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Old 05-26-2008, 06:25 PM   #7376
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Nice, love seeing the picks made. Kevin Martin was the best offensive player available, I think. his defense is atrocious. One thing I love about him is he's not JUST a shooter. He can score in a variety of ways. I like him for Epi's team, too, since he has the major 3 ways of scoring covered - slashing, shooting, and inside. he's not insane value, but i do think he's better than a JJ/Aguirre/Finley who have been picked. (I still like Hornacek more, but thats bc he was on the jazz)

Nath understands Calderon was a reach, and he wasn't even on my list at all. I don't think it's a bad pick, but there isn't much of a record. I actually do like it given Boozer is on the team. Note that Boozer (you say you may go small) really can't play the 5. or the 3. He's a 4, and a natural 4. I suppose Dirk though could be the 3-4-5.
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Old 05-26-2008, 06:25 PM   #7377
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No he's not, you realize he got to the ft line 9.5 times a game last season (and 7.3 the year before)
Yeah, I guess you're right. I really like Martin FWIW. I think I just get terrified that someone's gonna snap him in two.
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Old 05-26-2008, 06:26 PM   #7378
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goddamnit

oakley, kevin martin

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Old 05-26-2008, 06:27 PM   #7379
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yeah, and for someone who has been trashing vince carter's defense, vince carter is significantly better on defense than kevin martin (although it's not saying much). i do concede that he's creative on offense (always surprised that his ass-ugly jump shot goes in) and is pretty good at putting the ball on the floor as well (not great, but pretty good).
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Old 05-26-2008, 06:27 PM   #7380
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I'm taking Charles Oakley
lol he was on my list too. I'm really interested to see how people view all the big 4s taken this round. I think a bunch of them are roleplayers, and a few of them are stars. (Obv im biased, thinking DC is a star) Oakley is a great roleplayer who had longevity and defense. He's like a poor man's Horace Grant. I didn't really like the Grant pick in the 2nd round, and I'm not sure I'm in love with this one either, but not bad value. ESPECIALLY with Mullin and Stock. Oakley can't PnR.
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Old 05-26-2008, 06:28 PM   #7381
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Here is the pic I'm using for my write-up



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Old 05-26-2008, 06:28 PM   #7382
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I take... Kevin Willis
Standard. Not a bad pick, and you need a good character guy after gamblooing with Starbury. Willis is vanilla here. He was a top 5 center left, and probably top 20 player available, which means you did a better job than your 2nd round selection, but nothing too impressive.
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Old 05-26-2008, 06:28 PM   #7383
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This

Also, Epeen, learn to paragraph, that writeup was torture.

Calderon's a reach, I think nath could of picked him up on the swing round (nath doesnt) and even if he didnt, there are still enough PG's before any major drop off that he's gonna be fine.

Like the Kevin Martin park, dont think its worth the trade up tho. Epeen is about to elevate him to Godhale status I feel which will suck because it will make everyone hate a good pick again. I think saying he's definitely secound round talent is stretching it.
ya sorry I fixed the paragraph thingy. And Martin is def in the class of a ton of 2nd rounders (I don't really want to list all of them so I get into a huge drawn out argument)
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Old 05-26-2008, 06:29 PM   #7384
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yeah, and for someone who has been trashing vince carter's defense, vince carter is significantly better on defense than kevin martin (although it's not saying much). i do concede that he's creative on offense (always surprised that his ass-ugly jump shot goes in) and is pretty good at putting the ball on the floor as well (not great, but pretty good).
i don't think kevmart offensively is a far cry from vince though.
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Old 05-26-2008, 06:29 PM   #7385
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Nath understands Calderon was a reach, and he wasn't even on my list at all. I don't think it's a bad pick, but there isn't much of a record. I actually do like it given Boozer is on the team. Note that Boozer (you say you may go small) really can't play the 5. or the 3. He's a 4, and a natural 4. I suppose Dirk though could be the 3-4-5.
Yeah, my feeling was there wasn't much of a track record, but looking it over again, what I saw was really good. And looking at the draft order until my next pick, I saw a bunch of teams who need a PG and I didn't think he'd be available in round 4. I maybe coulda traded down and improved my position a little, but I think it's a wash-- this was the guy I wanted on my team.

Thx for the tip. I told you I didn't know much but I feel like this team could run big or small pretty well.
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Old 05-26-2008, 06:30 PM   #7386
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Willis was on my shortlist for my next pick, nice pick.

