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Old 06-02-2008, 09:05 PM   #9926
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i needed some lowpost scoring and howard was the best low post scorer available imo. i probably forgot someone though. howard is a consistent 17/7
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Old 06-02-2008, 09:06 PM   #9927
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Josh Smith, Marcus, and big JHow sure do shoot an awful lot for being so inefficient. I think that MJ better not pass the ball like, ever.
MJ avg on this squad will be like 46/7/2 ldo
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Old 06-02-2008, 09:09 PM   #9928
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Right now as far as starting fives go:

Flyingmoose=AC Cobra>Steroid Boy

If I could rate the teams on a 10 point scale based on offense/defense, I'd say:

FM = Offense 4 / Defense 7
AC = Offense 8 / Defense 3
Steroid = Offense 2 / Defense 8

All IMO of course....
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Old 06-02-2008, 09:13 PM   #9929
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Right now as far as starting fives go:

Flyingmoose=AC Cobra>Steroid Boy

If I could rate the teams on a 10 point scale based on offense/defense, I'd say:

FM = Offense 4 / Defense 7
AC = Offense 8 / Defense 3
Steroid = Offense 2 / Defense 8

All IMO of course....
I agree with the first two, but I just don't see SB's team as a 2 on offense. I mean...Michael ****ing Jordan!!
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Old 06-02-2008, 09:14 PM   #9930
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I agree with the first two, but I just don't see SB's team as a 2 on offense. I mean...Michael ****ing Jordan!!
yeah perhaps I'm underrating... But come on, Camby, Josh, and Howard... none of those guys are going to make it easy for MJ to get points.

MJ is a high volume/low efficiency guy, I think you hurt him a lot by pairing him with high volume/low efficiency.
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Old 06-02-2008, 09:18 PM   #9931
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an offense w/ MJ should not be a 2

but im biased
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Old 06-02-2008, 09:19 PM   #9932
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I think you underrate my team's offense. I have one of the greatest point guards of all time, and 4 other guys who have all averaged >18 points. None of them are specialists who are easily taken out of the game.

All of them are good decision makers, LaMarcus is the only guy who might jack up bad shots, and with a good coach and pressure from his teammates (Isiah was famous for always holding people accountable in the locker room) he's unlikely to do that. Plus, my team's fast break is looking SERIOUSLY dirty.

I just don't see how this team is a 4 on offense.
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Old 06-02-2008, 09:22 PM   #9933
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yeah perhaps I'm underrating... But come on, Camby, Josh, and Howard... none of those guys are going to make it easy for MJ to get points.

MJ is a high volume/low efficiency guy, I think you hurt him a lot by pairing him with high volume/low efficiency.
He is? He is high volume high efficiency.........
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Old 06-02-2008, 09:22 PM   #9934
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He is? He is high volume high efficiency.........
Sorry that's what I meant.. oops.
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Old 06-02-2008, 09:23 PM   #9935
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I agree with all of this FWIW, and don't dispute that Mahorn is a nice fit. I just think the better value/pick was @ PG.
Part of it is that I have a specific PG in mind for my team that I feel will be available at my 5th pick. Now if I'm wrong that will suck, but that factored into it.
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Old 06-02-2008, 09:27 PM   #9936
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yeah perhaps I'm underrating... But come on, Camby, Josh, and Howard... none of those guys are going to make it easy for MJ to get points.

MJ is a high volume/low efficiency guy, I think you hurt him a lot by pairing him with high volume/low efficiency.
yeah but IMO MJ will get his. he was never one to shy away from being selfish.
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Old 06-02-2008, 09:29 PM   #9937
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I think you underrate my team's offense. I have one of the greatest point guards of all time, and 4 other guys who have all averaged >18 points. None of them are specialists who are easily taken out of the game.

All of them are good decision makers, LaMarcus is the only guy who might jack up bad shots, and with a good coach and pressure from his teammates (Isiah was famous for always holding people accountable in the locker room) he's unlikely to do that. Plus, my team's fast break is looking SERIOUSLY dirty.

I just don't see how this team is a 4 on offense.
Thomas and Oneal for all their greatness are pretty inefficient shooters, averaging .516 and .511 respectively. Richard Jefferson is pretty good at .560, and Roy is average at .538.

I think that on paper this would be a well below average offense (compared to others in this draft), but you've got a team who imo works well and passes well, so I thought they were a little better than their numbers might suggest. I think that you've got a great group of creators, but none of them are terribly efficient at doing so.

The "4" rating is in relation to what I think will be average in this draft...
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Old 06-02-2008, 09:32 PM   #9938
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yeah but IMO MJ will get his. he was never one to shy away from being selfish.
Right. This is what I envision for SB's team

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Old 06-02-2008, 09:32 PM   #9939
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Thomas and Oneal for all their greatness are pretty inefficient shooters, averaging .516 and .511 respectively. Richard Jefferson is pretty good at .560, and Roy is average at .538.

