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Old 10-05-2019, 02:27 PM   #3976
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Freeze frame at 2:10:15 am I the only person who thinks there is a small grey sliver on his bracelet that is a scanner? Looks like a glint at first but it is not and there’s clearly a small grey band on his bracelet. It’s a rigged card deck people, who is in charge of the deck they use?
https://youtu.be/Gaek0o6eYTo
Looks like a reflection to me but certainly this bracelet thing needs to be investigated further.
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:28 PM   #3977
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At least he had the balls to get out there and do it! Props to the man, cheating looks like soooo much fun!! He can hardly contain his laughter as he calls with with 3rd pair. Legalise poker cheating, nice one postle!!!
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:29 PM   #3978
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I've added the results from the 12 sessions in 2019 that were not included in the original data by JS84. He mentioned he only looked at NLH sessions. Mike played in 9 Omaha/mixed games sessions in 2019, winning approximately $20K. I tried to determine whether he was superusing in these sessions but wasn't able to spend much time on each of these and I am not that experienced in O8.

Additionally, I added 3 NLH sessions that were left off the original post. These sessions were uploaded a few weeks after the stream, which may be why you missed them. He wins $26K over these 3 sessions.

Adding these in brings his 2019 profit to $206K and '18+'19 profit to $300K. Note that this does not include any non-NLH games from 2018. I will try to add this when I get a chance, but may be a little while. Anyway, probably safe to assume his total winnings were in the $325-$350K range. I did my best to incorporate re-buys and add-ons but am sure I missed some. Feel free to send me anything I missed and I will update the spreadsheet.
Thank you for going in and doing the non-NL games, as well as finding the ones that I missed. I figured I missed a few sessions here or there since there are over 100 videos from 2019 on their YT channel. I basically started from the top, clicked on an NL session to see if Postle played, then either watch the stream or move on. No doubt I missed a few. Really crazy though that the 3 that I missed were all massive sessions.

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Old 10-05-2019, 02:30 PM   #3979
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I have sympathy for veronica because she is in a tough spot, if she makes those players aware that mike is cheating, those players are going to leak it and mike is going to be able to cover his tracks. If you want to charge mike criminally your very likely going to need physical evidence, the math probably will not be enough criminally, civil maybe but not criminally.

The objective is to get physical evidence, any physical evidence is already gone by now.
Im not attacking her. I've defended her every opportunity I've had to the few people who came here and attacked her. What I am saying is that if she were to get money from this, she should donate it back to the players. It's just my opinion, don't really want to argue about this anymore or take up space on the thread since there are better things we could be discussing.
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:31 PM   #3980
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7 hours of mike cheating and winning FIRST PLACE in a $550 SNG Tournament

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CswNmIQvI0o&t=25217s
Did you watch the stream? He came in second and if you watched hours and noticed something suspicious, it would help to include time stamps. Thanks for the link.
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:32 PM   #3981
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Im curious if anyone can break this down mathematically, let's theoretically assume mike postle did not cheat. What is the probability of a player with a 60%+ vpip, 900bb+/100, 300 hours of play. Im not sure if these numbers are accurate? Regardless, what is the probability of that actually even occuring? Are my numbers off? Or is that his accurate win-rate and vpip?
Let me throw this out there first, I'm very close to 100% sure he's cheating in some way, at some point in some sessions.

But...proving it mathematically is an entirely different problem:

1) His VPIP isn't a static number. There's plenty of live games I go way outside my regular VPIP in various situations like: as the stacks become deeper, if I have a lot tells/reads on a player, I'm playing in position with weaker players and there isn't a lot of 3betting going on, even the number of initial players will have an impact. So, if you tracked my VPIP for one session it might be completely different than for another.
2) His WR isn't necessary perfectly accurate. It's been documented that add-ons,re-buys weren't taken into account in a lot of the sample that was collected.
3) 300 hours isn't a big sample in a live game setting. We're talking maybe 6,000 total hands. I had a similar period where I played live when I was staked mostly 2/5 games(some 1/3 private home games too) where I played 34 sessions in two months. I won in 31 of those sessions. My bb/100 if I took the time to calculate you would probably think it was impossible...without cheating. But, I wasn't cheating. I just ran hot and played really well...as well as the competition wasn't very good mostly.
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:36 PM   #3982
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Its so weird listening to the commentators because they are kind of expecting him to make crazy lay downs (like with that QT hand vs KJ) and crazy bluffs probably because they have seen him do so much of this the past year. As soon as he gets behind in a hand they are like "CAN HE lay this down? No ofc he cant, but maby he will anyway" Its really ****ing weird.
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:36 PM   #3983
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Is there a Mike Postle GodMode hand where Mike is not looking at his phone at some point in the hand ?

