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Old 10-09-2019, 09:10 PM   #6976
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Old 10-09-2019, 09:11 PM   #6977
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I left them a message on Friday, we talked Monday, they called me Wednesday morning, agreed Joey is HOF for this, I'm trying to play catch up
Cool, was just curious how you got involved, maybe give them joeys contact, he’s gone through so many hands talked to most involved ppl so would make sense
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Old 10-09-2019, 09:11 PM   #6978
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I feel like Stones would want this to go away. If I had played in a bunch of games with Postle, I'd approach Stones quietly on the side and see if I can just sign something to say I won't sue or join the coplaintiffs. Seems like the best way to get paid - screw all that contingency stuff.
That's blackmail lol

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Old 10-09-2019, 09:32 PM   #6979
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Old 10-09-2019, 09:32 PM   #6980
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That's blackmail lol

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Old 10-09-2019, 09:34 PM   #6981
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I feel like Stones would want this to go away. If I had played in a bunch of games with Postle, I'd approach Stones quietly on the side and see if I can just sign something to say I won't sue or join the coplaintiffs. Seems like the best way to get paid - screw all that contingency stuff.
LOL! You clearly didn't think this through. So paying you off get Stones the massive benefit of you not joining the other 20+ people ALREADY suing Stones? You fail to realize that paying you off doesn't stop the existing lawsuit. Sounds like a nonstandard play
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Old 10-09-2019, 09:36 PM   #6982
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yeah no he's calling pre flop because he figures his implied odds are good enough to stack kings (or bluff him off on A high boards), then he calls flop because of backdoor draws, it's the same with the JTo hand where he float flop 932 against 99, but then folded on a J turn against half pot bet in a single raised pot and the pot was tiny
I agree with you preflop, but calling off 1/10 of your stack with just a backdoor diamond draw (with one of the diamonds dead since it pairs the board) and a backdoor quads draw (which is about 1 in 1000) is terrible -- the implied odds aren't close to being there. Even if he is guaranteed a free turn card (which he isn't) and guaranteed to bust KK when he hits, he still needs 30-40x odds. 10x in implied + 4x in dead money (already in the pot) is only 1/3 of what he needs.

Which is not to say that he is not cheating (he is), just that this is a very poor way to play postflop if you know your opponents' cards.
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Old 10-09-2019, 09:43 PM   #6983
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Peter,

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TY COULDN'T STAND TO WATCH THIS BULLSHIT!
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Old 10-09-2019, 09:46 PM   #6984
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Any Tunica players from the mid-2000s remember Postle working there as a dealer and Supervisor? It was on his LinkedIn page before he deleted it. Why would he delete this? Curious if he was fired for cheating there
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Old 10-09-2019, 09:46 PM   #6985
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During this live stream Veronica talks about how much Justin obstructed suspcions of Mike
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Old 10-09-2019, 09:46 PM   #6986
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I just want to point out that if you have important information for law enforcement contact them direct rather than using somebody else as a proxy.

Anybody else can do exactly what you did and contact the investigation direct - there is no reason to potentially compromise information by looping somebody in who doesn't provide much value to what you're trying to accomplish (no offense)

The investigative team details should be posted here for anybody who wants to send them info
To clarify, I called several numbers, Sacramento Police, Attorney General, then the California Gaming Commission, they directed me to the lead investigators private voicemail, he called me back on Monday, didn't give info in voicemail, just said I had info, could save hours of research in a 20 minute conversation
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Old 10-09-2019, 09:46 PM   #6987
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That's blackmail lol

