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Old 10-16-2019, 01:16 PM   #8751
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2Fr_vxeOmY

31/07/2019

32:00 taking a deep check in his lap during a bombpot hand

1:30:58 Excuse me, what the f is Mike clicking on here? It's his keys on the rail. He has vibrator smile on right before that. Can someone else check this please?


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Old 10-16-2019, 01:40 PM   #8752
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I was thinking the same. A jury without any poker knowledge probably will not be convinced by those evidences. For them poker is probably just a game of luck and everything could happen at any time. They probably will not nderstand that those winrates are impossible. He can just argue he is way better than others.
Kind of surprised Bovada doesnt have a bet on whether or not he will be convicted in their sportsbook. What do you think the odds would be listed at?
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Old 10-16-2019, 01:58 PM   #8753
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Kind of surprised Bovada doesnt have a bet on whether or not he will be convicted in their sportsbook. What do you think the odds would be listed at?
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Old 10-16-2019, 02:10 PM   #8754
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2Fr_vxeOmY

31/07/2019

32:00 taking a deep check in his lap during a bombpot hand

1:30:58 Excuse me, what the f is Mike clicking on here? It's his keys on the rail. He has vibrator smile on right before that. Can someone else check this please?

Yea he def clicked something... In regards to the laughing. Somebody suggested that someone relaying information with audio could make some jokes from time to time (bone conductor)
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Old 10-16-2019, 02:20 PM   #8755
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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1:41:30 EZ 5 way river re raise

2:04:20 Limp, bet, 3bet, cold call, flat, 4bet, and another 5 bet, and of course Postle calls it with JTs and flops a flush. WTF is this hand. Poor Firas guy is so pissed after this.

2:26:00 Another weird hand from this stream, multiway, donking, Postle stay in the hand with a questionable holding, then touches his head at 2:28:31 and folds 3rd pair allthough opponent bluffs with air (maybe this call would even to obvious for Postle here after this hand before against Firas). I mean, what is Mike here even thinking about calling here, honestly. 3rd pair after this playout.



3:55:00 Just one of those crazy raises again, this time already on the flop.

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Old 10-16-2019, 02:24 PM   #8756
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Yea he def clicked something... In regards to the laughing. Somebody suggested that someone relaying information with audio could make some jokes from time to time (bone conductor)
Are we *sure* he's not wearing a Lush and playing VATO?
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Old 10-16-2019, 02:48 PM   #8757
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1:41:30 EZ 5 way river re raise
He just called the river bet. The fold after his action was the guy folding 88, not the original bettor. The bettor and Postle went to showdown after a bet and call (no raises or re-raises).

Btw, if you click "Share" below the YouTube video, you can check the "Start at" checkbox and get a link to copy that will go straight to your paused location.
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Old 10-16-2019, 03:17 PM   #8758
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itd be hilarious if someone dressed up as Mike for halloween.
I found this closer view on his keys from Jaman's video.

https://youtu.be/bT1TfAo5ROA?t=188

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Old 10-16-2019, 03:19 PM   #8759
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The left image is the original image. The right image has a slight brightness adjustment.

9 of spades & 9 of clubs... aanddd... a 9 of spades on the turn?

I see two 4 of diamonds in that hand and the guy with the set of 4s folds. So probably a misread on a 4D in that hand?
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Old 10-16-2019, 03:22 PM   #8760
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...that's like asking fentanyl addicts to boycott cartels because cartels are killing ppl by lacing fentanyl with heroin...
Not that it really matters, but I belive it's the heroin that's laced with fentanyl, not the other way around.
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Old 10-16-2019, 03:30 PM   #8761
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31/07/2019



32:00 taking a deep check in his lap during a bombpot hand



1:30:58 Excuse me, what the f is Mike clicking on here? It's his keys on the rail. He has vibrator smile on right before that. Can someone else check this please?



Just a guess. Volume control for the bone conducting headphones?
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Old 10-16-2019, 03:39 PM   #8762
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I am somewhat convinced that Mike has somehow altered his Nissan key fob to emit wireless signals to a teledildonic device lodged deep into his anal cavity in order to periodically self-administer anal vibrations.
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Old 10-16-2019, 03:41 PM   #8763
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Not that it really matters, but I belive it's the heroin that's laced with fentanyl, not the other way around.
Ah yeah, that makes much more sense. Such a sad epidemic and the government isn't really doing anything about it.
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Old 10-16-2019, 04:15 PM   #8764
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I see two 4 of diamonds in that hand and the guy with the set of 4s folds. So probably a misread on a 4D in that hand?
That looks like something that Matt Berkey said could not happen. When there was another hand where there were two Kc's, it was explained away by someone that it was because the hand was left over from the player in that position in previous hand (and it was insta-mucked preflop, so we never got to see what it "truly" was because the software didn't have time to update it). In this case, it's the first streamed hand of the night, so we can't tell what that seat had in the previous hand, but this one wasn't insta-mucked pre. It made it all the way to the flop before it got folded and still showed two 4d's in the hand.