obv everyone is watching their phone all the time in 2019, But some people can go a hand or 2 without looking at it, especially when they are in the hand themselves.
It would speak for Mike if there would be such a hand where he's not looking But I personally think you can't find one.

It seems clear to me what is going on. The room badly secured the stream, and someone "hacked" / logged into the real time RFID data and is texting Mike real time about his opponents hands.
PokerGFX encrypts all communication. So either some sort of teamviewer software was installed on the server/production desk where they watch the live streem and he's viewing it on his phone or someone is watching and giving him updates.

From their manual:

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• Preview window lockout password
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:36 PM   #3984
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Wow, nice finding.

His reaction is so genuine and makes no sense. Someone show this to Joey.
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He's so pissed on the turn even though he should be happy with that card...Unless he knows he's up against EXACTLY KJ...lol

Also, he's obviously not trying to use a reverse tell in order to appear weak because he doesn't try to get more $ in the pot on the turn/river.

Nice find!

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Old 10-05-2019, 02:37 PM   #3985
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Could just be the light reflecting in the bracelet. That said, the bracelet is ****ing suspicious. Since when does a guy like Mike Postle wear black bracelets half way up his forearm as fashion accessories? A bracelet which looks identical to the poker cheating scanner bracelets. It's weird. I think this is a red herring to discuss that sort of cheating but man, the bracelet is ***** weird, and how much he runs over EV is weird, and how he plays in some spots (sometimes betting small vs draws, sometimes jamming to fold them out) is weird. Ugh
Every time he does that weird look down we assume that he is looking at his phone. But what he also does is rests his left elbow on his chips touching the side of his hat POINTING HIS WRIST SCANNER at the table. Probably a similar scanner in his hat so when he looks down he is pointing camera that instantly relays marked whole cards by inside man to his phone. I think this is the easiest solution and also the most common way that live poker games are usually cheated.
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:40 PM   #3986
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First of all, I want to thank you and Alecspade for taking the time to add so much substance to the often imprecise allegations.

What is helpful is your careful breakdown of your methods you used to calculate Postle's buy ins wont have been known by Postle or Matusow, so now we know your methods, we can see how false Postle's defence really is.

What is fascinating is that as this case unravels, one realises everything Postle says in his defence is untrue.

I will repeat that, as it is so important, and unremarked on, he lies about EVERYTHING.
Unintentionally, we both calculated his stats in different ways, which I think is a good thing. I went through Twitch because the broadcast doesn't display wins/losses on the screen (like they do on LATB). In Twitch if you enter the command !cashwin (which can be done by anyone but would routinely be done by either one of the commentators or JFK) it would display the wins/losses at that moment. Also important to note that this number is strictly reflective of money won in pots. Chip count is totally irrelevant. The software only counts money in a pot for wins/losses.

During hands, the dealer communicates bet sizes to the tech running the stream because these numbers have to be entered manually during the action tracking.

So the dealer will announce "Seat 4 bets five hundred. Seat 5 calls". Tech running the stream inputs this info so that it will display, and so on and so on. The software puts the chip totals into the pot, that goes on throughout the hand until conclusion. Then at the end software shows Seat A winning X and Set B losing Y. Those numbers are completely independent of chip counts. Add-ons and rebuys are irrelevant to those numbers.

The only place where errors can occur are if the dealer miscounts the players stacks or if the action tracking is incorrect. As these would both be human errors, one could assume that figures could be off a small percentage. I personally have played on a live stream where I stacked a guy for about $500 less than what the graphics showed because they had his chip stack higher than what it was, although you can physically look at the chips and attempt to count as accurately as possible.

