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Old 10-06-2019, 01:35 AM   #4476
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Don't count on anything regarding the Stones investigation.

The chief investigator is an attorney who has previously worked for Stones owners.

The goal at this point is to "prove" to the general public that a thorough investigation was done by qualified individuals, and that the investigation cleared all parties.

The initial "investigation" (if one was done at all) was probably conducted by people like Justin, and obviously would not be judged credible by any outsiders with an IQ above room temperature.

The current investigation features a leader with significant credentials (former leader of fraud investigations for one of the US Attorneys offices, among other things). He will put together a "team" of other seemingly qualified people, and probably intentionally look at all the wrong things (the general security of the setup from hacking, rather than a serious look at Mike's play and the streams themselves).

When the setup is declared hacker-proof, this will be shared with the public, and we will see a list of all of the highly qualified techies and others involved with investigating, which should satisfy the general public and/or media. It could also be useful later in court, when they defend the civil lawsuit which Mac Verstandig plans to lead against Stones.

Completely absent from the investigation will likely be anything regarding the highly improbably successful strategies Mike employed, the obvious variance in style and demeanor versus cheating/non-cheating sessions, the presence/absence of people like Justin and Taylor, the bulgy hat, the looking down at the crotch, and the other suspicious factors discussed here.

It's likely that the investigation's goal will be to clear Postle and Stones of any wrongdoing, rather than really get to the bottom of this.

And why?

Because Stones will suffer big time from any self-revelation of malfeasance. They will be open to all kinds of negligence lawsuits (or worse), and their reputation will be irreparably harmed. This will be true whether they blame it all on Mike, or whether they blame it on Mike and one or two rogue employees.

By a very wide margin, they escape from this the cleanest if this is found to be an unsubstantiated accusation.

If they were really interested in finding something, they would hire someone truly independent, rather than an attorney previously associated with them.

If you'd like a comparison, recall the Penn State molestation situation. Though Joe Paterno and other top figures at the school realized that Jerry Sandusky had been molesting young boys on the premises, they did all they could to squash the allegations and cover it up. Why? Because they felt the Penn State football program would suffer immensely if this ever got out, so they chose the school's reputation over justice for the young victims.

Pretty much the same thing here.
I agree with you that, if Stones could get away with it, they would likely conduct an "investigation" purely to lower their liability, while ensuring future revenue streams are not impacted. Basically what any corporation would do.

The problem is the second part of that equation: future revenue streams. Because unlike the Penn State fiasco, Mike's crimes were streamed and recorded for the world to see. And while I agree the key to this is the math and hand histories taken all together (which is hard for a non poker playing investigator to understand), Stones still has a problem: their customers do understand poker, more or less.

And so their target customer base is going to expect something real and tangible to come out of this investigation. And Stones Casino probably know that. Any investigation that white washes this will almost certainly lead to a boycott of poker at the Casino. And so they are stuck.

They will be highly motivated to make Mike into a lone wolf hacker. Yes, they are still responsible for maintaining the integrity of their games. But at least no Stones employees were directly involved, when Mike acted alone. That is their best case scenario, provided everyone will accept it.

The problem with that scenario, however, is if Mike eventually talks and gives details of how he cheated, and it comes out one or more Stones employees were actively colluding with him. In that case, I can't imagine Stones continuing as a viable entity, at least with poker. Their credibility will be less than zero.

And even if Mike never talks, how realistic is it, with all we know, to believe Mike had no help? For the public to buy this, Stones would have to release a lot of details on the hack. And they would open it up to being refuted with all of the video evidence that is available, and just the knowledge that people here have about various systems, networking, RFID technology, etc.

So there is a decent chance that Stones will just bite the bullet and do a fair investigation, having correctly surmised that anything less will be worse for them long term. Better to do the right thing, perhaps pay out more money now, but show their customers they are going to stand by them when mistakes are made.

We'll see!
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Old 10-06-2019, 01:36 AM   #4477
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Bare with me plz if this has been brought up. But i am on page 91 and i just cant contain myself.

Early on this whole thing there were a picture someone played with the colors on the hat. Joey did this with another picture of this guy, showing a huge color anomaly on the collar of this guy. Did noone concludet yet, this are the infrared lights for the marked cards?
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Old 10-06-2019, 01:47 AM   #4478
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

On the one hand Postle vs WCGRider would be hilarious and entertaining, but I personally vote against it. I don't need any additional proof to believe Postle is cheating, and in my mind all it does is turn his cheating into a platform to give him the attention he so obviously craves (despite his insistence otherwise). I worry that, in 2019, "there's no such thing as bad publicity" is more true than ever and he could leverage the attention of a heads up match with Doug into something way more positive than he deserves. I honestly think the best course of action is to blacklist Postle and JFK from poker and boycott any cardrooms not on board with that plan. I say this because, if you put yourself in Postle's shoes, besides legal prosecution, being blacklisted from poker is the scariest path for him going forward and therefore what I feel he most deserves.
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Old 10-06-2019, 01:47 AM   #4479
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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As much as I want to see this, I really don't want this to happen, I just want Postle & co in jail, not to "prove" things we already know.
but would LOVE for doug or joey to crush him HU before he does his time...
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Old 10-06-2019, 01:48 AM   #4480
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PC 332 doesn't apply to this case. If you find a case where this was applied to poker I will correct my response, but I can't find any. I have however talked to a prosecutor who prosecuted a few people for this statute. It came up in conversation one day. Three card monte and like scams used to be a real problem in the 70s apparently.

