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Old 10-05-2019, 08:21 AM   #3826
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I've compiled data for all Mike sessions since 2018. Just missing rebuy data. Does anyone have that?

Anyone is free to add data or improve it. I have a backup if it somehow gets messed up.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
Brilliant. Thank you.

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Old 10-05-2019, 08:33 AM   #3827
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Brilliant. Thank you.

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Yea even before the other guy bets he cant believe how unlucky he is
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Old 10-05-2019, 08:50 AM   #3828
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Yea even before the other guy bets he cant believe how unlucky he is
Why did Postle call the river?
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Old 10-05-2019, 08:52 AM   #3829
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Why did Postle call the river?
Folding would be too suspicious.
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Old 10-05-2019, 08:54 AM   #3830
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

"Michael Buble" - Very interesting find regarding Taylor.

I would love to see an analysis regarding if Mike can ever be found cheating while Taylor is in the booth (accounting for the half hour delay).

If not a single instance can be found, then we might just have our accomplice.

I agree that Mike cheating while Justin was gone in the Bahamas would seem to exonerate him, or at least make it less likely he was in on it.

It is possible that Justin knows at this point what really happened but is keeping quiet, in order to save Stones, its rep, and his own rep.
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Old 10-05-2019, 08:59 AM   #3831
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Why did Postle call the river?
Surely he recognized there was zero justification to ever fold that hand. If you assign a tight range to villain then he has 9 combos total of QQ TT 99 KJs versus 12 combos of AA KK. If you widen the range to include others that beat you then you've got to start including worse two pair. Even assuming a 0 bluff frequency from the villain this has to be a call.
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Old 10-05-2019, 09:18 AM   #3832
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Ill try to link the times next time but im pretty sure here on mobile i only have the option to copy video, no other option. Ill try to use desktop next time.
FYI on YouTube videos, you can easily manually do it. Just add #t=XmYs to the end of the url.
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Old 10-05-2019, 09:21 AM   #3833
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Remarkable indeed.
Man, that is sus!
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Old 10-05-2019, 09:24 AM   #3834
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lol absolute gold. never has a poker player been so pissed off to turn top two before.
HAHAHAHA
that genuine fk i run bad reaction on the turn (river too)
https://youtu.be/eiXGr92uQGU?t=16029


commentary is lol too like "can he find a f.... no ofc he can't fold" etc
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Old 10-05-2019, 09:29 AM   #3835
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Surely he recognized there was zero justification to ever fold that hand. If you assign a tight range to villain then he has 9 combos total of QQ TT 99 KJs versus 12 combos of AA KK. If you widen the range to include others that beat you then you've got to start including worse two pair. Even assuming a 0 bluff frequency from the villain this has to be a call.
It is probably important not to be biased in these analysis to remain consistent. Claiming he calls river bets in spots where he is effectively bluff catching to avoid suspicion while at the same time arguing a producer had to change graphics to cover up his suspicious 86o shove isn't consistent. If he is a sophisticated enough cheater to call 1k on 3 to a straight and 3 to flush board with top two to avoid suspicion, then in theory he should be sophisticated enough to not make an absurdly vindicating 8 high shove 700 more giving like 10 to 1 to the opponent. There are certainly a very large number of abnormal hands while in isolation might make some sense combined together make a strong case for at the very least a well founded suspicion, but it is still important to not make claims that are inconsistent just to prove a point.
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Old 10-05-2019, 09:32 AM   #3836
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Transcript of Mike Postle and Mike Matusow interview part 1 here:

Cliifs on key points:
Played 5-4 hand because it's the Moneymaker hand, said he told them to take their money back after the run-out
Played 9-5 hand because his buddy got beat with eat in Reno
Made around $125K, not $250K
Says he 1000% didn't cheat
Thinks the hat conspiracy is funny
Is looking at his crotch because he's always on his phone
Matusow could improve interview skills
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Old 10-05-2019, 09:34 AM   #3837
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

1. This is by far the best 1-3 game in the US.

2. There is a ton of discussion about Mike’s play but none about his opponents:

-hand he folds KK pre. One of his opponents punts over $2k pre with 8 4.

