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Old 10-05-2019, 12:56 AM   #3651
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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I have been spending a lot of time going through the streams to determine which ones Mike was cheating and which ones he was not. I listed out all the sessions Mike played since 12/17/18, and marked them as cheating or not cheating (I've only gone through about half of them). I only marked them cheating or not cheating if there was multiple instances which indicated to me 100% definitive evidence, so you will see some marked as "nothing 100% definitive". I have also listed the known whereabouts of Justin Kuraitis and Taylor Smith at the times of these sessions.

12/17/18 - Cheating
1/7/19 - Cheating (Justin in Bahamas)
1/9/19 - (Justin in Bahamas?)
1/12/19 - (Justin in Bahamas?)
1/19/19 -
1/30/19 -
2/9/19 -
2/16/19 -
2/25/19 -
2/27/19 -
3/9/19 -
3/13/19 -
3/16/19 - Cheating (Justin in commentary booth until 3:14:00, at which point he leaves and is replaced by Taylor)
3/25/19 -
4/8/19 -
4/20/19 -
4/22/19 -
4/30/19 -
5/4/19 -
5/8/19 -
5/18/19 -
5/20/19 - Cheating
6/1/19 - Not Cheating (Justin in Vegas, Taylor in commentary booth)
6/3/19 - Not Cheating (Justin in Vegas, Taylor in Vegas?)
6/15/19 - Not Cheating (Justin in Vegas, Taylor in Vegas?)
6/17/19 - Not Cheating (Justin in Vegas, Taylor in Vegas?)
7/8/19 - Not Cheating (Justin in Vegas, Taylor in Vegas?)
7/20/19 - Cheating
7/22/19 - Cheating
7/24/19 - Not Cheating
7/31/19 - Cheating (Justin in Australia? Not sure if he left yet)
8/3/19 - Not Cheating (Justin in Australia)
8/7/19 - Not Cheating (Justin in Australia)
8/14/19 - Nothing 100% Definitive (Justin is seen in the room but he may be busy and only helping at certain times)
8/17/19 - Not Cheating
8/21/19 - Not 100% Definitive (Justin is seen in the room but he may be busy and only helping at certain times)
9/9/19 - Nothing 100% Definitive
9/18/19 - Not Cheating
9/21/19 - Nothing 100% Definitive

Given that Mike stops cheating when Justin leaves for Vegas, and begins cheating again immediately after he returns, I assumed Mike needed Justin around in order to cheat. However, to my surprise, I found that Mike was still able to cheat while Justin was in the Bahamas on 1/7/19. It was at this point I began to suspect that a 3rd person was involved, but I was not sure who it was. There had been talk of this Taylor guy who had been involved in the changing of the graphics after some suspect hands, but I didn't see any concrete evidence that he was involved in the cheating. Then I started going through the stream on 3/16/19 in which Mike is cheating for the entire length of the session. Justin is in the commentary booth for the first 3:14:00 of the stream, at which point he is replaced by Taylor for the rest of the stream. Seems likely that Taylor was relaying information to Mike while Justin was in the booth, and then they switched roles for the last portion of the stream.


Most convincing evidence implicating Justin:
I was watching a stream on 8/29/18 in which Justin was commentating. Throughout the whole episode, I didn't find a single example where I thought Mike was clearly cheating based on his play. I figured Justin would be in the booth for the entire stream, but to my surprise he dips out of the commentary booth from 3:22:00 to 3:48:00.
Justin leaves: https://youtu.be/GFQ531Y_KII?t=12120
Justin returns: https://youtu.be/GFQ531Y_KII?t=13680

I continued to watch the hands for anything suspicious, and something very interesting happens in a hand that takes place at the 3:54:00 mark (32 minutes after Justin leaves the commentary booth). Remember that the stream is on a 30-minute delay, meaning that in real time this hand actually occurs 2 minutes after Justin leaves the booth. Also keep in mind that I did not see any plays or mannerisms from Mike prior to this that indicated to me that he was cheating. Take note of how Mike presses down on his hat, points to his cards on the turn, and makes an incorrect value bet on the river because of RFID reader not picking up his opponent's cards (opponent has T9). Below is the link to the hand. Note - you may be confused watching this because Justin is in the commentary booth on the stream, but he was not in the booth 30 minutes before when the hand is actually taking place.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFQ5...utu.be&t=14040


Most convincing evidence implicating Taylor:
As I noted above, here is the stream where Justin is commentating and is replaced by Taylor at the 3:14:00 mark (Mike is cheating for entire stream):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t59ddLJv6mo


Other things to note:
There has been a lot of discussion lately about Mike's keys on the table and his wristband. I noticed that during June when Mike was not cheating, his keys were still on the table and he was wearing the same wristband.

