be watching on his phone. He also leaves the table. Also it makes no sense that Mike would want to rewatch this hand to see what his opponent had. He called his bet and showed his hand first. If he cared that much, he couldve made opponent show first.

Full Video https://youtu.be/mBTJkgd7YsQ?t=13544
Timestamps
3:45:30 hand begins
4:15:00-4:18:00 when Mike could watch the delayed stream on his phone
4:29:45 Mike enters the commentary booth and talks about the hand

Last it appears that his $250k in winnings ppl keep referencing from the data by JS84 doesn't include PLO or mixed games. I've started going through the non NLH streams to calculate his winnings here and it appears this number could be closer to $300k. I will post the full data for 2019 as soon as I'm done. I'm just spending a lot of time on each of these streams lol there is some interesting stuff and it's not as clear which sessions he is superusing in.
This is epic.

Make sure you watch this.

Joey going thru it on stream now.
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:23 AM   #3712
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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I've been looking through some of the PLO/mixed games streams and found a pretty interesting hand where Mike essentially admits to cheating check this out. Theyre switching among NLH,PLO and 08 every orbit. This is the first hand of the PLO orbit after NLH. The graphics don't update to PLO though so they only pick of 2/4 hole cards.



Mike confirms in his interview at the end that his other 2 cards are KcTc. His opponent never shows but doesnt have a 10. Mike is so frustrated during the hand because he ONLY has access to 2/4 of his opponent's cards. He's legit pissed that he can't see all 4 lol. Look at how many times he looks at his phone during this hand. Just keeps checking to see if the stream is fixed. Does this 10 times in the hand. Finally calls river and his opponent mucks so we never see the other 2 cards.

Now here's where it gets interesting....Mike goes in the booth at the end of the stream to commentate for 5 minutes.

The first thing he asks is "so what happened with that PLO hand?" and references that only 2 of the cards were shown. This doesn't make any sense. How would he know that the graphics weren't displaying correctly? And why would he even care, the other 2 cards are irrelevant. He was aggressively playing the nut fd and bluffed river when he missed. The only possible explanation would be that Mike was watching the 30 minute delayed stream on twitch. Scroll forward to 30 minutes after the hand takes place and Mike doesn't appear to be watching on his phone. He also leaves the table. Also it makes no sense that Mike would want to rewatch this hand to see what his opponent had. He called his bet and showed his hand first. If he cared that much, he couldve made opponent show first.

Full Video https://youtu.be/mBTJkgd7YsQ?t=13544
Timestamps
3:45:30 hand begins
4:15:00-4:18:00 when Mike could watch the delayed stream on his phone
4:29:45 Mike enters the commentary booth and talks about the hand

Last it appears that his $250k in winnings ppl keep referencing from the data by JS84 doesn't include PLO or mixed games. I've started going through the non NLH streams to calculate his winnings here and it appears this number could be closer to $300k. I will post the full data for 2019 as soon as I'm done. I'm just spending a lot of time on each of these streams lol there is some interesting stuff and it's not as clear which sessions he is superusing in.
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:24 AM   #3713
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

"I play, I'd say, a unique style, I uhh I don't know, It's, there isn't words to describe what I do..."
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:25 AM   #3714
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Yeah, okay, I feel a little bold saying this, but with the PLO booth thing, I went from 99.999% to 100%. Change my mind.
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:27 AM   #3715
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Joey's face when he realizes MM is not doing God's work in the very least, and then when MP starts talking, is absolutely priceless. The mix of anger, disappointment, and confusion is amazing.
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:27 AM   #3716
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This would easily be detected by a technician. You are sending gigabytes of data over a dedicated port to an end point located in the casino?
Anyone watching youtube/netflix/whatever could be doing this.
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:27 AM   #3717
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So if their 1/3 game is usually $3000 deep(idk), that's less than 10x how deep my game is, so if we 10x my win rate is would still only be 100bb/hr while his, over 52 hours, is 600bb/hr(to our knowledge), and I crush in a soft game and have been playing for more than 15 years.
You play 1/3 with $30,000 stacks?
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:32 AM   #3718
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

I'm grunching so far and will offer my opinion of believing the man is guilty.

The first thing he asks is "so what happened with that PLO hand?" - who was this question addressed to?
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:35 AM   #3719
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You play 1/3 with $30,000 stacks?
3k is less than 10x. Aka his average stack is greater than 300, but not much more.
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:36 AM   #3720
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You play 1/3 with $30,000 stacks?
Sorry, I should have just said it's about 10x more than mine. Really, I'd estimate it's about 8x deeper than mine and I figured 8x is less than 10x so I said less than 10x. Sorry for the confusion.
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:38 AM   #3721
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After listening to Mike Matosow's part interview, it seems like Mike Postle has some legitimate points. The numbers weren't accurate, so he didn't win $250k. If he won significantly less than that, and if only certain hands were cherry picked to make him look bad, then he very well could be innocent. This whole thing is turning into a bit of a witch hunt...

He also said he's not greedy and giving money back at various points. That's something that can be fact checked.

Postle should certainly have a fair platform to defend himself, same as Justin.
I erred high on his buy-in amount. If I could go back, I would have had a buy-in amount and an add-on amount. But I'm confident my numbers are very close to reality. Even if you add $25k (or $50k) to his buy-in amounts, he still wins over $200k in 277 hours.

And yes, there are certainly times when he gives money back, but rare he ever loses massive pots. His tendency to play 3 and 4-bet pots does cause him some down swings. Plenty of times he calls a 3 or 4-bet pre, calls a flop bet, and fold the turn/river when he's beat. He never paid off big river bets.
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:41 AM   #3722
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Lol when he cant see all 4 cards in his opponents hand as the reader thinks its still NLHE his name on the leaderboard is "SMFC" (might stand for show me four cards). Even tells the commentator he's sending messages via his name.
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:43 AM   #3723
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dFz...ature=youtu.be
4:26:25 timemark. They talk about "The Power Of Postle Thinking" a book written by a ghost writer. Who could be the "ghostwriters"? Look at Postles reaction...
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:43 AM   #3724
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if it's really show me four cards, HOW ARE YOU THIS DUMB. might as well have "I CAN SEE ALL THE CARDS" SMFC is kinda obvious what it is though but it shouldn't be on a stream for obv reasons
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:44 AM   #3725
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Lol when he cant see all 4 cards in his opponents hand as the reader thinks its still NLHE his name on the leaderboard is "SMFC" (might stand for show me four cards). Even tells the commentator he's sending messages via his name.
Im sorry but this isnt what he was saying at all.

SMFC means Suck my F'in Cock. he was implying he didnt realize that was the vibe he was giving off at the table tonight.

he didnt make his name. his name was SFMC for a long time before this hand.


Yall need to stop seeing and hearing what you want to hear at every possible turn.
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