Whatever is happening, it's not a good look for the reliability of the system. There is no reason for someone to be changing the graphics on this hand, so it does bring into question the hole cards on other hands, especially when Postle claims that the cards shown on the stream were incorrect.
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Old 10-16-2019, 04:23 PM   #8765
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I see two 4 of diamonds in that hand and the guy with the set of 4s folds. So probably a misread on a 4D in that hand?
Yeah, russell folds 94 on the flop. Postle folds pair of 7's on the flop.
There was a 4 of diamonds in russells hand, and a 4 of diamonds on the flop.
That hand the Bryan had wasn't AK but really it was either K4 or Q4.

The whole thing is messed up.The graphics don't show what is going on, the commentators don't know what's going on (and they even say they don't know).
At this point I dunno if I believe anything that I see at all on this show lol
Maybe I'm wrong about the 9's, maybe things that are red show as grey for no reason randomly, whatever, it barely matters.
I dunno how anyone could have been watching these when they were on, it's almost unwatchable, as a normal poker game.
The only reason they are watchable now is to see how bizarrely messed up they are, to find those oddities, or to do some detective work & figure out what is going on, or just to laugh at it.

The more I watch it, the more it feels like they arn't even playing a real game, like the guy in the other thread said. Maybe if you watch too many of them, it drives you mad, maybe these videos should come with a health warning! lol
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Old 10-16-2019, 04:29 PM   #8766
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I don’t think his keys have anything to do with anything.
I think he’s just staring at a live feed on the phone. That’s all he needs anyways.
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Old 10-16-2019, 04:43 PM   #8767
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I am somewhat convinced that Mike has somehow altered his Nissan key fob to emit wireless signals to a teledildonic device lodged deep into his anal cavity in order to periodically self-administer anal vibrations.
teledildonic ftw!
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Old 10-16-2019, 04:44 PM   #8768
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If I was a reg a stones I’d put this on a shirt for lolz
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Old 10-16-2019, 05:01 PM   #8769
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I see two 4 of diamonds in that hand and the guy with the set of 4s folds. So probably a misread on a 4D in that hand?
The hand tabled is 9c 9d, what's the issue here?
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Old 10-16-2019, 05:28 PM   #8770
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The hand tabled is 9c 9d, what's the issue here?
ok, for fun then, what cards has Mark tabled here?
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Old 10-16-2019, 05:48 PM   #8771
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It's this guy http://www.coronadonewsca.com/obitua...9b05afc3f.html


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Old 10-16-2019, 05:53 PM   #8772
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Old 10-16-2019, 06:19 PM   #8773
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I'm not really expecting to get a full view of an app. I'm instead looking for partial visual clues in combination with analyzing touch gestures and matching those to major UI elements in common apps. Naturally I've also been comparing his home screen icons between sessions as well.
This may help you. Get a pretty good look at his phone here and you can see him pressing something on the screen and the screen collapsing back to the upper left app. Starts at 0:50:00

https://youtu.be/hu4n0Sis8Fg

This would be a great one to see on a casino security camera - it's possible he's in the app showing hole cards

Edit: Check out 50:55 too. Clearly presses the upper left app and is back to the same screen. Appears to be a black square he's pressing on to exit the screen in both clips.

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Old 10-16-2019, 06:29 PM   #8774
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This may help you. Get a pretty good look at his phone here and you can see him pressing something on the screen and the screen collapsing back to the upper left app. Starts at 0:50:00

https://youtu.be/hu4n0Sis8Fg

This would be a great one to see on a casino security camera - it's possible he's in the app showing hole cards
I was just watching i think either the august 10th or 18th 2018 stream and mike was in seat 1. He definitely hits an app in the upper left hand corner of the screen then immediately puts phone in the crotch for full god mode. What app is in that top left corner of screen for his phone during all of august 2018. If we can find one good shot at the app in top left corner of screen we might be able to pin point this down!
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Old 10-16-2019, 06:51 PM   #8775
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The hand tabled is 9c 9d, what's the issue here?
The issue with the 99 hand was put to rest. The problem here is that the graphics show the 4 of diamonds both in someone’s hand and on the flop. It is evidence that indeed the hole cards can be registered (or at least displayed) incorrectly, which is troubling because that was Postle’s defense on at least one of the hands he played in a questionable manner. It has been said/demonstrated by Matt Berkey that this isn’t possible with this technology unless someone manually changed the graphics. Why would that have happened on this hand? It just appears to be a system failure.

It stands to reason that if there are hands like this that we know are displayed incorrectly because it shows two of the same card, then there are likely other hands where the graphics are wrong and we don’t know and can’t tell. It’s even possible that some of Postle’s hands that surely look like couldn’t have been played that way without cheating are actually because the hand is displayed incorrectly. It at least has to be considered or else we’re willfully only seeing the data we want to see to support our viewpoint.
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