-in the frequently discussed hand about his cards changing from 8 6 to 8 9, his opponent was betting 2.4k with absolute air.

-in the one hand we see Mike lose his opponent calls off his entire stack with ace high 9 kicker....to win.


He could be cheating, but not sure how you analyze abnormal plays in that game.

That said...if actual proof exists that he did then blacklist from every casino in world
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Old 10-05-2019, 09:41 AM   #3838
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Or how about this theory?:

This isn’t even a real game. It’s purely a promotion for Stones poker and nothing else. Every player at the table is in on it and they’re just goofing around with play money.
It is funny how minds think alike, there is an astonishingly bad player called Mark who seems to lose every session, as he compulsively plays ANY hand. Yet he keeps coming back to play, so I was saying to my wife just this morning I wonder if he is a plant by the casino, who fund his play, like "come and play here as the players are so bad and easy to beat".

I wonder if there are any regular players in the Postle televised hands, in Postle's streamed sessions there often seems to be a guy with a long white beard who is hardly ever involved with hands.
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Old 10-05-2019, 09:42 AM   #3839
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Transcript of Mike Postle and Mike Matusow interview part 1 here:

Matusow could improve interview skills
Pretty generous statement right there.

Skip forward about 20 mins to when the interview starts. Or just skip it. It's pretty awful interview overall.
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Old 10-05-2019, 09:44 AM   #3840
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Lol was his actual speech that incoherent? I'm two paragraphs in and it's barely understandable
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Old 10-05-2019, 09:45 AM   #3841
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I honestly think the bigger question that needs answered here is why are cheaters, angle shooters, scam artists, deadbeats and just general pieces of **** are allowed to do the things they do in the poker community with absolutely zero repercussions either legally of from the community?

There is a long list of *******s that have had nothing, NOTHING done to them or about them once they rip off the community.

This too will be headlines for another week or so and Postle, and the money, will just be forgotten about. People will shake his hand and hug it up with him at the next WSOP or WTP event they see him at and the community, again, will be worse off for it and nothing will deter the next guy from doing it because the repercussions just don't exist, they never have.

I genuinely don't understand this.
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Old 10-05-2019, 09:46 AM   #3842
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It is probably important not to be biased in these analysis to remain consistent. Claiming he calls river bets in spots where he is effectively bluff catching to avoid suspicion while at the same time arguing a producer had to change graphics to cover up his suspicious 86o shove isn't consistent. If he is a sophisticated enough cheater to call 1k on 3 to a straight and 3 to flush board with top two to avoid suspicion, then in theory he should be sophisticated enough to not make an absurdly vindicating 8 high shove 700 more giving like 10 to 1 to the opponent. There are certainly a very large number of abnormal hands while in isolation might make some sense combined together make a strong case for at the very least a well founded suspicion, but it is still important to not make claims that are inconsistent just to prove a point.
It should be noted this hand is from the same session as the graphics hand and happens shortly after. So it's possible an annoyed accomplice who was worried enough about avoiding detection that he went so far as to fake the graphics may have given him a heads-up to avoid rocking the boat any further with another God mode Bluff/Fold/Hero. Or maybe he decided so on his own.

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Old 10-05-2019, 09:48 AM   #3843
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It is probably important not to be biased in these analysis to remain consistent. Claiming he calls river bets in spots where he is effectively bluff catching to avoid suspicion while at the same time arguing a producer had to change graphics to cover up his suspicious 86o shove isn't consistent. If he is a sophisticated enough cheater to call 1k on 3 to a straight and 3 to flush board with top two to avoid suspicion, then in theory he should be sophisticated enough to not make an absurdly vindicating 8 high shove 700 more giving like 10 to 1 to the opponent. There are certainly a very large number of abnormal hands while in isolation might make some sense combined together make a strong case for at the very least a well founded suspicion, but it is still important to not make claims that are inconsistent just to prove a point.
I don't think he's a super thoughtful player, especially when he's got the god-mode to virtually guarantee a big winning session. Once he makes top two pair and his opponent a gutterball, I think he's committed then and there on the turn to having to pay it off to the bitter end to avoid looking like an obvious superuser. His facial expressions and mannerism certainly suggest that, as does the speed of his river call. The latter is so fast and he's so upset from the turn (with the defeated head tilt) he probably didn't even see the backdoor flush come in on the river.