I think Oak is a great pick but thats mainly because I think Oak is awesome. I think he went about the right time and would of loved to have him on my team, hes just such a badass.
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Old 05-26-2008, 06:30 PM   #7387
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Calderon's a reach, I think nath could of picked him up on the swing round (nath doesnt) and even if he didnt, there are still enough PG's before any major drop off that he's gonna be fine.
Yeah, I considered that-- I mean I had a list of like half a dozen PGs I was going over-- but Calderon was the guy I wanted, so I decided to reach for him rather than go with the common perception of BPA or whatever.
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Old 05-26-2008, 06:31 PM   #7388
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All the picks lost from trading up needs to be looked at when evaluating where Epipen's team is right now.

For trading up in each of the last two rounds, I don't think his team is insanely good, which is should be since you don't have a 4th round pick.
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Old 05-26-2008, 06:31 PM   #7389
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your team is gonna be insane at shooting between jose and dirk
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Old 05-26-2008, 06:32 PM   #7390
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calderon and martin were both on my lists. I really like Martin but he's really just a great jump shooter.
who has a HUGE knack for getting to the line.
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Old 05-26-2008, 06:32 PM   #7391
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All the picks lost from trading up needs to be looked at when evaluating where Epipen's team is right now.

For trading up in each of the last two rounds, I don't think his team is insanely good, which is should be since you don't have a 4th round pick.
I overall only lost a 4th round pick but gained a 7th, and I feel like I can make up that later on in the draft anyway as I only need 3 stars which I already have (but will probably pick up another star later anyway).
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Old 05-26-2008, 06:33 PM   #7392
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Also, on the JJ pick (which I think was great). Which comparable players do people think he should of been picked before?

Alvin Robertson
Michael Redd
Eddie Jones
Mark Aguirre
Michael Finley
Dale Ellis

I think if Im re ranking these guys now I go something like...

Eddie Jones
Mark Aguirre
Joe Johnson
Michael Redd
Alvin Robertson
Michael Finley
Dale Ellis

I think Jones to Robertson is tight with the other two a slight bit behind the pack (and I may be underating Robertson I think)
If anyone wants a go at this who missed it go ahead, but for Epeen, where are you actually putting Martin in that list?
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Old 05-26-2008, 06:33 PM   #7393
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I prob would've taken Oakley had I not traded down. All of these guys except Calderon are good picks.
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Old 05-26-2008, 06:34 PM   #7394
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sigh would have really liked calderon
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Old 05-26-2008, 06:35 PM   #7395
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All the picks lost from trading up needs to be looked at when evaluating where Epipen's team is right now.

For trading up in each of the last two rounds, I don't think his team is insanely good, which is should be since you don't have a 4th round pick.
Great point, Id forgotten that. Those three guys not getting any help until round 5 doesnt sounds as good. Especially with him needing a starting centre where I dont think anyone legitimate will be available.
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Old 05-26-2008, 06:35 PM   #7396
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No way, he was by far the BPA and better than almost all the picks this round, as well as better than a decent amount in the 2nd round. He is a legit stud.
under what criteria do you feel he's better than a decent amount of the 2nd round picks?

I love Kmart, he will be a stud, and already is one in his own right, but you can't dismiss his knocks:
He's just 23, and only has 2 v good seasons under his belt
In his 4 seasons, he's missed 70 games already. (And may be somewhat injury prone)
He's never guarded the best player - hell, he always takes the easy assignment bc of Artest - and has a 110 DRtg with poor defensive numbers. (Even though he's 6'7 he has trouble guarding physical guys bc he's thin)
For someone who has the ball in his hands a decent amount, he doesn't know how to pass. Right now, when he has the ball, he's looking to pop, drive, spin, whatever. That's alright, especially because he's great at it, but he's not a good late game ball handler simply bc his decision making process isn't wonderful.

That said, I've seen him jam some vicious dunks, his shot is v sweet, for a guy who is known as a shooter he draws a TON of fouls, etc. He is a great 2nd scoring option.

I do agree tho better SG than some of the guys taken THIS round.
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Old 05-26-2008, 06:35 PM   #7397
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Anyone interesting in trading down on the next 20 or so picks let me know. My 5th round pick is like 25 picks away or something like that.
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Old 05-26-2008, 06:35 PM   #7398
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All the picks lost from trading up needs to be looked at when evaluating where Epipen's team is right now.

For trading up in each of the last two rounds, I don't think his team is insanely good, which is should be since you don't have a 4th round pick.
Yeah, he's going ~80 picks before his next pick.
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Old 05-26-2008, 06:35 PM   #7399
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all,

how do you feel about martin's injury? as jack pointed out, the guy looks like he's ready to be broken in half. i <3 him so i hope he doesn't go down the injury path, but it's surely a concern.
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Old 05-26-2008, 06:35 PM   #7400
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My list:

Eddie Jones
Kevin Martin
Joe Johnson
Michael Redd
Mark Aguirre
Alvin Robertson
Michael Finley
Dale Ellis

Note: Not really sure about Alvin Robertson, he could be a lot higher than i'm placing him.
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