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Old 10-05-2019, 10:11 AM   #3851
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This is my first post ever and not sure if these devices have been been mentioned but they have some crazy Chinese cheating devices that i have seen in person and they can make u a deck of personalized cards and program specific to use on 100s of games with diff devices to use to relay which seat is will be winber of the hand and whos in second place and so in. Just throwing this out there if its not been mentioned.
No. It makes no sense when comparing that to the hands played out.

He's getting holecards, not who'd have the best hand on the river

You do realize this whole thing centers around that it's a livestreamed game, right? That sort of cheating would be done off a damn stream. If your cheating method didn't rely on the videostream, why would you do it on a videostream? Think a little lol
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Old 10-05-2019, 10:12 AM   #3852
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This is my first post ever and not sure if these devices have been been mentioned but they have some crazy Chinese cheating devices that i have seen in person and they can make u a deck of personalized cards and program specific to use on 100s of games with diff devices to use to relay which seat is will be winber of the hand and whos in second place and so in. Just throwing this out there if its not been mentioned.
It's also easy to speak in code with people at the table.

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Old 10-05-2019, 10:13 AM   #3853
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I am a little offended the let him out to dry in that PLO hand knowing only 2 of the 4 cards.



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Old 10-05-2019, 10:13 AM   #3854
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The lines this guy takes in some of the hands on video are just lol not realistic. I feel like if you are going to cheat on a stream, wouldn’t the right play be to make it look realistic and not win as some extreme win rate that isn’t likely over a longer run.
You have to be really blatant about it to make $1000/hour at 2/5. It might not be worth it if it were subtler.

Maybe similar things go on at high stakes televised games but are subtler.
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Old 10-05-2019, 10:14 AM   #3855
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HAHAHAHA
that genuine fk i run bad reaction on the turn
https://youtu.be/eiXGr92uQGU?t=16029
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Old 10-05-2019, 10:16 AM   #3856
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"Michael Buble" - Very interesting find regarding Taylor.

I would love to see an analysis regarding if Mike can ever be found cheating while Taylor is in the booth (accounting for the half hour delay).

If not a single instance can be found, then we might just have our accomplice.

I agree that Mike cheating while Justin was gone in the Bahamas would seem to exonerate him, or at least make it less likely he was in on it.

It is possible that Justin knows at this point what really happened but is keeping quiet, in order to save Stones, its rep, and his own rep.
I think Justin’s handling of the first “thorough investigation” is incredibly circumspect. Mike claimed he was never interviewed. Mike was never suspended pending review. It’s really hard to understand that. And yet Justin was later quick to dismiss any insinuation of cheating with his aforementioned “thorough review.”

Strange to say the least.
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Old 10-05-2019, 10:29 AM   #3857
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Do people here think he ever will admit to cheating + we will find out what actually happened?

The lines this guy takes in some of the hands on video are just lol not realistic. I feel like if you are going to cheat on a stream, wouldn’t the right play be to make it look realistic and not win as some extreme win rate that isn’t likely over a longer run.

The espn piece makes a great point. If someone was crushing a game at such a high rate..... you think they would move up. Even if your winrate decreased a lot due to tougher players, etc.... it still would most likely be more profitable to play at higher stakes especially if you play like god.
Yeah I worry about this. He and whoever his accomplice is just deny forever and any criminal prosecution falls apart and he just fades into obscurity ... Maybe he gets sued but it looks like he's a Degen so doubt he pays much.
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Old 10-05-2019, 10:31 AM   #3858
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Man, that is sus!
Bro, he just got dinged up a little at the barber here.
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Old 10-05-2019, 10:33 AM   #3859
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in the mixed game video from may 6th 2019.

https://youtu.be/mBTJkgd7YsQ?t=15854


LOOK AT HIM, CLEARLY LOOKING AT HIS CROTCH MAD SUSPECT


THEN OBV BULLY BLUFF SHOVES THE RIVER
how do i make this 3 second part a gif? looks like he just got caught jerking off
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Old 10-05-2019, 10:46 AM   #3860
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in the mixed game video from may 6th 2019.

