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Old 10-04-2019, 04:43 PM   #3226
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Old 10-04-2019, 04:43 PM   #3227
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As far as not speculating on other members of stones’ team being involved in this, I am not inclined to grant any respect of uninvolvement due to:

- The RFID system used records every single hand and all action of the hand. Chip counts, players action, result, chip stacks +-, etc. that it went this long and that it was already brought to Stones attention, and this fact that they could see at an InSTANT all stats that members here are uncovering at great effort, this to me means THIS WAS KNOWN AND COVERED UP. I think even innocent people on the life broadcast team are accountable. This is a criminal activity that would in a Nevada casino result in broad scale firings and criminal charges. Imagine if we had access to the hand history database from the beginning?

- Stones had their chance. No reason to protect reputation when players money gets ****ed with like this.

- as far as specific people involved as accomplices, everyone with access to the broadcast system is suspect until cleared of wrongdoing. This isn’t a trial we are not subject to constitutional factors in a 2P2 thread.

It’s gotta be brutal to those accountable at Stones. They put themselves in this spot and can deal with the fallout.
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Old 10-04-2019, 04:45 PM   #3228
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Really hope Matusow asks some intelligent questions.

It should be interesting either way.
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Old 10-04-2019, 04:45 PM   #3229
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Ah, the persistence issue shows up with the AA hand I mentioned. Mark has AdAs here: https://youtu.be/PX5ccjVEapY?t=10989
But in the next hand he had Ts9s, but the screen said AsAd again: https://youtu.be/PX5ccjVEapY?t=11230

Has someone got a link to the full session, or know the date of, the infamous 86o (or 98ss) hand? I've only seen it as a twitch clip on Joey's twitter.
That I do, got this **** bookmarked bc ppl ask for it so often lol.

The 86o to 98ss graphics change can be found here.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/365129696?t=02h30m44s

Also 88 where JFK claims he has 87o in yt chat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=0vaF0kwjQhg
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Old 10-04-2019, 04:45 PM   #3230
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Old 10-04-2019, 04:46 PM   #3231
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I bet both Mikes respect the other Mike for being the complete tool, that each Mike is.
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Old 10-04-2019, 04:48 PM   #3232
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On a serious note, if you are close to Mike, you should probably try to reach out to him. I really believe the guy should be on suicide watch. Seriously...

As a single dad who also raised a young daughter by myself, this is going to be devastating for him. He's going from almost a "God" in her mind to being a cheater, a criminal, and may do time in prison for this. Thinking how this will impact her will be devastating to him.

I realize he's still in denial mode, but that's going to end soon, when he realizes he's all alone and nobody is believing his lies anymore.

I am not trying to excuse his behavior. He stole thousands and thousands of dollars from many people over almost 2 years, it's really disgusting. But we all make mistakes, nobody is without guilt. Yes, this is particularly terrible, I know.... I'm just saying that if you once considered Mike a friend, you should really let him know you will be there for him to talk.

Also, Mike, if you are reading this: get a lawyer asap, if you haven't already. Tell him the truth, everything. And then figure out with him the best way out of this. Don't do or say anything about this to anyone but your lawyer. You can discuss your feelings with friends, but don't tell them anything about this, it will only hurt you later. Especially don't go on any podcasts or talk to any poker players to tell your side of the story. They will tell you they believe you, that you only need to get your story out there, etc. They are lying. They are only exploiting you.

I know it seems overwhelming, but you can still do the right thing. You can fix this with your daughter, but it all starts with the truth.
The **** is this? GTFO with this. What about the people he ****ing stole from? You don't think any of them have kids? You're worried about this scumbag when the people he stole from could be suicidal due to gambling losses THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE EVEN INCURRED?