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No that's not blackmail. Blackmail is saying you wont go to the police in exchange for money.
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Old 10-09-2019, 09:47 PM   #6988
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LOL! You clearly didn't think this through. So paying you off get Stones the massive benefit of you not joining the other 20+ people ALREADY suing Stones? You fail to realize that paying you off doesn't stop the existing lawsuit. Sounds like a nonstandard play
It’s one less person they have to worry about. Pay me off early and we both make out better on legal fees.
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Old 10-09-2019, 09:48 PM   #6989
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Any Tunica players from the mid-2000s remember Postle working there as a dealer and Supervisor? It was on his LinkedIn page before he deleted it. Why would he delete this? Curious if he was fired for cheating there
What poker room?
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Old 10-09-2019, 09:55 PM   #6990
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It’s one less person they have to worry about. Pay me off early and we both make out better on legal fees.
Sorry mate; you're over valuing your hand. You basically have pocket 6's and you open UTG, get three bet, then four bet and you're thinking "I'm totally ahead and should 5-bet jam my remaining 184 bb stack" Now; I'm not saying you can't, but good luck!
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Old 10-09-2019, 09:55 PM   #6991
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http://www.cgcc.ca.gov/?pageID=about...ame=About%20Us

"The Bureau of Gambling Control within the Department of Justice (DOJ), is the State law enforcement authority with special jurisdiction over gambling activities within the State of California."
Question for the lawyers: Why would this fall under federal jurisdiction? The only thing that I can think of is the Wire Act, but if the transmissions don't cross state lines, I thought that that didn't apply. Shouldn't this be handled completely by state authorities?
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Old 10-09-2019, 10:02 PM   #6992
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Casinos get away with anything they want. I hope the players get the best of them, but I wouldn't count on it.
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Old 10-09-2019, 10:04 PM   #6993
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Question for the lawyers: Why would this fall under federal jurisdiction? The only thing that I can think of is the Wire Act, but if the transmissions don't cross state lines, I thought that that didn't apply. Shouldn't this be handled completely by state authorities?
It’s a California state agency, not a federal agency.