https://youtu.be/mBTJkgd7YsQ?t=15854


LOOK AT HIM, CLEARLY LOOKING AT HIS CROTCH MAD SUSPECT


THEN OBV BULLY BLUFF SHOVES THE RIVER
Wait, Justin K is out of the booth EXACTLY 30minutes before this hand (ie when the hand takes place in real time Justin is not in the commentary booth but somewhere else). He's in the booth before and after that..
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Old 10-05-2019, 10:59 AM   #3861
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As per earlier posts, a civil lawsuit filed on behalf of players who lost money in the Stones Live stream when Postle was playing may be in the works. It's premature to conclude that nothing will happen to the perpetrators beyond stained reputations.
Yes, but...it's Stones that is on the line for money for the very good reason that Stones has money. There was a previous case where the guy said something like "I took this money and I'm not planning to make it good." And pretty much nothing happened to him. With that in mind, the smart thing for Stones is to say "We take our security and reputation seriously. We want everyone to know that WE were scammed and WE will take responsibility by paying off the losers." This will cost them less than the lawyers to defend the case.
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Old 10-05-2019, 11:02 AM   #3862
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

There seems to be an easy way to prove this all out, no? Postle agrees to play a 5 session 1 week series at Live at the Bike and the line up includes some of those from Stones he cheated like Berky, Marle, and Hanson. Add in Garrett and a few other big game regulars and play out the 5 session series. Whatever stakes GOD wants 1/3, 2/5, 5/5 whatever. Rules for the game. no hats, no keys, no phones. Play 5-4 hour sessions we can see the cards and the play and then if his play or stats or instincts are anywhere close to his "streak" he will have proven to the world that he was not cheating. BTW he will NEVER agree to this.
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Old 10-05-2019, 11:11 AM   #3863
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Can anyone find hands where he donks off some stacks with any sort of crazy plays?
No. Welcome to the thread.
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Old 10-05-2019, 11:12 AM   #3864
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

There doesn't seem to be enough evidence to confidently nail Justin to being in on this.
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Old 10-05-2019, 11:13 AM   #3865
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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I honestly think the bigger question that needs answered here is why are cheaters, angle shooters, scam artists, deadbeats and just general pieces of **** are allowed to do the things they do in the poker community with absolutely zero repercussions either legally of from the community?
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most of the scams , staking deals gone wrong etc are only tangentially breaking the law. So who would prosecute.

Very specific laws in CA Penal code were broken if any sort of device was used to expose cards in CA Card Room. As was mentioned in another post above, Fed laws also broken if above is true and people conspired.

Does any one think numnuts paid his taxes on his now documented 250K gambling winnings in 2018. IRS is ruthless. Of all his upcoming problems, this one by far the worst for him.


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It's premature to conclude that nothing will happen to the perpetrators beyond stained reputations.
qft. CGCB gas egg all over their face. I doubt they let this go with a simple fine.
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Old 10-05-2019, 11:20 AM   #3866
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Where is Taylor during these sessions?

Is graphics guy workstation setup near the commentators booth?
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Old 10-05-2019, 11:23 AM   #3867
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Where is Taylor during these sessions?

Is graphics guy workstation setup near the commentators booth?
Literally a curtain between them



edit: The graphic workstation is behind the curtain in the commentary booth
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Old 10-05-2019, 11:23 AM   #3868
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HAHAHAHA
that genuine fk i run bad reaction on the turn (river too)
https://youtu.be/eiXGr92uQGU?t=16029


commentary is lol too like "can he find a f.... no ofc he can't fold" etc
After Mike calls the river he barely looks at the villain's cards to know he's beat. He makes a quick glance but reacts too quickly to have genuinely just learned the guy made a straight.
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Old 10-05-2019, 11:24 AM   #3869
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Where is Taylor during these sessions?

Is graphics guy workstation setup near the commentators booth?

Soto and Berkey in the last S4Y Vlog said they are in the same booth/room, with just a curtain between them.



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Old 10-05-2019, 11:24 AM   #3870
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HAHAHAHA
that genuine fk i run bad reaction on the turn (river too)
https://youtu.be/eiXGr92uQGU?t=16029
When you flop top pair, turn top two pair, and want to go kick your dog.

FIVE STARS!
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Old 10-05-2019, 11:25 AM   #3871
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Literally a curtain between them

she says "the tech is right behind commentary"


dont know what tech means
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Old 10-05-2019, 11:26 AM   #3872
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she says "the tech is right behind commentary"


dont know what tech means
Technician, the guy handling the technical aspects of the production.
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Old 10-05-2019, 11:32 AM   #3873
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Ok that's what I assumed.
JFK is clearly in on it, just wondering if any other accomplices.