Horrible look, bro.
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Old 10-04-2019, 04:49 PM   #3233
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Old 10-04-2019, 04:51 PM   #3234
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Hope Matusow asks him in detail about the allegations and not just let him give his version. Yeah, let the guy have his say but there are so many things for him to explain and not side step.
Joey's said he's had a conversation with him since the allegations. There's a reason he's going on Matusow's podcast instead of Joey's. I know I'm pointing out the elephant in the room here .
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Old 10-04-2019, 04:54 PM   #3235
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Old 10-04-2019, 04:55 PM   #3236
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Any Sacramento locals in here? Curious what the scene has been like at Stone’s this week. What do the players there think about it?
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Old 10-04-2019, 04:55 PM   #3237
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The **** is this? GTFO with this. What about the people he ****ing stole from? You don't think any of them have kids? You're worried about this scumbag when the people he stole from could be suicidal due to gambling losses THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE EVEN INCURRED?

Horrible look, bro.
I mean which part of of what he has said was wrong? He didn't say other players didn't need help, he just said Mike probably should be on suicide watch, which he should tbh, he does have a daughter and none of that is her fault
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Old 10-04-2019, 04:57 PM   #3238
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I think its possible he knows the community cards ahead of time as well and is thinking in his mind he is losing hands and staying under the radar by folding many winnable spots because he knows the outcomes. This backfires on him because he didnt lose enough to stay under he radar. Remember the flop is shown to us when the dealer deals the flop. Could he have access to the flop beforehand? if you had a direct feed could you theoretically know flops and community cards ahead of time as well?

Also we know Justin loves talking in twitch and youtube chats many times when Mike is in god mode. We need to research more into that. Remember when watching these archives on twitch and youtube they also archive the chat in real time for the last couple of years. This needs to be looked into more. Anything suspicious said? If he had more accomplices i suspect they were also in the live stream chat from time to time!

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Old 10-04-2019, 04:57 PM   #3239
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Old 10-04-2019, 04:57 PM   #3240
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The **** is this? GTFO with this. What about the people he ****ing stole from? You don't think any of them have kids? You're worried about this scumbag when the people he stole from could be suicidal due to gambling losses THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE EVEN INCURRED?

Horrible look, bro.
Well, it's not his daughter's fault his dad is (allegedly) a scum. And he wasn't that worried about him but his daughter. Mike is hardcore dick for sure, but I don't know why you get riled up about him hoping this doesn't destroy her life too.
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Old 10-04-2019, 05:00 PM   #3241
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I met Postle about a year and a half ago during a blackjack tournament up in Reno and we talked for a bit and traded some action since we were the only competent players on a winner take all table. He seemed like a nice enough guy, although super cocky and a bit oversure of his abilities. He ended up chopping the tournament and he did pay me my cut (although instead of just giving me my cut he asked me how much I wanted, like giving me my cut was him doing me a favor and I might ask for less than we agreed on).

While we played we chatted a bit, and he brought up the ban from Caesar's properties (the story he told me about it was an even more outrageous version of the one told in this thread), and my buddy came over who happened to know Postle as well. I talked with that same buddy when these allegations came out, because he had played with Postle both on Stones Live, but also previously up in Reno and at Stones. He said Postle was always a crazy aggressive player, so the aggro play on stream isn't out of character, but although he seems reluctant to agree Mike was cheating, he admits the winrate on stream is crazy.
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Old 10-04-2019, 05:01 PM   #3242
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Smart enough to never make a mistake? 100% success on bluffs, no post flop errors? No. My wife knows zippo about poker and she said....why didn't lose some on purpose to hide it?
He didn't lose on purpose because he was greedy.

Whenever I tell someone a story about someone that made a million dollars at blackjack and then lost it all they always ask me why they didn't stop at a million dollars. For the same reason they didn't stop at $500k or $200k or $50k or $20k. The decision can be considered stupid or reckless but it doesn't mean the person making the decision is stupid.

Everyone that is calling him stupid, do you not realize that if it were not for a single whistle blower, Mike Postle would still be fleecing thousands of dollars from players every week in front of hundreds of viewers? He literally got away with what he was doing for a year on livestream of all places and even today with mounting evidence there are still some that will defend him.
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Old 10-04-2019, 05:01 PM   #3243
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I think its possible he knows the community cards ahead of time as well and is thinking in his mind he is losing hands and staying under the radar by folding many winnable spots because he knows the outcomes. This backfires on him because he didnt lose enough to stay under he radar. When the flop is shown on stream to us viewers, if you had a direct feed could you theoretically know flops and community cards ahead of time as well?
I don't think he knows. That would be way harder to do, and if he did know the run out he should play way differently. Like if he knows nut fd will miss he could and should put hard pressure earlier. Luckily he is super bad at concealing what he is doing. I'm just afraid there is someone out there who knows how to go undetected and still make **** loads of money. Him not willing to lose his stack here and there is super shortsighted from him.
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Old 10-04-2019, 05:02 PM   #3244
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Any Sacramento locals in here? Curious what the scene has been like at Stone’s this week. What do the players there think about it?
It seems like most people into the poker scene is pretty awestruck by the situation.