This is why you can't just go from hand 1 saying Player A started with $1k, then jump to the end of the stream and see that Player A now has $8k and say oh look, he's up $7k. I think that's what Postle is hoping we did, which isn't the case.

If I had to guess, I would say that the fact that human error is definitely possible (by the dealers in counting chips, action tracking by the tech at the computer, and myself and JS, could lead to a incorrect estimation of wins/losses that could be anywhere between 10%-20%, but would be in either direction.
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:40 PM   #3987
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PokerGFX encrypts all communication. So either some sort of teamviewer software was installed on the server/production desk where they watch the live streem and he's viewing it on his phone or someone is watching and giving him updates.

From their manual:

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• Preview window lockout password
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Is the Livesteam commentated on in real time ? And then being broadcasted online with a delay , or does the commentating team see the stream with a delay as well ?
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:42 PM   #3988
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Freeze frame at 2:10:15 am I the only person who thinks there is a small grey sliver on his bracelet that is a scanner? Looks like a glint at first but it is not and there’s clearly a small grey band on his bracelet. It’s a rigged card deck people, who is in charge of the deck they use?
https://youtu.be/Gaek0o6eYTo
I don't think the necessary hardware would fit in a bracelet that small (ir lights, camera, battery)




They do seem to have quite the selection of devices for the IR though..
Well beyond phones and fobs
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:43 PM   #3989
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Let me throw this out there first, I'm very close to 100% sure he's cheating in some way, at some point in some sessions.

But...proving it mathematically is an entirely different problem:

1) His VPIP isn't a static number. There's plenty of live games I go way outside my regular VPIP in various situations like: as the stacks become deeper, if I have a lot tells/reads on a player, I'm playing in position with weaker players and there isn't a lot of 3betting going on, even the number of initial players will have an impact. So, if you tracked my VPIP for one session it might be completely different than for another.
2) His WR isn't necessary perfectly accurate. It's been documented that add-ons,re-buys weren't taken into account in a lot of the sample that was collected.
3) 300 hours isn't a big sample in a live game setting. We're talking maybe 6,000 total hands. I had a similar period where I played live when I was staked mostly 2/5 games(some 1/3 private home games too) where I played 34 sessions in two months. I won in 31 of those sessions. My bb/100 if I took the time to calculate you would probably think it was impossible...without cheating. But, I wasn't cheating. I just ran hot and played really well...as well as the competition wasn't very good mostly.
Yes and I generally agree, this is why I said in my post above that I have sympathy with veronica, if you want to actually charge mike your going to need physical evidence, any evidence that existed on a phone/computer/ etc etc is gone by now.

Also it's not just the math, it's also the way he plays which does not match with the math, he plays like a very loose fish that calls very wide preflop, but then all of a sudden has the ability to check/call the river with the nut flush. I agree that he can easily argue that I just got lucky/ran good and he will probably be safe criminally wise.
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:44 PM   #3990
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Yeah so here’s the thing though the ones in those YouTube videos are several years old. I believe that as a few more years have passed this device would look a little more slick like the one mike has
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:44 PM   #3991
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oh... forgot about this

https://www.irs.gov/compliance/whistleblower-informant-award

Whistleblower gets 30% of recovered taxes + fines

Lets say 200K of 2018 unreported income, and assume he already filed and didnt file an extension(s) which would give him untilOct 15.

~80K back taxes. penalties, etc another 40K.

Anyone want $40,000 ?

Joey and maybe a few others should get a cut.
He still has 10 more days to file 2018 taxes. At worst he’d pay interest for failure to pay estimated tax
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:44 PM   #3992
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Does this case piss anyone off more than anything other thing in poker history??? Love to see Postle lynched.

Absolute/Ultimate Bet Superuser Scandal and Black Friday affected far more people than this. Russ Hamilton got away with stealing millions and nothing ever became of it. Hopefully this one will be different, but I wouldn’t recommend holding your breath.
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:45 PM   #3993
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If you were making a device like that in to cheat in 2019 you would make it look like a fitbit. Also worth noting when he has this bracelet(when he wears short sleeves) he always hides his wrist under the table ( he doesn’t want to draw attention to it).
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:45 PM   #3994
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Is the Livesteam commentated on in real time ? And then being broadcasted online with a delay , or does the commentating team see the stream with a delay as well ?
Literally on the same page of posts:

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The commentators are not looking at the live feed. Only the graphics are created live.

