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Old 10-06-2019, 01:05 PM   #4726
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I tried to do exactly that with my sheet with timestamped links but nobody was contributing. So if you or anybody else would be willing to contribute to this that would be awesome.

Link to sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

Go to the "Hands" tab at the bottom. We're gonna create a big list of all the most suspicious hands. Anybody with the link should be able to make edits.
very good job
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Old 10-06-2019, 01:10 PM   #4727
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Scott Van Pelt made the best analogy when he said imagine playing pickup basketball with a guy that missed a shot like once every couple years. He’d be playing in the NBA. Why is Postle only playing in Stone streams when he could be cleaning up in Vegas.
I think a better analogy would be football.

Imagine an NFL defense calls the right defense 100% of the time. Not just calling a run defense against a run, but stacking the exact planned run route with 3 defenders. Double and triple coverage on every primary receiving route. Never once going after a running back on a play-action. Figuring out every single trick play.

Calling the exact right defense once or twice wouldn't raise eyebrows, because it's possible to be right. But doing it for every play of an entire game or entire season is impossible. The only way you could do that is if you had the offenses play calls, just like Postle had access to hole cards.
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Old 10-06-2019, 01:10 PM   #4728
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He's already defended this. He has to stay close to Sacramento (how close? no clue) due to court order so the mother of his child can exercise her visitation rights. He isn't looking for the limelight. He prefers the soft games at Stones over a game with a bunch of pros. Game selection is extremely important to him (he made it sound like his entire career was built upon leeching money from terrible players). He's not looking for the most money or to put in the most hours. He is very happy making just enough to get by and support his family and take vacations.
Single Dad with sole custody of daughter here - he's not making sense.

You want the best for your daughter, and part of that is spending time with her.

Since Postle states he is one of the best in the world, he could play 2 hours of poker a month at Bobby's Room vs 3 nights a week or more at Stones and make a lot more money. You could also hire a full time nanny with that extra cash instead of babysitters as well.

I saw a DNEGs video of a visit to Bobby's and he made $82k in 2 1/2 hours, Gus Hanson was at his table. As Postle is one of the best he could definitely do this

https://youtu.be/EjtZ_xdxM9g
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Old 10-06-2019, 01:12 PM   #4729
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This. You can't make any conclusions based on his demeanor or be folly to think you can. In fact Judges, even CIA agents are generally statistically horrible at figuring out who's guilty or lying. And it'd be totally natural for an innocent person to lose sleep over this also.

Often it HURTS to meet the person and look for secondary patterns, (just ask western leaders that met with Hitler, believed he was a stand up guy and that he wouldn't step out of his boundaries and start a war)


Let's stick to the hard evidence, and feels like now all that remains is to fill in some details, get evidence on conspirators and concrete proofs and or direct witnesses

And then move it to law?
As a former CIA employee, they are “officers,” not “agents.” Agents are the people we recruit.
We are trained to spot deception. There are certain things your unconscious mind does that can give you away. Some things you can control. Others you cannot. You cannot over rule your sympathetic nervous system outside of taking medications, such as beta blockers. However, there are still psychological things deceptive people do. Secret Service members test out the best as far as picking up on deceptive behavior.
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Old 10-06-2019, 01:14 PM   #4730
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PC 484 offers up to three years for fraud by deception. The gaming statute doesn't have anything for cheating at poker. This would be a civil matter only, though it can definitely affect the licensee. The gaming code defines player banked games only as I read it.
The CA law says that cheating at any gambling game carries the same penalty as larceny of the same amount, only with reduced maximum fines (but the same jail time). Max fine is only $5k for a first offense; $10k for a 2nd.

It doesn't only cover player backed games, or even only games offered at a casino/cardroom. It covers all gambling (legal or otherwise). They even specifically mention 3 card monte in the law.
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Old 10-06-2019, 01:19 PM   #4731
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How is that a good analogy at all . Does the height of the ring change in NBA vs. pickup basketball? Is there money to be lost by trying out for the NBA?



I don't get why weak arguments like "BuT wHy IsN't He MoViNg Up?" are necessary when there's a TON of much more incriminating evidence out there.
Might want to edit the post and remove those edgy capital letters....

Simple, greed. If he was cheating on his own he would take his scam up the food chain. He isn't, why? He has people specifically connected to that game/location and without them he has no edge.