I'm really curious as to if they make their guarantee this weekend.

I had to stop by a card room and I ran into an old friend playing 1/3. I was really surprised to find out he had no idea about the situation.

So short answer, I have no idea what the bigger picture looks like.
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Old 10-04-2019, 05:04 PM   #3245
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https://www.twitch.tv/videos/381941687?t=8032s

Picture of mikes phone with apps. Zoom in. 2:13:52. Is that the same device found from joeys stream? What apps are on that phone. Im on mobile so i cant dissect and zoom currently. But that looks like his device he uses for sure. Is that a normal phone with normal apps?
That phone looks different than the phone he used in later streams. He had a white phone in later streams.
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Old 10-04-2019, 05:06 PM   #3246
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Guys you can literally see the camera on his new black bracelet in the stream Joey reviewed last night with the new cards. This is why he bets with his right hand and hides his left hand until he is in a hand then he points his forearm towards the table, just like when he looks down using his other method when the camera is hidden in hat, he is pointing the top of the hat (camera) towards the table. And then the third method where the camera is in keys, also pointing at table. But look closely at the bracelet when he aims it at table you can see the camera. Also it looks exactly like the one in this video, this is clear guys compare them for yourself.
https://youtu.be/etBIjFw1NiI
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Old 10-04-2019, 05:06 PM   #3247
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I met Postle about a year and a half ago during a blackjack tournament up in Reno and we talked for a bit and traded some action since we were the only competent players on a winner take all table. He seemed like a nice enough guy, although super cocky and a bit oversure of his abilities. He ended up chopping the tournament and he did pay me my cut (although instead of just giving me my cut he asked me how much I wanted, like giving me my cut was him doing me a favor and I might ask for less than we agreed on).

While we played we chatted a bit, and he brought up the ban from Caesar's properties (the story he told me about it was an even more outrageous version of the one told in this thread), and my buddy came over who happened to know Postle as well. I talked with that same buddy when these allegations came out, because he had played with Postle both on Stones Live, but also previously up in Reno and at Stones. He said Postle was always a crazy aggressive player, so the aggro play on stream isn't out of character, but although he seems reluctant to agree Mike was cheating, he admits the winrate on stream is crazy.
Would you care to share the version of the story you were told? Also, no one's really doubting that he had a crazy aggressive style before, it doesn't hurt the cheating narrative at all. It actually makes sense that in his mind he thought he could justify his plays with his aggressive image that he built up over the years.
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Old 10-04-2019, 05:07 PM   #3248
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I'm just afraid there is someone out there who knows how to go undetected and still make **** loads of money.
It’s almost guaranteed this has gone on undetected at other times in games where the cheaters didn’t make it as obvious or get as greedy. That chinese device has been around for years and successfully took £300k from games in a casino in Glasgow. They also got greedy but some must exist who flew under the radar.
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Old 10-04-2019, 05:08 PM   #3249
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This is why he conceals his wrist under table he his hiding his magic bracelet until it is time to aim it, which conveniently is hidden 90% of time due to his seats camera angle
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Old 10-04-2019, 05:08 PM   #3250
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The 86o to 98ss graphics change can be found here.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/365129696?t=02h30m44s
I've watched the 30 mins after that hand. Although Justin is seen walking back and forth several times, he does not seem to speak to Mike, apart from briefly, and Mike reacts to whatever is said by clapping a couple of times. (the camera is not always on him ofc)

There is nothing in the accompanying twitch chat from admin, unlike the 88/TT hand. I don't see how Taylor told the comms Mike had 89s. Which leaves the Q of when the change was made.

The commentary is absolutely nauseating btw
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