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Old 05-26-2008, 05:33 AM   #7176
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by the end of this draft id love to see all of the PMs exchanged. that would be awesome
"OMG WTF BBQ ZOMG CAN U BELIEVE HE PICKED BATTIER?!?!?!" x ~20.
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Old 05-26-2008, 06:23 AM   #7177
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Dantley and Parrish are late 1st round picks amirite?
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Old 05-26-2008, 07:09 AM   #7178
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Ok, relating back to BBall:

1. What are your thoughts on the big man rush? Of the last 9 picks, only 2 have been non big men. Too defensive oriented?
2. Which is the best threesome and the worst in your view right now? Offensively, defensively, and total sum.
3. Best pick of this round/worst pick?
1. yes

2. Best Offense - Jesus, Kiki, Brand is 3 legit #1 offensive threats who are all very efficient for their positions. Yes, need to pick someone at some point who can distribute, but this team can flat out score from anywhere. Honorable mention to the Porter/Aguirre/DRob combo.

Worst offense - Reggie/Artest/Rodman

Best Defense - Payton/Sheed/Chandler

Worst Defense - Amare/Prince/Price

3. Best Pick - Joe Johnson

Worst Pick - Horford
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Old 05-26-2008, 07:34 AM   #7179
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Alright I've been busy for a few days and haven't been able to check in over the weekend but did someone really take Andris Biedrins in the first 100 picks? Horford at 101 doesn't seem right either. Are people just getting lazy now or what?
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Old 05-26-2008, 09:51 AM   #7180
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I have no real names for Clarke's pick in mind, but I will bet that it will be good.
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Old 05-26-2008, 10:15 AM   #7181
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I'm usually a positive guy when it comes to these picks, but.....

Tayshaun - Although I do beleive that Assani is spot on with the "role players overvalued" argument, I think that Tayshaun is more valuable than your average role-player. Apart from playing great defense, he does pretty much everything else quite well. I think this is a nice solid pick to go with your team.

Mark Eaton - If you could go back and look at posters of superstars from the 80s, Mark Eaton would be on many of them. It's hard to talk about him without mentioning other players, but let's just say that he wasn't nearly the monster on defense that some claim. He blocked a ton of shots(not in top 5 figuring block %), but like all many other freakishly tall players, he was completely exposed by a lot of offenses. Mark was extremely slow and immobile, and would very often be caught out of position. How he won 2 DPOYs is beyond me, because he seemed to give up a facial for every one of his blocks. I think he'd be even more exposed in this format because there are so many big men who can shoot, and he had no defense to speak of outside the paint. On offense, he was deplorable. For a guy who had such a low usage, he was a turnover machine due to his inability to set a legal screen and his hands of stone. With Mark Eaton on offense, the opposing team's defense has free reign to cheat all they want because Mark had little concept of basketball and how to use his size... not really his fault, because he did pick up the game very late. If there were a stat for "offensive loss shares," I'm quite sure Eaton would be at or near the lead. I understand that a defensive stopper is a big need for many teams, but I think this was quite a reach given who is available.

Whoop de damn do Coleman - Man I'm so tilted by Bobbo's pick here. When you talk about team cancers, usually that player has one or two of these characteristics:

Alienating the media/fans
Primadonna attitude
Individual success over team success
Locker room Distraction
Laziness
Off the court issues
Not living up to potential
Injury problems

Derick Coleman... Check, check, check, check, check, check, check aaaaaand check.. And let's not forget that we he could have been a few fast breaks away from joining Hank Gathers and other unmentionables. Seriously, this guy makes Melo look like David Robinson from a character standpoint. He had tremendous talent, one of the most gifted players that I've ever seen, and he managed to piss it all away with for the above reasons. I understand that you want a low post guy who can pass for an inside-outside game, but DC wasn't that type of player. Early on, he got his assists (and turnovers) from running around thinking he's Scottie Pippen. As his health and athleticism deteriorated, so did his ballhandling and passing. Besides, why do you need another post up guy? You have freaking SHAQ! The most efficient player in the draft on the low block, and the only guy who can get position whenever he wants it. With Shaq, do you need to pick on the "worst post defender"? I don't care who you're playing, DC will never be a better option on the low Block than Shaq. That's like having AI and Jordan on the same team and watching Iverson hoist contested 20 footers.

Defensively he was ok, but aside from his rebounding was nothing spectacular. He was primarily a help defender, like Shaq. He became a much better 1v1 defender later in his career, but by that time he had been reduced to a role player, which will be more than easy to find during later rounds.

I don't think you can find #2 offensive options who rebounded and passed like DC, but I don't think you needed one either, especially a PF who has had a TS >55% all of one time in his entire career. And now you've got two players who will have to be subbed at the end of big games.