I think that on paper this would be a well below average offense (compared to others in this draft), but you've got a team who imo works well and passes well, so I thought they were a little better than their numbers might suggest. I think that you've got a great group of creators, but none of them are terribly efficient at doing so.

The "4" rating is in relation to what I think will be average in this draft...
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Old 06-02-2008, 09:35 PM   #9940
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f the haters

once i bring zeke in to coach its game over
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Old 06-02-2008, 09:37 PM   #9941
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f the haters

once i bring zeke in to coach its game over
HEY HEY HEY, NO SHOUTING OUT COACHES ^^. HE COULD BE GOING ANY MINUTE.
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Old 06-02-2008, 09:37 PM   #9942
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What you gonna do when I have big bad Rick take MJ out?

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Old 06-02-2008, 09:48 PM   #9943
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Seadood, I think you're using stats too much as a crutch and not taking the players themselves into account. Jermaine had poor efficiency because he ran an offense without really being good enough to. Getting the ball in the right spots and not asking him to force plays when the team is in a drought I expect his TS% to skyrocket. Isiah also had to shoot more than a point with his passing skill would prefer because Dumars was the only other great offensive talent on that team.

Basically, you have two great players who were thrust into a position where to have good efficiency they would need to have top 20 all-time scoring talent. Neither was a chucker or incapable of making good decisions and both have serious offensive game.

Given the strengths of these two players and the fact that their load will be reduced significantly I think it's fair to expect that both will score way less and with a much better TS%
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Old 06-02-2008, 09:49 PM   #9944
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moose,

he was bad even with Reggie averaging 20 a game.
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Old 06-02-2008, 09:53 PM   #9945
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Round 4 Recap

1. Zydrunas Ilgauskas, C (Franchise)
2. Terrell Brandon, PG (Bobbo)
3. Emeka Okafor, PF/C (horizon)
4. Shareef Abudr-Rahim, PF (RUFFNECK)
5. Dale Davis, PF (kidcolin)
6. Derek Harper, PG (Assani Akbar)
7. Rod Strickland, PG (BigChips)
8. Rik Smits, C (AC-Cobra)
9. Mike Miller, SF (Seadood)
10. Samuel Dalembert, C (.Alex.)
11. Gin Baker, PF/C (SHARK)
12. Mark Jackson, PG (LurchySoprano)
13. Toni Kukoc, SF/SG (HighStakesPro)
14. Jason Terry, PG (SteroidBoy)
15. Richard Jefferson, SF (flyingmoose)
16. Allan Houston, SG/SF (ClarkNizzle)
17. Steve Smith, SG (capone0)
18. Dan Majerle, SG/SF (nath)
19. PJ Brown, PF/C (FaDi)
20. Corey Maggette, SF (BJLTNYK)
21. Brandon Roy, SG (flyingmoose)
22. Ron Harper, SG (Victor)
23. Jason Richardson, SG (Nicholasp27)
24. Brent Barry, SG (Dr. Zoidberg)
25. Chris Kaman, C (battschr)
26. Kevin Durant, SG/SF (tbach)
27. Doug Christie, SG/SF (mmbt0ne)
28. Bill Cartwright, C (Dudd)
29. Monta Ellis, SG (NopairParker)
30. Mike Bibby, PG (SammyKid)
31. Danny Granger, SF (fanmail)
32. Calvin Natt, SF (tdarko)
33. Larry Johnson, SF (cowboy)
34. Sam Perkins, C (van_exel_fan)
35. Rudy Gay, SF (sergsz)
36. Josh Howrad, SF (AC-Cobra)
37. Jerry Stackhouse, SG (BigCat)
38. Rick Mahorn, C (MEbenhoe)
39. Kenyon Martin, PF/SF (GKA)
40. LaMarcus Aldridge, PF (flyingmoose)


