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Old 05-26-2008, 09:39 PM   #7551
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to me basketball players can't be evaluated the same way as baseball players. Some of these measurements are valuable and can give you a good idea, but these measurements still suffer from the fact that basketball is very much a team sport, and a fluid one at that.
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Old 05-26-2008, 09:42 PM   #7552
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I don't think Rashard is a good defender at all. He use to get a decent amount of steals in Seattle, but he was never good enough to shut down players.

Also, you just HAD to put a pic of him vs the Sonics!
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Old 05-26-2008, 09:43 PM   #7553
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i like blackman. i'm basing this purely on stats and printed media though. with the short run on swingmen just now, i found him very close to the top of my list.
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Old 05-26-2008, 09:43 PM   #7554
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good pick AC - I was thinking about Rolando as well....he was on the bottom of my list though - still - good scoring option.
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Old 05-26-2008, 09:45 PM   #7555
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I had Blackman on my radar. honestly never saw him play but a good older vet.
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Old 05-26-2008, 09:47 PM   #7556
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yeah, blackman makes sense given the run of SGs. he's just like a lot of the other guys drafted now. i really have no idea how to rank all the SGs, heh, but i like the pick, and i know one or two guys will be upset.
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Old 05-26-2008, 09:49 PM   #7557
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I don't think Rashard is a good defender at all. He use to get a decent amount of steals in Seattle, but he was never good enough to shut down players.

Also, you just HAD to put a pic of him vs the Sonics!
Why Rashard is not a better defender is a mystery to me. He's very quick, very tall (6'10 for a 3), has been in the league for a while to "understand," things... But he's simply a poor defender. Possibly low bball IQ, I don't know.

Regardless, Alex has one of the best offensive teams, it's just incredible. Defensively, he's going to have problems with 2 below avg defenders.
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Old 05-26-2008, 09:49 PM   #7558
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Blackman had a great mid-range game and played off the ball. That seems to be much like Dumars. Neither was a primary ball handler. These players seem too similar on offense to justify the pick.
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Old 05-26-2008, 09:51 PM   #7559
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i've only seen blackman play on espn classic showings of all star games.
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Old 05-26-2008, 09:52 PM   #7560
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I think Rashards biggest problem is that he is too passive. Thats probably why he likes shooting instead of attacking the basket.
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Old 05-26-2008, 09:52 PM   #7561
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Why Rashard is not a better defender is a mystery to me. He's very quick, very tall (6'10 for a 3), has been in the league for a while to "understand," things... But he's simply a poor defender. Possibly low bball IQ, I don't know.

Regardless, Alex has one of the best offensive teams, it's just incredible. Defensively, he's going to have problems with 2 below avg defenders.
I dunno... I think it's a pretty proven fact in the NBA that individual defense is somewhat useless and team defense is where it's at.

Big Al isn't a great post defender but he's at least a big body and can block shots, and you have Kobe and Rashard who are both very quick and very long... if this team is well coached you can really pressure the ball very well and double down on elite post players.
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Old 05-26-2008, 09:53 PM   #7562
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Blackman had a great mid-range game and played off the ball. That seems to be much like Dumars. Neither was a primary ball handler. These players seem too similar on offense to justify the pick.
Erm, when Isaih wasnt in the game (and when he left the Pistons), Dumars was running the point for the Pistons. He's a 5 APG guy perfectly capable of running the point. Besides I have one of the best passing frontcourt players ever, I dont think I'm gonna struggle for creativity.
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Old 05-26-2008, 09:53 PM   #7563
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awesome to come home to see so many picks made....
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Old 05-26-2008, 09:54 PM   #7564
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pick is up

jeez guys, i was just writing the writeup, relax

plus double checking because i'm still a little self-conscious about the depth of my basketball knowledge compared to some of y'all

Eh, a bit early for him, but I have to be honest that I was definitely hoping to get him in round 5.
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Old 05-26-2008, 09:56 PM   #7565
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Amazing, Calderon wasn't even close to my radar this early (all that suspense for nothing).

Anyway I picked Kevin Martin who imo is a legit mid 2nd round talent, I was shocked he fell this far.

This was one of my 6, although he wasn't my #1 only because of how injury prone he has been. In 4 years hes played 45, 72, 80, and 61 games only. Hes also a below average defender, which isn't the direction I wanted to go with my team really.
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Old 05-26-2008, 09:56 PM   #7566
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I dunno... I think it's a pretty proven fact in the NBA that individual defense is somewhat useless and team defense is where it's at.

Big Al isn't a great post defender but he's at least a big body and can block shots, and you have Kobe and Rashard who are both very quick and very long... if this team is well coached you can really pressure the ball very well and double down on elite post players.
Rashard played for Nate McMillian, a great team defense coach. I probably watched close to 200 games when Rashard was there, and never once did I think he was a good defensive player.
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Old 05-26-2008, 09:56 PM   #7567
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I'm taking Charles Oakley
This guy was #1 on my list. 2 of my 6 guys now gone.
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Old 05-26-2008, 09:56 PM   #7568
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Eh, a bit early for him, but I have to be honest that I was definitely hoping to get him in round 5.
i think his style is very valuable in this league, because he's efficient without dominating the ball. good for a league of scorers, imo.
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Old 05-26-2008, 09:57 PM   #7569
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This guy was #1 on my list. 2 of my 6 guys now gone.
well at least you're guaranteed one, and have a decent chance at one of the others. good luck
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Old 05-26-2008, 09:58 PM   #7570
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yeah not sure why Clark ****s his pants over how awesome JJ is but then thinks Calderon is a bad pick.
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Old 05-26-2008, 09:59 PM   #7571
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This was one of my 6, although he wasn't my #1 only because of how injury prone he has been. In 4 years hes played 45, 72, 80, and 61 games only. Hes also a below average defender, which isn't the direction I wanted to go with my team really.
Also LOL@ "the ability to be a lockdown defender." Thats like saying someone who has good shooting form but shoots badly has the ability to be a good shooter.
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Old 05-26-2008, 10:00 PM   #7572
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Dumars was a shooting guard. The Pistons had spot up shooters and multiple post options which allowed his assists to be high for a secondary ball handler. I LOVED Dumars as a player but he was best at 2 playing the same style a Blackman. These were two of my faves growing up.( I am a big fan of the midrange game)
I like both players they just seem to overlap in skill set. Plus Blackmon was never a big threat from 3 as far as I remember.
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Old 05-26-2008, 10:02 PM   #7573
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lol he was on my list too. I'm really interested to see how people view all the big 4s taken this round. I think a bunch of them are roleplayers, and a few of them are stars. (Obv im biased, thinking DC is a star) Oakley is a great roleplayer who had longevity and defense. He's like a poor man's Horace Grant. I didn't really like the Grant pick in the 2nd round, and I'm not sure I'm in love with this one either, but not bad value. ESPECIALLY with Mullin and Stock. Oakley can't PnR.
FWIW my 2nd round pick came down to Penny, Horace Grant, or Oakley
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Old 05-26-2008, 10:02 PM   #7574
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Also LOL@ "the ability to be a lockdown defender." Thats like saying someone who has good shooting form but shoots badly has the ability to be a good shooter.
you'll see in vegas, my shooting form is hot.

i always miss tho
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Old 05-26-2008, 10:02 PM   #7575
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Standard. Not a bad pick, and you need a good character guy after gamblooing with Starbury. Willis is vanilla here. He was a top 5 center left, and probably top 20 player available, which means you did a better job than your 2nd round selection, but nothing too impressive.
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