Poker is regulated and well defined. Theft by deception and wire fraud are the only things here. The gaming statutes only care about player banked games.

You are correct in the stacking of charges, but this is liberal California, a one party pseudo-socialist country. Without the feds this guy does little or no time. This is a decently sized civil case. Prosecuting with limp laws and leftist judges won't change the behavior. As a rabid Trump, Duterte, and Bolsonaro backer, even I don't want to see Californians' money wasted on a state criminal case versus this jerk. It's an entirely futile pursuit.
332 uses extremely broad language, and applies to situations including those in which people are "betting on sides or hands of any play or game." That describes poker.

As for finding a case, it took all of 10 seconds...

People v. Mendoza (1951) 103 Cal. App. 2d 113. In that case,

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Ponce described to Valesquez a set of signals that he, Ponce, would use to indicate the cards held by the Chinaman in the proposed game of "draw poker."
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Ponce, Valesquez, and Mondoza (the banker) were all convicted.


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Old 10-06-2019, 01:48 AM   #4481
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

what if hes telling the truth about winning 2m on ub? seems like a weird thing to claim out of no where.

he was russ hamiltons accomplice, its been him this whole time. he is keizer soze.
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Old 10-06-2019, 01:51 AM   #4482
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Trip report from a quick walk through of the poker room: about 60% the crowd I'd expect right now.

Thought popped in my head, "Holy **** it's 9 o'clock Saturday night? I'd swear it was Tuesday."
App shows 12 games running right now. I’d say that’s about standard for right now. Might be one game short.
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Old 10-06-2019, 01:56 AM   #4483
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Listening to this guy on on Mike Matusow's interview.

He claims he hasn't read anything online, yet he brought up things that are discussed ITT.

This guy is an idiot, and in the words of Hellmuth... "This guy can't even spell poker." I really don't think he can.
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Old 10-06-2019, 01:57 AM   #4484
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If I were the player to make that bluff and leave myself with $700 in my stack and I went back and watched the stream to see this idiot rebluffed me all-in with air I would DEFINITELY want to play with him again. I would think this guy is terrible and want to play with him more. Especially since I would assume that there would be other times that I would make that same play and have the nuts.

I wouldn't just assume he could see my cards and was only re-bluffing me there when I was bluffing. I would assume he was an action player and probably going to lose it all back to me at some point.
The hand he choose to jamm with is just insane and even the worst player (biggest action player) could never ever find a play like that because I would need to pay off with all my holdings, except what I am holding in that spot. The likelihood of a play like that is incredible tiny and I do not know any winning player (which Postle is in these games) that could make such a play with his holding.

If this is how you look at poker if you saw such a play fold out in front of your eyes (with or without you as the victim) it might not be a bad idea to rethink what others might be able to do just to get hold of your money. Just a friendly advice to be careful and protect yourself.

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He was also saying that he was for promoting poker as some sort of social event without hoodies, sunglasses and h... (he stopped himself before finishing that word). Have at least seen two players with hoodie so I assume there must be incredible difficult to keep track of what is true and what is false when you walk around in your own reality where others are just puppets in your own show. Which he by the way did not want either... The contradictions are so in your face.

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Old 10-06-2019, 01:58 AM   #4485
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

The "not able track buyins" is bullshit... The entire stream is there. When someone isn't losing there is no reason to re-buy or top off their stack... idiot. Burn
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Old 10-06-2019, 02:04 AM   #4486
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Out of curiosity, for anyone who played on the Stones stream, did you sign anything prior to playing?

I remember some vlogger (Neeme most likely) playing the Bellagio stream and signing a waiver. I assume if Stones had everyone sign there would be language on releasing the casino from liability associated with IT issues, etc. (which probably includes cheating).
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Old 10-06-2019, 02:04 AM   #4487
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what if hes telling the truth about winning 2m on ub? seems like a weird thing to claim out of no where.

he was russ hamiltons accomplice, its been him this whole time. he is keizer soze.
is 2 million the biggest ub winner? that seems very low doesnt it?
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Old 10-06-2019, 02:09 AM   #4488
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His cards dont show and he stares at camera and the dealer the entire hand. Is this the famous seat 2
Are the cards maybe marked and he is seeing them as them come off?
Starts at 51:04
https://youtu.be/w2Fr_vxeOmY?t=3064
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Old 10-06-2019, 02:09 AM   #4489
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Out of curiosity, for anyone who played on the Stones stream, did you sign anything prior to playing?