Teams So Far

1 Steroid Boy - Michael Jordan, Marcus Camby, Josh Smith
2 BobboFitos - Shaq, Eddie Jones, Derrick Coleman, Terrell Brandon
3 horizon - LeBron James, Horace Grant, Drazen Petrovic, Emeka Okafor
4 RUFFNECK - Magic Johnson, Micheal Redd, Hot Rod Williams, Shareef Abdur-Rahim
5 kidcolin - Larry Bird, Vlade Divac, Sam Cassell, Dale Davis
6 Assani Fisher - Tim Duncan, Penny Hardaway, Andrei Kirilenko, Derek Harper
7 BiiiigChips - Hakeem Olajuwon, Glen Rice, Lamar Odom, Rod Strickland
8 Jack of Arcades - David Robinson, Terry Porter, Mark Aguirre,
9 Seadood228 - Kevin Garnett, Bill Laimbeer, Jeff Hornacek, Mike Miller
10 Alex - Kobe Bryant, Big Al Jefferson, Rashard Lewis, Samuel Dalembert
11 SHARK DOCTOR - Chris Paul, Terry Cummings, Rip Hamilton, Gin Baker
12 LurchySoprano - Karl Malone, Alvin Robertson, Antawn Jamison, Mark Jackson
13 HighStakesPro - Charles Barkley, Stephon Marbury, Kevin Willis, Tony Toni Tone Kukoc
14 Franchise 60 - John Stockton, Chris Mullin, Charles Oakley, Zydrunas Ilgauskas
15 flyingmoose - Isiah Thomas, Jermaine O'Neal, Richard Jefferson, Brandon Roy, LaMarcus Aldridge
16 nath - Dirk Nowitzki, Carlos Boozer, Jose Calderon
17 capone0 - Dwight Howard, Tim Hardaway, Andre Iguodala, Steve Smith
18 ClarkNasty - Patrick Ewing, Larry Nance, Mookie Blaylock, Allan Houston
19 FaDi - Clyde Drexler, Peja Stojakovic, Brad Miller, PJ Brown
20 BJLTNYK - Jason Kidd, Mitch Richmond, Al Horford, Corey Maggette
21 EPiPeN11 - Kevin McHale, Chauncey Billups, Kevin Martin
22 Victor - Amare Stoudamire, Mark Price, Tayshaun Prince, Ron Harper
23 Nicholasp27 - Alonzo Mourning, Buck Williams, Joe Johnson. Jason Richardson
24 Dr. Zoidberg - Dominique Wilkins, Kevin Johnson, Andris Biedrins, Brent Mother****ing Barry
25 battschr - Scottie Pippen, Brad Daugherty, Dale Ellis, Chris Kaman
26 cowboy2579 - Gary Payton, Rasheed Wallace, Tyson Chandler, Larry Johnson
27 mmbt0ne - Steve Nash, Manu Ginobili, Anthony Mason, Doug Christie
28 Dudd - Tracy McGrady, Tony Parker, Hersey Hawkins, Bill Cartwright
29 NopairParker - Dwyane Wade, Andrew Bynum, Tom Chambers, Monta Ellis (one of these is not like the others)
30 SammyKid11 - Yao Ming, Carmelo Anthony, Michael Finley, Mike Bibby
31 fanmail - Allen Iverson, Ben Wallace, Otis Thorpe, Danny Granger
32 tdarko - Shawn Marion, Deron Williams, Shane Battier, Calvin "Who?" Natt
33 tbach - Grant Hill, Shawn Kemp, Arvydis Sabonis, Kevin Durant
34 van_exel_fan - Reggie Miller, Dennis Rodman, Ron Artest, Sam Perkins
35 sergsz - Dikembe Mutombo, Gilbert Arenas, Detlef Schrempf, Rudy Gay
36 AC-Cobra - Chris Webber, Joe Dumars, Rolando Blackman, Rik Smits, Josh Howard
37 Big Cat - James Worthy, Chris Bosh, Baron Davis, Jerry Stackhouse
38 MEbenhoe - Elton Brand, Jesus Shuttlesworth, Kiki Vandeweghe, Rick Mahorn
39 GreenKoolAid - Paul Pierce, Pau Gasol, Andre Miller, Kenyon Martin
40 KLJ - Vince Carter, Sid Moncrief, Antonio McDyess
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Old 06-02-2008, 09:53 PM   #9946
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let me know if I got any of the teams wrong.
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Old 06-02-2008, 09:55 PM   #9947
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Flyingmoose=AC Cobra>Steroid Boy

If I could rate the teams on a 10 point scale based on offense/defense, I'd say:

FM = Offense 4 / Defense 7
AC = Offense 8 / Defense 3
Steroid = Offense 2 / Defense 8
what the flying **** is going on here?

Offense/Defense (5 being average in this league)
FM = 7.5/4.5
AC = 6.5/5.5
Steroid = 4.5/7.5

IMO of course. and AC has the best chance of being a "team".
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Old 06-02-2008, 09:55 PM   #9948
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I think after two questionable first picks, flyingmoose had a very nice 4th. He got an incredible amount of talent in those 3 picks. Doesn't mean he has a great team though, very lacking in range and still high in injury risk. I think its hard to tell if his trading strategy worked out because I don't like his top 2 guys, but if I was told I could get LMA/Roy/Jefferson all in the 4th, I would be hard pressed to turn that down. Ewing/LMA/Jefferson/Rice/Roy would have sounded nice.
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Old 06-02-2008, 09:56 PM   #9949
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let me know if I got any of the teams wrong.
40 (me) has mark eaton as well, which you missed in the 3rd rd writeup as well
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Old 06-02-2008, 09:59 PM   #9950
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unbelievable work yet again kid. some very funny easter eggs in there. that travel is the worst ive ever seen.
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