(Also, hi everyone, like many others this Postle cheating saga has made me dig out my 2+2 info that I haven’t used in forever. Great work in this thread. Hope the bastard gets nailed.)
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Old 10-09-2019, 10:05 PM   #6994
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Show us Postle folding the best hand.
I'd like to make a quick point to try and end the stupid debate that PassiveIsBetter was heavily involved in.
There are at least 87 streamed sessions that Postle played in. He did not cheat in all of them. Indeed, it might even be that he only superused in 50% of them, or even fewer. Even when he had his cheating tools, he failed to use them in 100% of hands (e.g. when someone was lurking too close to him and his phone, or when his accomplice was temporarily unavailable).
There are likely hundreds of recorded examples where he didn't play like an omniscient god, and "folded the best hand", so discussing one hand where he played "normally" doesn't mean anything.
We need to identify all the sessions when he cheated, all the sessions when he didn't, and then also work out if he had accomplices, and ascertain whom they might be. (More on that in a post soon).
Discussing whether he should call pre with T8s when someone has KK in a randomly picked hand strikes me as a colossal waste of time.
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Old 10-09-2019, 10:07 PM   #6995
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Question for the lawyers: Why would this fall under federal jurisdiction? The only thing that I can think of is the Wire Act, but if the transmissions don't cross state lines, I thought that that didn't apply. Shouldn't this be handled completely by state authorities?
I have no idea whether the feds may have any jurisdiction here - there was some earlier discussion about structuring his cash outs, which if true, likely would - the link I sent is for the state gambling board tho, who would be investigating the cheating, which is within the California Department of Justice.
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Old 10-09-2019, 10:07 PM   #6996
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Question for the lawyers: Why would this fall under federal jurisdiction? The only thing that I can think of is the Wire Act, but if the transmissions don't cross state lines, I thought that that didn't apply. Shouldn't this be handled completely by state authorities?
I believe someone said they included civil RICO claim; my understanding is that would require it to be filed in federal court because RICO is a federal statute. But I'm just speculating.
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Old 10-09-2019, 10:20 PM   #6997
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We need to find out deafenatively if the AA hand was really 910. Also maybe only reason he told booth J4 was JJ was bc he showed his JJ at table.
I've been particularly interested in the hands involving RFID errors, or claims of errors. The AA hand (and a few others that have been mentioned) really was a misread by the RFID. You can see here, that it was corrected on screen to T9ss at showdown. Mark's cards are on the table. He has T9ss. In the previous hand he had AdAs. The "persistency error" is the explanation. His new cards (T9ss) weren't read pre-flop, so the software thought he still had AA.
Almost all the suspicious RFID 'errors' have adequate explanations like the above. I believe that the 88 that Postle claimed was 87 was simply a lie he told to JFK. There was no error in that hand.
In the J4o/JJ, it appears that the 4s, which was folded pre-flop by another player in the previous hand, persisted for one hand.
The most suspicious "error" was the 86o hand that turned into 98ss on screen. None of the explanations for other RFID-reading glitches can explain that one, as no one had the 8 or 6 in their holecards on the prior hand (and Postle had T7o), and the 9s and 8s were being read correctly in that session.
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Old 10-09-2019, 10:22 PM   #6998
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We all know Postle is cheating, but we need 100% proof. I dissected the only 10-25-50nl game on Stones Live Poker today. Last night I had it playing while watching Ingram's stream and didn't think he was in God mode at all, but after dissecting it today, he's in God mode but only after 3:31:00. First hand in God mode is AQ. Sorry for being off about that in the chat last night. Crazy to watch though. He's almost for sure not in God mode and crushing the game the first 3 and a half hours, then decides to flip the switch. Also there's a guy standing behind him from 2:32:40 until 3:26:00, he tries to go into God mode at 3:26:29, but realizes the guy is still standing beside him, so it would look fishy, so he gets up, walks around, misses a hand, comes back and the guy isn't standing behind him any more and he's almost 100% in God mode for the next 45 minutes. Plays completely different than the first 3 and a half hours, lots of crotch staring. I'm sure there are other examples of this, but after watching this, its safe to assume that he's always switching back and forth between playing legit and God mode, it's not a consistent thing. Also when he's not in God mode, he's still pretty damn good. He plays a few strange hand like the 45 v Ac9c, QJ v QT, and open folds A8o on the button in the last 30 minutes of the stream. Its tough to determine if he's in God mode in these hands, or if he's content with running $5k up to $26k and doesn't want to make it any more obvious, puke. The reason why I was so curious about this stream is because it was after allegations were made, cell phones were banned and it said God mode on the spreadsheet you guys made, with hours of him clearly not being in God mode. I thought Stones and Postle might have tried to play clean on this stream, but nope, just a 3 and a half hour set up winning 10k on top of the 10k he was already up.

Also I think it's worth noting his play against "Augie" after watching this stream. This is pure speculation and I have no proof other than the way they play a few hands, its just weird. The 65 v TT, A4 v KT, AQ v J9, its all just really really weird, could be nothing, but worth noting. If anyone can confirm or deny this, LMK.
I have been watching the stream of the 10/25/50 game from 9/21/19 and have a question. I believe this was after the phone ban (no phones visible anywhere) and I don't see anything under Postle's hat (not like before). Has this game been discussed in this thread in regards to how he could have been cheating?
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Old 10-09-2019, 10:22 PM   #6999
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I feel like Stones would want this to go away. If I had played in a bunch of games with Postle, I'd approach Stones quietly on the side and see if I can just sign something to say I won't sue or join the coplaintiffs. Seems like the best way to get paid - screw all that contingency stuff.
That doesn't really help Stones since there are many defendants. Once they see the evidence and how it could ultimately hurt them, then they'd look to pay everyone off, Stipulation of Settlement and have it settle out of the courtroom.

They are not being charge a fee per plaintiff. Their attorney, Lipman, will give one big fee. Although, my feeling is he will recuse himself from the case if he did in fact do the prior investigation that ended up with the "complete fabrication" claim.
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Old 10-09-2019, 10:26 PM   #7000
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It is federal jurisdiction because the plaintiffs are citizens of different states and even a country than the defendants.

It also involves the federal statutes listed beginning in paragraph 34... https://documentcloud.adobe.com/link...e-dc7d1610c53b
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