I think you had so many better options here given the awesomeness of your first two guys...

DC did have a couple really cool commercials though, they were pretty controversial at the time. Couldn't find them on youtube unfortunately..

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Old 05-26-2008, 10:28 AM   #7182
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theres pretty much no chance my team is the worst defensively, esp with tayshaun.
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Old 05-26-2008, 10:29 AM   #7183
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what was kc's post and why was it deleted?
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Old 05-26-2008, 10:36 AM   #7184
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Where is the nasty I really want to make a pick.
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Old 05-26-2008, 10:43 AM   #7185
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huh? you can look these up statistically (hell, or even watch some games), but VC is/was an above average defender (and a good weak side defender) in the NBA. in this super-league, he'll end up around the average. mcdyess is/was a clear good defender (obviously not all-NBA level), but good nonetheless.
lol @ VC being an above average defender seriously wtf
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Old 05-26-2008, 10:44 AM   #7186
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Best O -

There are so many good ones, too many to pick... Seriously there are like 5 teams that are very good.

Worst O - Iverson/Wallace/Thorpe

Best D - Iverson/Wallace/Thorpe

Worst D - Wade/Chambers/Bynum

Favorite team - Pierce/Gasol/Miller
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Old 05-26-2008, 10:47 AM   #7187
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lol @ VC being an above average defender seriously wtf
I've always thought Carter was a pretty good defender. He let his guy go more than some, but is/was pretty good at the recovery.
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Old 05-26-2008, 10:49 AM   #7188
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I've always thought Carter was a pretty good defender. He let his guy go more than some, but is/was pretty good at the recovery.
He doesn't even try on defense, almost never had to guard the best perimiter player etc.
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Old 05-26-2008, 10:54 AM   #7189
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He doesn't even try on defense, almost never had to guard the best perimiter player etc.
I don't think a lack of effort always equates to poor defense. For example I don't think Tim Duncan exerts a ton of effort on D, yet he's one of the best ever. Not that VC is in the same league as Timmay.
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Old 05-26-2008, 10:59 AM   #7190
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I don't think a lack of effort always equates to poor defense. For example I don't think Tim Duncan exerts a ton of effort on D, yet he's one of the best ever. Not that VC is in the same league as Timmay.
It almost always does (especially perimiter d), you can get away with a little lack of effort in the post since ur not moving that much. Effort is a huge part of perimiter defense.

I've never heard VC reffered to even as an average defender, dude is so out of place so much and doesn't care at all.
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Old 05-26-2008, 11:29 AM   #7191
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Someone picked Al Hoford???????????????????????????????????????????
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Old 05-26-2008, 11:34 AM   #7192
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Someone picked Al Hoford???????????????????????????????????????????
I know werent you going to pick him.
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Old 05-26-2008, 11:42 AM   #7193
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Several guys I'm considering here including a possible trade down. Pick or trade within 30 mins. Sorry for the delay, vacationing in NOLA.
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Old 05-26-2008, 11:47 AM   #7194
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I would be willing to trade up if you are interested.
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Old 05-26-2008, 12:09 PM   #7195
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One team I like a lot so far that hasn't really been mentioned yet is sergz's Gilbert/Detlef/Deke team. A) Schrempf was better than a lot of the 3's taken in the 2nd round. B) Gilbert is dirty when healthy. C) I love the idea of Gilbert blogging about hanging out with Deke and Detlef
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Old 05-26-2008, 12:13 PM   #7196
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One team I like a lot so far that hasn't really been mentioned yet is sergz's Gilbert/Detlef/Deke team. A) Schrempf was better than a lot of the 3's taken in the 2nd round. B) Gilbert is dirty when healthy. C) I love the idea of Gilbert blogging about hanging out with Deke and Detlef
Me too, they are like my #2 team behind GKAs... They might be a better team than Pierce, Pau, and Dre, but not as pretty.
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Old 05-26-2008, 12:15 PM   #7197
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Seadood trades: 3rd (112), 5th (169), and 7th (272)
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Clarknizzle: 3rd (103), 6th(223), and 7th (253)
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Old 05-26-2008, 12:21 PM   #7198
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God please don't take my guyyyyyyyyy
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Old 05-26-2008, 12:21 PM   #7199
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Seadood trades: 3rd (112), 5th (169), and 7th (272)
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Clarknizzle: 3rd (103), 6th(223), and 7th (253)
Confirmed, pick will be up shortly. Please be gentle.
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Old 05-26-2008, 12:23 PM   #7200
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Clark moves down 9 picks and picks up a 5th for his 6th? vn.
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