Modern Era NBA Build a Franchise Draft Discussion - Let's Get'er Done - Page 298 - Sporting Events and Fantasy Sports

Igoudala, JJ, and KMArt are 3 of several young wing players from today's current NBA who I think could have a ton of potential in this format (the first two because of their secondary skills and KMart because he could be the next Reggie) and I was curious where they were going; fwiw I like all 3 picks. maybe I am just biased for today's era.

the rest have some question marks and I am wondering if there will be a run soon now that a precedent has been set.

Quote

05-26-2008 , 06:50 PM

#7427

TheQuietAnarchist

Formerly xorbie

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 22,826

Quote:

Originally Posted by battschr

Did I really get the worst out of that group in Dale Ellis?

I thought KMart would have really sick on your squad since you can at least use Pip to defend the other team's good wing player. Dale Ellis is also a real good fit though, I'd much rather have him than a guy like JJ on that particular squad.

Quote

05-26-2008 , 06:50 PM

#7428

KLJ

20k hands/day

Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 5,701

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobboFitos

Again, being the NBA junky i am, i saw a bunch of kings games. Kevin Martin is near elite offensively. He was their #1 option, and I'm not quite sold he can be a #1 yet, with Epi he is the 2 or 3, which is fantastic. The kings weren't really a good defensive team, and the problems stemmed from Martin and weak PG play, since the 3-4-5 were all actually quite fine (in sum) defensively.

yeah, exactly.

the point i was trying to make is that i feel like its clear from watching even just a handful of games (although i saw more, ****ING KINGS) that KM is a very, very good offensive 2/3 option, but not a potential 1st option that i feel like others thought. put him with a passing big and i think he's even more effective (he's quick off backcuts and curls because they have to respect the pop-out jumper)

Quote

05-26-2008 , 06:50 PM

#7429

EPiPeN11

banned

Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 18,605

Quote:

Originally Posted by KLJ

Eddie Jones = Mark Aguirre
Alvin Robertson
.
Michael Redd
.
Joe Johnson
Michael Finley
Kevin Martin
Dale Ellis

imo.

No way does Eddie Jones = Mark Aguiree, Eddie was better at D, and a much better 3pt shooter (reason I have Aguirre so low). 3's are so important in this league because even great offensive players are going to not have the ball in their hands a lot of the time since we will have many scoring options.

I think Redd/Johnson/Martin are all really close to each other. I think Finley is a very slight step below.

Quote

05-26-2008 , 06:51 PM

#7430

nath

the second coming of the second coming

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 68,778

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobboFitos

I like Calderon, again, bc he addresses a need for your team, is incredibly low turnover, v good shooter, etc.

my thoughts exactly. this team is gonna put up sick pts/poss. even if i reached for a dude, i don't care-- he fits this team so well.

Quote

05-26-2008 , 06:51 PM

#7431

ClarkNasty

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 35,397

I am shocked at how underrated Joe Johnson is in this thread. Dude is a bona fide stud.

Quote

05-26-2008 , 06:51 PM

#7432

BobboFitos

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 72,763

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franchise 60

I agree that Oakley is more of a role player. But he is a great role player who brings a lot to the table. He isn't great offensively, but he isn't a black hole and I will be fine with him scoring 12 or 14 points.

With all the great big man in the draft it was very important for me to get a great rebounder/defender down low.

No way he would have lasted until my next pick, so I had to pull the trigger. Good value, not insane value. Better pick than guys like Chandler and Biedrins though imo.

I don't agree he has more value than those two guys. I'm not really sold either way. What I do know though is you have the best PnR PG of all time, and you're starting a 4 man who can't roll and finish. This IMO is a problem, even if he helps buttress your defense.

Quote

05-26-2008 , 06:52 PM

#7433

KLJ

20k hands/day

Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 5,701

Quote:

Originally Posted by xorbie

yeah comparing JJ and Ellis is apples and oranges. out of the shooters, i think Ellis and Martin are comparable (edge to Martin because I'm from Sacramento). I like Alvin and Jones a lot more because of defense, and I like Finley more because of longevity and blackness.

Quote

05-26-2008 , 06:53 PM

#7434

TheQuietAnarchist

Formerly xorbie

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 22,826

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClarkNasty

I am shocked at how underrated Joe Johnson is in this thread. Dude is a bona fide stud.

People really like efficiency. I agree JJ is a beast, and him going so far after other guys is a bit odd. But then I've been saying the whole time that good scorers are actually a pretty valuable commodity so guys like Redd, etc. were good picks where they went.

Quote

05-26-2008 , 06:53 PM

#7435

EPiPeN11

banned

Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 18,605

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClarkNasty

I am shocked at how underrated Joe Johnson is in this thread. Dude is a bona fide stud.

Agreed, I was shocked when I was the only one who called the pick an absolute steal when it was made, I think JJ is mid 2nd round talent just like Martin was.