Mike has as much information about the hole cards as the viewers of the stream do. I have seen a couple of examples while Mike is cheating where he makes an incorrect river decision because the stream RFID reader did not pick up his opponent's cards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFQ5...utu.be&t=14040 (same hand as above)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQuQ...utu.be&t=13694
Feel free to add any information you have about times when Justin or Taylor were out of town.
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Old 10-05-2019, 12:57 AM   #3652
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That was a terrible interview. Got high. Couldn’t get out questions. Interrupted him. Didn’t press obvious lies. Did 0 prep work. What an embarrassment to the poker community.
@themouthmatusow : I know that different angles can show different things and different, you know the way the lighting hits or whatever, but...have you seen pictures of the hat thing going around?

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Old 10-05-2019, 12:57 AM   #3653
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The audit was LED BY JFK. The investigation was led by the main suspect, that's why the simplest explanation is that the person who ran the stream, and led the investigation into the security of the stream, and has desperately tried to downplay the accusations, is in the inside man. Every theory that has an innocent JFK involves ridiculous hoops to sneak around JFK. Every theory that involves guilty JFK is simple - JFK fed the info to Postle and JFK wasn't accountable to anyone.
I can't imagine the incompetence of a technical team on a stream that wouldn't detect unauthorized access points to their systems over a period of 12+ months.

Also, JFK's involvement is the easiest to prove or disprove: show us the thorough security audit that was done when the initial allegations of cheating occurred. So Stones will know immediately what is up, just by asking for that audit. He also mentions they have an outside company do an audit every 3 months. So again, let's see the detailed results, including who from Stones assisted the outside auditors.

I still believe this is the work of more than 1 accomplice, based on the time and complexity of this hack.
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Old 10-05-2019, 01:00 AM   #3654
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

All I can think of hearing this interview...

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Old 10-05-2019, 01:01 AM   #3655
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Matusow and Postle yuck it up about the crotch looking issue; Matusow says he can't understand why that's damning, then Postle admits 30 seconds later: "I'm on my phone more than anyone"

This podcast is seriously doing zero favors for Postle. Unreal
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Old 10-05-2019, 01:03 AM   #3656
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ohh, you see guys, the calling with 54 off was all a bet he had with a friend where they pick a hand and the first time he gets it no matter what he has to see a flop with it. The hand for the night for that night just happen to be 54. That's why he called the 2 other all ins with 54 off. Perfectly reasonable explanation. I'm sold!
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Old 10-05-2019, 01:03 AM   #3657
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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I can't imagine the incompetence of a technical team on a stream that wouldn't detect unauthorized access points to their systems over a period of 12+ months.
Really? I figured this was just a small time operation. I'm surprised anyone on the team knows anything about security at all. I would also think that both JFK and Taylor would be authorized access to this system. JFK is the man in charge ffs.
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Old 10-05-2019, 01:05 AM   #3658
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First of all a single video stream is not an unusual amount of data, and it could have been mirrored to a random cloud endpoint (not in the casino) that Mike's phone reached out to.
Serious question: I had thought casinos were air gapped, with the exception of authorized ports that could send/receive data outside of the casino, but these would be heavily monitored, requiring multiple level of approvals. Is that not true? So any employee can just mirror a stream from a casino to a "random cloud endpoint" outside of the casino? That's insane.
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Old 10-05-2019, 01:10 AM   #3659
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The Mouth "They're wrong about Trump all the time so they must be wrong about you"


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Old 10-05-2019, 01:12 AM   #3660
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

I've been looking through some of the PLO/mixed games streams and found a pretty interesting hand where Mike essentially admits to cheating check this out. Theyre switching among NLH,PLO and 08 every orbit. This is the first hand of the PLO orbit after NLH. The graphics don't update to PLO though so they only pick of 2/4 hole cards.



Mike confirms in his interview at the end that his other 2 cards are KcTc. His opponent never shows but doesnt have a 10. Mike is so frustrated during the hand because he ONLY has access to 2/4 of his opponent's cards. He's legit pissed that he can't see all 4 lol. Look at how many times he looks at his phone during this hand. Just keeps checking to see if the stream is fixed. Does this 10 times in the hand. Finally calls river and his opponent mucks so we never see the other 2 cards.

Now here's where it gets interesting....Mike goes in the booth at the end of the stream to commentate for 5 minutes.