There are often people from the game giving their commentary on the hand that they themselves were playing in.
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:46 PM   #3995
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Is Mike Postle’s health ‘dire’ yet? #hoping
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:46 PM   #3996
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NEW FINDING:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CswNmIQvI0o&t=25217s

7 hours of footage of mike cheating playing a $550 sit n go tournament at Stones is it a coincidence HE WON FIRST PLACE Somebody else needs to look into this! ALOT OF SHADY **** GOING ON HERE IN THIS SESSION. We all thought it was just cash games...
He didn't win
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:46 PM   #3997
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Did you watch the stream? He came in second and if you watched hours and noticed something suspicious, it would help to include time stamps. Thanks for the link.

It seems the results after digging further are just a coincidence mike is probably not cheating in this session id be interested to hear someones opinion on the hand at 1 hour 3 minutes of this stream

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOew5mNY9XY&t=5122s

He is 100% cheating in this stream AND 100% cheating during this hand so why does he bluff the worst hand out in an empty side pot? and is it a coincidence the river was a 6 and mike would of actually lost VERY SUSPICIOUS.
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:47 PM   #3998
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Did you watch the stream? He came in second and if you watched hours and noticed something suspicious, it would help to include time stamps. Thanks for the link.
already been discussed ITT. I know it's a big one, but anyone new to the thread that thinks they've found something, may be worth a quick search first. May save you some viewing time too

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There is a $550 SnG that Mike gets 2nd, Justin comments on. It's the one that Carlos accuses him of cheating.

The Aug 30, 2018 stream, Justin comments on, people say Mike doesn't run God Mode on that stream and doesn't look like he's cheating, looks like he bought in for $1k and cashed out for $6k.

A lot are saying 100% Justin is the inside man (I am not saying he's not, I have no idea).

No one else took off in June that's part of production and/or works at casino?

Why come in at all in June when your inside man is not there? We've already proven he's a greedy idiot that can't help himself when he has chance to win a pot, why would he want to lose a session?

The best theory is the Twitch Key with that Bluetooth hat, and he could have got Twitch Key from anyone at Stones (including Justin)or someone that helped setup their streaming system or a hacker.

If he has twitch Key, he could have someone at home watching live feed and telling him thru Bluetooth cap the hole cards, Maybe on the losing days, the person watching twitch had internet issues.
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This is one where he won and Justin was in booth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=t59ddLJv6mo

The SnG that he came in 2nd Justin was in booth, there is another where cashes out $6k+ in a stream that Justin commented on.

Maybe when Justin is out of town, the inside person in production is moved to a different role and can't help him on those days.
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In the 3 that I have seen Justin commentate,

1.Mike wins $5k. Buys in $1k cashes out $6k i did not watch whole thing just skimmed thru.

2. $550 SnG he comes in 2nd, Carlos Welch accused him of cheating in that one.

3. In this one he pulls a huge bluff w/ air . I am not 100% sure that 1 and 3 aren't the same stream I have watched several https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=t59ddLJv6mo
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:48 PM   #3999
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By far the most frustrating aspect of this story is that Sportscenter is more intrigued by this story than the California gaming commission. I live in California, I wonder if perhaps we started a phone/email/snail mail campaign to California politicians we could start some more pressure to open up a government investigation?

As a total aside, the startup I currently works for makes sensors that monitors the RF airspace for any sort of active transmission, be it Wifi, bluetooth, or cellular. Currently we just have enterprise customers in big banking/defense but if you used our sensors on a livestream you could make sure none of the players had any sort of wireless receivers without strip searching them. Of course any cell phone usage would have to be totally banned otherwise there'd be no point. Though I brought this scandal up as a PR opportunity to our management and they didn't bite, and I think the price point would be out of budget for a poker livestream, but the tech to detect transmissions in airspace does exist.
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:49 PM   #4000
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The whistleblower here is Veronica. Without her, zero discussion would have taken place. If there is a bounty to collect, it should be hers.
IRS only cares about person who contacts them and reports possible tax cheat.
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