That 2pair hand vs straight is ridiculous. his reaction on the turn lol. Why did he payoff the river? feel like this greedy shmuck would have no problem making crazy hero folds
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Old 10-05-2019, 11:39 AM   #3874
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Im just damn proud of Mike M. for getting clean and having a well prepped coherent interview. This man is clearly on top of his game.

also the QT hand is in fact pure gold!!
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Old 10-05-2019, 11:43 AM   #3875
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I've been looking through some of the PLO/mixed games streams and found a pretty interesting hand where Mike essentially admits to cheating check this out. Theyre switching among NLH,PLO and 08 every orbit. This is the first hand of the PLO orbit after NLH. The graphics don't update to PLO though so they only pick of 2/4 hole cards.







Mike confirms in his interview at the end that his other 2 cards are KcTc. His opponent never shows but doesnt have a 10. Mike is so frustrated during the hand because he ONLY has access to 2/4 of his opponent's cards. He's legit pissed that he can't see all 4 lol. Look at how many times he looks at his phone during this hand. Just keeps checking to see if the stream is fixed. Does this 10 times in the hand. Finally calls river and his opponent mucks so we never see the other 2 cards.



Now here's where it gets interesting....Mike goes in the booth at the end of the stream to commentate for 5 minutes.



The first thing he asks is "so what happened with that PLO hand?" and references that only 2 of the cards were shown. This doesn't make any sense. How would he know that the graphics weren't displaying correctly? And why would he even care, the other 2 cards are irrelevant. He was aggressively playing the nut fd and bluffed river when he missed. The only possible explanation would be that Mike was watching the 30 minute delayed stream on twitch. Scroll forward to 30 minutes after the hand takes place and Mike doesn't appear to be watching on his phone. He also leaves the table. Also it makes no sense that Mike would want to rewatch this hand to see what his opponent had. He called his bet and showed his hand first. If he cared that much, he couldve made opponent show first.



Full Video https://youtu.be/mBTJkgd7YsQ?t=13544

Timestamps

3:45:30 hand begins

4:15:00-4:18:00 when Mike could watch the delayed stream on his phone

4:29:45 Mike enters the commentary booth and talks about the hand



Last it appears that his $250k in winnings ppl keep referencing from the data by JS84 doesn't include PLO or mixed games. I've started going through the non NLH streams to calculate his winnings here and it appears this number could be closer to $300k. I will post the full data for 2019 as soon as I'm done. I'm just spending a lot of time on each of these streams lol there is some interesting stuff and it's not as clear which sessions he is superusing in.
SUPER interesting thing here too is that Kermit is in seat 5 during this hand. I was not aware that he'd played on the stream, let alone with Mike.

Kermit is the local minority owner of the casino. (The majority owners are part of an entrepreneurial real estate development group down in La Jolla who provided most of the capital and expertise to redevelop the Stones property and migrate the gaming licenses from the 2 cardrooms that were already in the city.) He does, or at least used to, have managerial powers, and is effectively the ultimate guy in charge of Stones on a local level although he doesn't do day-to-day operations.

You can see in the 15 or so minutes before the hand in question that Kermit is standing by the table behind Hollywood. He does have what looks like some friendly exchanges with Mike before they expand the table to 9-handed to let him sit down.

No, I can't conceive that Kermit is/was in on anything. On the one hand, he partly enjoys his good fortune simply by virtue of holding a gaming license before a moratorium on new licenses went into effect. He would never have had the means or vision to create Stones on his own. On the other hand, he is a businessman, and while friendly, he truly is a no-nonsense guy with actual business sense. He's nowhere close to an idiot.

So no, there's absolutely zero way he had any idea anything was going on. You don't risk your entire business and entire personal fortune (he'd be sued into the ground by the other owners if he were in on it) just to help some guy bank what Mike did.

What makes this super interesting to me though is that it shows that an owner knew who Mike was before all this, has played in the streamed game, and has specifically played with Mike. Presumably, he should have a very real personal interest and sense of outrage over what's going on, rather than simply a business concern.

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