I remember some vlogger (Neeme most likely) playing the Bellagio stream and signing a waiver. I assume if Stones had everyone sign there would be language on releasing the casino from liability associated with IT issues, etc. (which probably includes cheating).
I have played the stream. It's a waiver that allows them to film you.. Its been awhile but I believe that's all the waiver wants your permission for.

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Old 10-06-2019, 02:10 AM   #4490
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bldswttrs and samoleus won $2m pre-UIGEA at party 10/20 nl. ub had 50/100+ nl and 400/800 limit reguarly in that 2004-2007 period so its just another outlandish proclamation.
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Old 10-06-2019, 02:11 AM   #4491
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is 2 million the biggest ub winner? that seems very low doesnt it?
I think potripper won way more than 2 mill.
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Old 10-06-2019, 02:12 AM   #4492
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Out of curiosity, for anyone who played on the Stones stream, did you sign anything prior to playing?

I remember some vlogger (Neeme most likely) playing the Bellagio stream and signing a waiver. I assume if Stones had everyone sign there would be language on releasing the casino from liability associated with IT issues, etc. (which probably includes cheating).
The law supersedes any contract you might sign and cheating is theft. No contract can make that legal.
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Old 10-06-2019, 02:14 AM   #4493
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Such an insane interview
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Old 10-06-2019, 02:15 AM   #4494
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So right towards the end of Joey's stream tonight they show a hand with Mike where the graphics aren't working and an employee of the casino comes over and talks to Mike and says something and then Mike leaves the table. That individual was identified (By Veronica in the chat) to be Lance. If you check out Lance Hudspeth's bio on linkedin he has quite the interesting background and duties during his time at Stones as well as other places:

I have been in the Casino Industry for the past 3 years. Dealing poker in Las Vegas at the Main Event for the WSOP, and locally for Stones Gambling Hall. During my time at stones I have covered for the IT Manager and running the IT department for Stones, which lead to me taking over Stones Live. Stones Live is on of the premiere video streams for poker, and entertainment online. I strived to make the stream the best I could with my team of professionals. I was the lead technician for Amazon Web Services, Mobile Farm development. I helped build the device farm from an empty room to what it is now. Helping order parts, install racks, network, and all the components to the room. Developing phones and pads from around the world to test developer applications on any wanted device, while still doing my job as a Data Center Tech for multiple locations. I was responsible for making sure amazon employees and the Amazon.com website are functioning correctly. I also helped with other IT needs, such as building the network, running cables, or replacing server components. While I was in the Army, I needed to be able to adapt to any situation under stress, which includes working on any of the software or hardware on or inside the vehicles. I excel at being able to learn quickly, and meet expected deadlines on time. I never give up, and always want to succeed in everything I do.
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Old 10-06-2019, 02:16 AM   #4495
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Such an insane interview
great work Joey, history will remember all youve done!
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Old 10-06-2019, 02:16 AM   #4496
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This guy sounds like he works for the white house with all the blatant spin/lying/misdirected responses to Matasow's questions, even as "softball" and incoherent as they are.
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Old 10-06-2019, 02:20 AM   #4497
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but would LOVE for doug or joey to crush him HU before he does his time...
If all of this is true (almost 100%), Mike's playing with stolen money. How is that even remotely fair?

Let him pay back the $350,000 or whatever it is, then he can play HU with his own money. Or Matusow can stake him, lol.
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Old 10-06-2019, 02:23 AM   #4498
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direct video link keeps saying unavailable so here is his channel:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDz...9wp9xww/videos
Feb 11, 2019 upload by poker vlogger Andrew Lok vlog 12 Sitting down in Sactown where he was filming inside Stones Jan 21, 2019 from an empty table. Behind him you can see the tournament desk and one of the exits and the stones live stream table where production is working on the overhead cameras.

1st few minutes he is at thunder valley
4:42 he is in the stones parking garage
4:50 he goes inside Stones
5:12 - 8:00 streaming employee is checking on the table's cameras while Andrew talks about poker hands

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Old 10-06-2019, 02:27 AM   #4499
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Not saying he is in on it but he sure does have the right background to assist on something like this. He also comes to talk to Mike when the graphics aren't showing up.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/lancehudspeth/
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Old 10-06-2019, 02:29 AM   #4500
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I believe he’s so delusional and arrogant, to quote a wrestling term, he’s marked out on himself, essentially he bought into the gimmick that Stones was pushing, that he is in fact a poker God, and he probably felt really empowered/emboldened by being able to superuse that his peanut brain started to actually believe this.
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