It corroborates the claim he is cheating in that specific setup/game.
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Old 10-06-2019, 01:19 PM   #4732
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As a former CIA employee, they are “officers,” not “agents.” Agents are the people we recruit.
We are trained to spot deception. There are certain things your unconscious mind does that can give you away. Some things you can control. Others you cannot. You cannot over rule your sympathetic nervous system outside of taking medications, such as beta blockers. However, there are still psychological things deceptive people do. Secret Service members test out the best as far as picking up on deceptive behavior.
Oh **** CIA in here. Any connections to the legal world to lock him up? No way we can let him walk freely.
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Old 10-06-2019, 01:21 PM   #4733
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Oh **** CIA in here. Any connections to the legal world to lock him up? No way we can let him walk freely.
You do know that CIA is an information gathering agency that is legally forbidden to operate within the United States and not a law enforcement agency?
I was merely disputing some information posted here about our ability to spot deception as compared to the general public.
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Old 10-06-2019, 01:24 PM   #4734
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You do know that CIA is an information gathering agency that is legally forbidden to operate within the United States and not a law enforcement agency?
I was merely disputing some information posted here about our ability to spot deception as compared to the general public.
I know but you don't know any lawyers or someone who can do something? Sick of cheaters and scammers who won't be locked up for what they have done.
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Old 10-06-2019, 01:27 PM   #4735
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I know but you don't know any lawyers or someone who can do something? Sick of cheaters and scammers who won't be locked up for what they have done.
The national attention this has gotten makes it highly unlikely he doesn't pay a real price here. About the only logic way I can come up with is the argument that an unbiased jury could not be found. CNBC has a feature on it. CNBC is business news, Stone is not public. No real reason for them to mention it aside from it being that big of a story.
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Old 10-06-2019, 01:28 PM   #4736
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You do know that CIA is an information gathering agency that is legally forbidden to operate within the United States and not a law enforcement agency?
I was merely disputing some information posted here about our ability to spot deception as compared to the general public.

If you are indeed an officer you'd know that's not entirely true
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Old 10-06-2019, 01:28 PM   #4737
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Hey Guys,
I took this from investigation #3 4:58:00 Mark

Is he switching the infrared-light (hinden in his collar) on by pressing his hat?
His shirt could be coatet to even look funny coloured (far more red though) and make the infrared light very hard to spot. You could spot this with a simple smartphone-cam if not hidden.
His Phone-Device on the rail at this very moment would scan the cards an tell him via Bluetooth on his Bone-Headphone.

I wonder if such an anaomaly apears on pictures of other cheat-streams to.
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Old 10-06-2019, 01:32 PM   #4738
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There are so many rumors about Mike Postle, one I heard and if it is true everyone at the casino management should make sure their resumes are up to date, like they wil be able to find a jb after this. Anyway here is what someone said, Mike Postle was employed by the company that installed the tables and system. If I worked at McDonald's I can't win a big Mac but This so called Casino allows employs that installed the system to play on the system?

I see Stones discontinued live streaming though.
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Old 10-06-2019, 01:32 PM   #4739
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You do know that CIA is an information gathering agency that is legally forbidden to operate within the United States and not a law enforcement agency?
I was merely disputing some information posted here about our ability to spot deception as compared to the general public.
Very nice explanation you gave . I dont know why other guy is actig like that.

do you have any examples of those deceptive things you said ? any link to read ? not related with poker, more in general.
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Old 10-06-2019, 01:35 PM   #4740
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The people doing the investigation MUST include some professional poker players so they can talk about how impossible it is the way he’s playing these hands. If this is just a bunch of people looking for devices he’s gonna get off.
totally disagree, playing poker and winning in in ways that seem impossible is not a crime anywhere in the world. Outside of 2+2 it is nothing more than circumstantial evidence

Cheating using devices in a card game in a licensed CA Card Club is a crime in CA (upto 10K fine and 1yr in Jail). I think conspiring with others to commit any crime breaks several fed laws.

Doubtful that Postale and co-conspirators left no trail as they planned and ran this scam. This is the evidence that will convict them, not shoving with 84.


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. Anyway here is what someone said, Mike Postle was employed by the company that installed the tables and system.

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huh ?

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Old 10-06-2019, 01:37 PM   #4741
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Every time I read the phrase "if he's innocent" I get triggered

Please listen to the people who understand poker and have combed over dozens of hours of his play. He's guilty. Innocence is just not a remote goddamn possibility. My god, if Postle's dot on the Potripper graph doesn't tell you that literally by itself, then you don't understand what you're looking at. He's statistically proven guilty. Nevermind how obviously guilty he is in so many other ways

All that matters is if we'll get a real confession or not
agree.

Its the same seeing DNA blood evidence from a murder and saying "this does not prove'' lol. The poker hands how he played several hands already prove he was cheating, no doubt, 100% sure .
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Old 10-06-2019, 01:37 PM   #4742
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Very nice explanation you gave . I dont know why other guy is actig like that.

do you have any examples of those deceptive things you said ? any link to read ? not related with poker, more in general.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jwUXV4QaTw

Last edited by Videopro; 10-06-2019 at 02:16 PM. Reason: to embed all you need is the video's alpha numeric address from the end of the link, not the complete link
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Old 10-06-2019, 01:43 PM   #4743
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This is so weird...what is he freaking out above and why is he throwing a temper tantrum?