Quote

05-26-2008 , 06:53 PM

#7436

TheQuietAnarchist

Formerly xorbie

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 22,826

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobboFitos

Bobbo he can always run the PnR with a 5, I don't see how this is a problem.

Quote

05-26-2008 , 06:54 PM

#7437

KLJ

20k hands/day

Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 5,701

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobboFitos

+1, good player but not sold on the fit

he's one of the few guys in the league that im sure others literally feared

Quote

05-26-2008 , 06:56 PM

#7438

D104

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 18,255

Just back from the long Memo day weekend - lots of picks to analyze. Just at a glance, I'm not in love with any of them, some are good, a couple average, and big fat LOL at Al Horford. And this is coming from a UF alum. Seriously, worst pick of the draft. Bynum / Marbury are close tho.

D

Quote

05-26-2008 , 06:56 PM

#7439

AC-Cobra

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 5,207

Eddie Jones
Mark Aguirre
Joe Johnson
Michael Redd
Kevin Martin
Alvin Robertson
Michael Finley
Dale Ellis

My list from before with Martin stuck in, again I may be underrating Robertson. I think Johnson is better than Redd and Martin, the only slight on him I can think of is an attitude problem (guy didnt wanna have a legit shot at winning rings with Nash, did Nash secretly bone his and Marions sisters or something?).

Redd's durability and proven effectiveness as a No.1 (in fact the only option) on a team puts him above Martin for me.

Quote

05-26-2008 , 06:58 PM

#7440

Franchise 60

deliciously angry

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 42,744

Its pretty crazy to bring up the pnr stuff after 3 picks.

Oakley is a good fit on ANY team. Thats the whole point. If I picked a soft 4 here who could run the PnR my team would not be better than with Oakley.

Quote

05-26-2008 , 07:02 PM

#7441

KLJ

20k hands/day

Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 5,701

you don't have to PnR to be an effective team. its just that you won't be able to given what you have and what's available with Oakley at the 4. you can arguably play Oakley at the 5, but he's very small. what bobbo was saying is that not running the PnR eliminates some of the advantage of the Stockton pick, but its not like Stockton isn't a very, very good player regardless.

things that i think are underrated:
D12/hardaway/iguodala seems like a really fun, athletic team. pretty decent on defense also.
flyingmoose has three 4th rounders (wow?).

Quote

05-26-2008 , 07:03 PM

#7442

EPiPeN11

banned

Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 18,605

Quote:

Originally Posted by KLJ

flyingmoose has three 4th rounders (wow?).

This doesn't sound as good once u realize he had no 3rd rounder (hence one of his 4th rounders will have to make that up and that will be tough to make up 3rd round production) and another one of his 4th rounder is the last pick in the 4th round.

Quote

05-26-2008 , 07:04 PM

#7443

BobboFitos

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 72,763

Quote:

Originally Posted by battschr

Did I really get the worst out of that group in Dale Ellis?

Think of things relatively. Dale Ellis is a fine player, but I think compared to those other guys, there were better pick available. So it doesn't mean you made a poor choice, just means you potentially passed up a better choice. (IMO)

Quote

05-26-2008 , 07:04 PM

#7444

LurchySoprano

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 7,282

Literally have no idea what to do with this pick and I'm curious what the reaction will be, but I'm going to pick Antawn Jamison, write up coming now.

Quote

05-26-2008 , 07:06 PM

#7445

Franchise 60

deliciously angry

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 42,744

Jamison was one of my top choices. Nice pick.

Quote

05-26-2008 , 07:07 PM

#7446

Victor

banned

Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 73,070

Quote:

Originally Posted by KLJ

Eddie Jones = Mark Aguirre
Alvin Robertson
.
Michael Redd
.
Joe Johnson
Michael Finley
Kevin Martin
Dale Ellis

imo.

i like this one. i cant really rank robertson. but redd has to be above jj and kmart.

look at it this way, if jj and kmart continue at this level for hte next 5 yrs then they are super close to matching redds carerr. if they improve then they will be better than redd.

fwiw i was super close to taking kmart over tayshaun. in the end, ive seen tayshaun play a bunch and i just love his overall game and love that he fits with any team and style.

also, theres another guy i was seriously considering in this mix and im surprised he hasnt went. ill let yall know.

Quote

05-26-2008 , 07:08 PM

#7447

BobboFitos

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 72,763

Quote:

Originally Posted by xorbie

Bobbo he can always run the PnR with a 5, I don't see how this is a problem.

It's not a problem, yet. but it means he needs to get a 5 that can run the PnR, no?

Quote

05-26-2008 , 07:08 PM

#7448

KLJ

20k hands/day

Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 5,701

he was my 2nd best PF available, interesting that you're going to play him at the wing (i assume).

i would have traded my 5th/6th for your 3rd/10th if you were desperate

Quote

05-26-2008 , 07:08 PM

#7449

AC-Cobra

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 5,207

Eurgh, his stats seem good at times, but I generally dont like Antwan. Someone else said it a while ago and I agree, he's one of the worst "good" players in the league right now.