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Old 10-05-2019, 09:52 AM   #3844
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Btw, why is it okay for Joey to play Mike the Mouth's podcast pretty much in real time on his own channel. I know you can use material to comment on it and he did but he pretty much played the whole thing, no? If so, folks would be playing each other's material all the time and just adding a few comments.
Let me guess. You’re one those that ask dealer to square up the table even before 1/2 the players have sat down.

Maybe you should start a new thread about this.
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Old 10-05-2019, 09:57 AM   #3845
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It is probably important not to be biased in these analysis to remain consistent. Claiming he calls river bets in spots where he is effectively bluff catching to avoid suspicion while at the same time arguing a producer had to change graphics to cover up his suspicious 86o shove isn't consistent. If he is a sophisticated enough cheater to call 1k on 3 to a straight and 3 to flush board with top two to avoid suspicion, then in theory he should be sophisticated enough to not make an absurdly vindicating 8 high shove 700 more giving like 10 to 1 to the opponent. There are certainly a very large number of abnormal hands while in isolation might make some sense combined together make a strong case for at the very least a well founded suspicion, but it is still important to not make claims that are inconsistent just to prove a point.
Ya, I agree that it seems to contradict some of his other suspected play. That said they did display a graphic after that hand of him having the largest stack at the table and covering the majority of the other stacks by a fairly reasonable margin. In a SuperUser situation him loaning those chips/$ out shouldn't be a very big deal as he still covers everyone and can manipulate the situation and easily gain that value back in future hands in that session. I'm assuming these games didn't really break up very often and the players stuck around and played for hours there after.
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Old 10-05-2019, 09:57 AM   #3846
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I honestly think the bigger question that needs answered here is why are cheaters, angle shooters, scam artists, deadbeats and just general pieces of **** are allowed to do the things they do in the poker community with absolutely zero repercussions either legally of from the community?

There is a long list of *******s that have had nothing, NOTHING done to them or about them once they rip off the community.

This too will be headlines for another week or so and Postle, and the money, will just be forgotten about. People will shake his hand and hug it up with him at the next WSOP or WTP event they see him at and the community, again, will be worse off for it and nothing will deter the next guy from doing it because the repercussions just don't exist, they never have.

I genuinely don't understand this.
What this guy says, and l said yesterday with no answers......

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Old 10-05-2019, 09:59 AM   #3847
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Can anyone find hands where he donks off some stacks with any sort of crazy plays?
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Old 10-05-2019, 10:00 AM   #3848
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Do people here think he ever will admit to cheating + we will find out what actually happened?

The lines this guy takes in some of the hands on video are just lol not realistic. I feel like if you are going to cheat on a stream, wouldn’t the right play be to make it look realistic and not win as some extreme win rate that isn’t likely over a longer run.

The espn piece makes a great point. If someone was crushing a game at such a high rate..... you think they would move up. Even if your winrate decreased a lot due to tougher players, etc.... it still would most likely be more profitable to play at higher stakes especially if you play like god.
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Old 10-05-2019, 10:03 AM   #3849
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Do people here think he ever will admit to cheating + we will find out what actually happened?
No idea what anyone is going to actually admit to but the truth is eventually going to come out here now with all the videos out in the open. Only thing that could speed it up is TJ Cookier being on the case.
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Old 10-05-2019, 10:11 AM   #3850
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If they're reloading and it's not tracked then the chip counts on stream wouldn't reflect how much he's added on. That means the stream chip counts only track how much he's won from other players. His defense here is actually proving he's cheating.
His grave gets deeper everytime he opens his mouth. I still can't get over that interview with Justin where he "explains" his plays.

54 - Some floorman told me to moneymaker Moneymaker with the moneymaker

95 - Oh yeah this one is some other guy's hand so I busted someone with it

49 - I guess we were talking about Football before this hand, you know, 49'ers.

Not only he's a sociopath cheater but a terrible liar, an unfortunate combo.
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