He really seems like an insufferable prick.
This one is a bunny.......there are 2 TVs right behind the table.....I'm sure there is a game on he is reacting to.

Given the date and screentime, one could probably even figure out exactly what play and game if they wanted...
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Old 10-06-2019, 01:44 PM   #4744
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Also this happened July 30th 2018, So it was just around the time he started god mode. Is that blue screen related to the rfid raw data stream he could be getting?
You would expect a blue screen if you were VNCed into a Windows machine with the default background.

If it were a custom app, you'd expect them to be smart enough not to use the brightest possible colors.
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Old 10-06-2019, 01:45 PM   #4745
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agree.

Its the same seeing DNA blood evidence from a murder and saying "this does not prove'' lol. The poker hands how he played several hands already prove he was cheating, no doubt, 100% sure .

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Old 10-06-2019, 01:50 PM   #4746
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24:30 We can see mike phone turn on with a big blue screen as he gets up. Does that all blue screen mean anything with regards to obs, the stream setup, the live feed, or etc....?

Because it clearly isn't a regular homescreen. Could the all blue be the background to the software that shows the hole cards? Anyone zoom in on that blue screen, it almost looks like a line of text towards the top? I need you 2 plus 2 detectives to zoom in and .25 speed that video frame by frame LETS GO. 24:30

https://youtu.be/WaWPHGvuqDg?t=1461
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This is the best frame of it:

Blue and green are common colors used in television for chroma keying graphics, so yes, this may be the direct output of the card graphics generator.

Another method is to generate graphics with an grey scale alpha channel that acts as a mask to overlay the graphics. Even with the alpha channel, the backgrounds may be blue or green, but they are usually black in that case.

Chroma keying is an easier and cheaper way to produce graphic overlays.

It would be pretty reckless of him to open carry the phone while it was on this display. I am amazed that nobody in the room ever picked up on it.
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Old 10-06-2019, 01:51 PM   #4747
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You would expect a blue screen if you were VNCed into a Windows machine with the default background.

If it were a custom app, you'd expect them to be smart enough not to use the brightest possible colors.
Screen sharing from a PC?

From what I understand, as long as you have a twitch key / obs key you can watch the stream in realtime and no one needs to know. There is no separate "password" assigned to it, just the key.

Easy enough to setup a computer and phone to view the desktop...

I really think he is more just having someone give him info.
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Old 10-06-2019, 01:54 PM   #4748
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Its the same seeing DNA blood evidence from a murder and saying "this does not prove'' lol. The poker hands how he played several hands already prove he was cheating, no doubt, 100% sure .
To experienced poker players. A jury will have many with no knowledge of poker at all. It is highly likely that at least one would be confused and/or boarded against casinos or "low life gamblers". Get corroborating evidence, testimony from someone that was involved and flipped, etc....and it's a much tidier case to prosecute. The mere fact that there are some poker player ITT that believe he is innocent shows that the obvious is lost on some that handle some concept of the game. To a lay person......might create migraines. Attorneys have stated here the difficulty in taking the case based on complicated math. Negreanu gave an in-depth analysis on his Twitter page. "He cheated", entire dialogue. Postle isn't going to try and convince 12 experienced poker players he did not cheat. His attorney will seek jurors that seem capable of having doubt.
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Old 10-06-2019, 01:55 PM   #4749
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Screen sharing from a PC?

From what I understand, as long as you have a twitch key / obs key you can watch the stream in realtime and no one needs to know. There is no separate "password" assigned to it, just the key.

Easy enough to setup a computer and phone to view the desktop...

I really think he is more just having someone give him info.
Yes, screen sharing. They are not in the cloud. Their tech set up consists of a windows work station running PokerGFX as a "server", with limited access to that machine.

The Twitch stream is always going to be delayed, we are talking about the live processing going on that eventually gets sent to the Twitch/YT streams.

This is by far the easiest solution, although that shade of blue from the screenshot a few posts above, seems more blue than default background. But I do have info on their tech setup as being what I described (Windows box acting as server).
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Old 10-06-2019, 01:56 PM   #4750
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Blue and green are common colors used in television for chroma keying graphics, so yes, this may be the direct output of the card graphics generator.

Another method is to generate graphics with an grey scale alpha channel that acts as a mask to overlay the graphics. Even with the alpha channel, the backgrounds may be blue or green, but they are usually black in that case.

Chroma keying is an easier and cheaper way to produce graphic overlays.

It would be pretty reckless of him to open carry the phone while it was on this display. I am amazed that nobody in the room ever picked up on it.
He didnt open carry it though. In the video he hit the resume button on his phone and that showed up for a split second then he clicked it off. Watch it. The bideo is timed stamped a couple pages back.
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