The first thing he asks is "so what happened with that PLO hand?" and references that only 2 of the cards were shown. This doesn't make any sense. How would he know that the graphics weren't displaying correctly? And why would he even care, the other 2 cards are irrelevant. He was aggressively playing the nut fd and bluffed river when he missed. The only possible explanation would be that Mike was watching the 30 minute delayed stream on twitch. Scroll forward to 30 minutes after the hand takes place and Mike doesn't appear to be watching on his phone. He also leaves the table. Also it makes no sense that Mike would want to rewatch this hand to see what his opponent had. He called his bet and showed his hand first. If he cared that much, he couldve made opponent show first.

Full Video https://youtu.be/mBTJkgd7YsQ?t=13544
Timestamps
3:45:30 hand begins
4:15:00-4:18:00 when Mike could watch the delayed stream on his phone
4:29:45 Mike enters the commentary booth and talks about the hand

Last it appears that his $250k in winnings ppl keep referencing from the data by JS84 doesn't include PLO or mixed games. I've started going through the non NLH streams to calculate his winnings here and it appears this number could be closer to $300k. I will post the full data for 2019 as soon as I'm done. I'm just spending a lot of time on each of these streams lol there is some interesting stuff and it's not as clear which sessions he is superusing in.
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Old 10-05-2019, 01:13 AM   #3661
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The Mouth "They're wrong about Trump all the time so they must be wrong about you"


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Yeah seriously. Matusow tried to play the "this is just a witch hunt" card wihout having the slightest idea why people are so up in arms about it. Ridiculous interview.
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Old 10-05-2019, 01:14 AM   #3662
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Matusow brings up the infamous Postle 96 hand where he raises on the river and there's the RFID controversy. Matusow admits he hasn't actually seen the hand and only that a friend told him about it. Matusow doesn't mention the specific river play, or the RFID card change issue, etc.

Postle quickly brushes it off, says he doesn't know the hand Matusow's talking about, and the two move on. No mention at all of the RFID controversy at this point or any other point in the hour interview.

What a total joke of an interview, and what a serious liar Postle is.
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Old 10-05-2019, 01:16 AM   #3663
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I can't imagine the incompetence of a technical team on a stream that wouldn't detect unauthorized access points to their systems over a period of 12+ months.
I've been a network infrastructure engineer for over a decade, my longest tenure was at Google but also worked at a defense contractor and tons of startups, so I have a lot more authority on this topic than I do at poker. At absolutely none of those organizations would a random internal employee sending out one video stream to a random endpoint get flagged unless they were already under high suspicion. There would be nothing "unauthorized" about anything. You have an internal network, the devices on that internal network are reaching out to all sorts of points on the internet for all sorts of valid reasons.

I agree that if, an internal employee decided to personally investigate JFK, and they either had access to the main computer or ran another computer in promiscuous mode to sniff the network traffic, they might notice the machine reaching out to a weird endpoint. They might, they also might not because computers are talking to all sorts of random **** on the internet all the time, but they might. But that would be a ton of forensics that would not typically be run on an internal employee. And there's zero reason to believe that JFK was being monitored to this extent. JFK was the watchmen, nobody was there to watch the watchmen.

OR, forget this whole stupid debate, let's just give you that this mirroring is complex and detectable, fine. In that case, JFK just watched the stream and sent Signal messages. That actually sounds way simpler anyway.

The key thing you seem to be missing, again and again, is that JFK LED THE INVESTIGATION. You keep acting like an expert team of external auditors craked down on JFK and carefully monitored everything he did while Postle was a superuser, and there's zero reason to believe that happened since literally everybody so far has said they raised concerns to JFK and JFK turned around and claimed there was an internal investigation done and it turned up nothing. The obvious conclusion is that JFK investigated himself and shockingly, did not find himself guilty.


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He also mentions they have an outside company do an audit every 3 months. So again, let's see the detailed results, including who from Stones assisted the outside auditors.
If you're JFK, you're sending Signal messages, or have the main box configured to mirror to a cloud endpoint, when the outside company shows up you just stop doing that, then you start doing it again when they leave. There would be no record that you did this unless you're a huge moron. It's really not that complicated. Unless they can show there was an external company there whlie Postle was a superuser which I highly doubt.

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I still believe this is the work of more than 1 accomplice, based on the time and complexity of this hack.
I absolutely think there could be more accomplices, but I really don't think there needs to be. It's not a complicated operation, at all. JFK is sitting there watching the stream and typing into Signal the hole cards to Postle, what part of that is complicated, at all? All the complicated **** assumes that JFK is innocent and actually investigating his own livestream which wasn't the case.

Everybody is coming up with these insane James Bond heist operation theories when it literally could have just been, JFK watching the stream and sending Signal messagse to Postle, then later JFK talking to Postle's bluetooth hat. And nobody watching JFK while Postle was a superuser. There is no reason to overthink it all so much.
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Old 10-05-2019, 01:17 AM   #3664
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Mike the Mouth on live with Joey right now.

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Old 10-05-2019, 01:18 AM   #3665
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Mike's only hope is he acted alone. Which I highly, highly doubt. He has a chance of beating this with a good lawyer. Especially if he didn't cheat the IRS on his winnings.

If he had help, it's going to be super easy for Stones to uncover what happened. It was all recorded, I assume they still have all of the camera feeds, they have the security audits, everything. Assuming it will be a true investigation, his accomplices are screwed.

Which means they are going to talk to reduce their liability, perhaps even to avoid (or reduce) prison time. So Mike is 100% screwed if he had any help at that casino. He's not going to talk his way out of this.
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Old 10-05-2019, 01:18 AM   #3666
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Has his story of not taking any profit on the 45vAkvAk hand been validated? Should be pretty easy to see on stream?
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Old 10-05-2019, 01:26 AM   #3667
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Has his story of not taking any profit on the 45vAkvAk hand been validated? Should be pretty easy to see on stream?
https://youtu.be/yK4aWk93ug4?t=11551

yeah seems accurate. You can see moneymaker etc with stacks not pushed in and the dealer only chopping the dead money 3 ways.
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Old 10-05-2019, 01:27 AM   #3668
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Joey getting roasted by Mikes girl lol
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Old 10-05-2019, 01:28 AM   #3669
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I've been a network infrastructure engineer for over a decade, my longest tenure was at Google but also worked at a defense contractor and tons of startups, so I have a lot more authority on this topic than I do at poker. At absolutely none of those organizations would a random internal employee sending out one video stream to a random endpoint get flagged unless they were already under high suspicion. There would be nothing "unauthorized" about anything. You have an internal network, the devices on that internal network are reaching out to all sorts of points on the internet for all sorts of valid reasons.
I have worked in highly secure environments (fully air gapped, no phone, cameras, etc.), although not as a network engineer. I had assumed core casino systems (including surveillance, e.g. CCTV) were fully air gapped. And those systems that did allow outside access (obviously required for a streaming broadcast) were separated from core, but heavily monitored. I would think a casino would want to know - and would audit often - what comes in and out of that casino. Which is why I thought a good technical person would be required to help mask what was happening (or fake a security audit).

Again, perhaps my assumptions are incorrect.
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Old 10-05-2019, 01:29 AM   #3670
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Joey getting roasted by Mikes girl lol
"Shut up Honey!" Classic stuff.
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Old 10-05-2019, 01:29 AM   #3671
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Joey getting roasted by Mikes girl lol
that was amazing
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Old 10-05-2019, 01:30 AM   #3672
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of course Mike has a crazy drunken nutcase of a woman shouting in the background.
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Old 10-05-2019, 01:30 AM   #3673
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Brilliant.
He should hire him to be his attorney.

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Old 10-05-2019, 01:37 AM   #3674
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I've been very open to the idea of that cheating device that reads cards out loud, and them sending it to his head. I made a bunch of posts yesterday being all mind_blown over it saying I think that all makes sense (the James Bond style cheating), in conjunction with him having holecard info in his phone.

If he does have that cheating device, then that's the information that is relayed to his headphones, and he has holecards in the phone between his legs.

It really does explain many things; like how godly he runs in all-ins. And the need for the headset in his cap. Also: that bracelet he had is really ****ing sketchy. Postle doesn't exactly strike me as the kind of guy who wears a black tight bracelet half-way up his forearm for fashion, you know. I think he's running the combo-mega-scam: Holecards in phone relayed from RFID room, card reader into headphones. With the accomplice who works at the poker room it would be easy for them to mark the deck of RFID cards for the bond-hack-thingy (because that's how it worked, right? You mark a deck? Or is it a custom deck?) - the RFID cards are not swapped since they are expensive, so would be easy for an insider.
Could easily be getting calls from his co-conspirer from a spoofed ID with his opponents holdings. Have the phone voice assistant (siri) have it come in like a normal call announced to his bonespeaker whatever thing.
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Old 10-05-2019, 01:39 AM   #3675
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Postle claimed to only won about half as much

So you only tied potripper. That sure helps your case.
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