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Old 10-05-2019, 10:45 PM   #4351
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Postle also has his head in his phone as the cards are dealt and doesn't pay attention to the other guy so there's no way he knows the guy hasn't put the cards on the scanner. He only says something when he realizes he's taken a flop with him.
You're right, I just looked at that specifically. Great catch, that makes this hand in particular look even worse.
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Old 10-05-2019, 10:46 PM   #4352
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Postle asks the guy next to him to show his cards on the scanner - I don't see the dealer pointing this out - WTF lol

https://youtu.be/O1Z_IvWUCAg?t=1562
Lmao, this is unreal. I hope he gets what’s coming to him.
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Old 10-05-2019, 10:47 PM   #4353
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Didn't you hear the commentators? He's ahead of the game.
Smoking Gun????
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Old 10-05-2019, 10:48 PM   #4354
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Postle asks the guy next to him to show his cards on the scanner - I don't see the dealer pointing this out - WTF lol

https://youtu.be/O1Z_IvWUCAg?t=1562
anyone tells me to do something i raise doubt they are in on something
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Old 10-05-2019, 10:49 PM   #4355
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Postle asks the guy next to him to show his cards on the scanner - I don't see the dealer pointing this out - WTF lol

https://youtu.be/O1Z_IvWUCAg?t=1562
Incredible.

Even more puke that in the hand he seems to runner runner cooler the poor guy and win a decent pot. OFC this couldn't be the one hand that guy has AAxXX or A6XX.

Postle really is a god.
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Old 10-05-2019, 10:49 PM   #4356
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Postle asks the guy next to him to show his cards on the scanner - I don't see the dealer pointing this out - WTF lol

https://youtu.be/O1Z_IvWUCAg?t=1562
It’s not fair he can’t see everyone’s cards lol
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Old 10-05-2019, 10:49 PM   #4357
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Postle asks the guy next to him to show his cards on the scanner - I don't see the dealer pointing this out - WTF lol

https://youtu.be/O1Z_IvWUCAg?t=1562
LOLOL! He's clairvoyant.
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Old 10-05-2019, 10:49 PM   #4358
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Mikes favorite SEAT 2 position happens to be the best seat if you plan on cheating and want to be off camera as much as possible. When you see the main camera that shows all players you only see the back of the head of seat 2. Remember, other players stated he would be the first person at the table prior to these GOD sessions just to lock in Seat 2, but I’m not sure 100% of his GOD sessions were all in that seat, but makes sense.
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Old 10-05-2019, 10:49 PM   #4359
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wb ppl in the chat of the streams like BrainFodder. i think he might be someones relative who knows something??
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Old 10-05-2019, 10:50 PM   #4360
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Postle asks the guy next to him to show his cards on the scanner - I don't see the dealer pointing this out - WTF lol

https://youtu.be/O1Z_IvWUCAg?t=1562
One brick at a time. Keep it coming people.
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Old 10-05-2019, 10:52 PM   #4361
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Seen a couple of people asking about the possible legal implications for Postle, and this insightful contribution was made yesterday.

Also there is already a legal team working on it - 4 poker players who also happen to be lawyers

https://twitter.com/mac_verstandig/s...961164800?s=20

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I am a criminal defense attorney in CA. I've played on the Stones Live game, though not against Mike, and I've given this a lot of thought over the last few dsys.

The meat of the charges against Mike would be violations of Penal Code Sec. 332. That code says that cheating at a game to gain an unfair advantage over other players means that your winnings are fraudulently obtained, and it is punishable as larceny of the amount obtained.

Larceny is punishable as a misdemeanor (maximum 6 months in jail) if the amount stolen is $950 or less. It can be a felony, grand theft, if the amount is greater than $950.

I think there'd be a strong argument that Mike could not just be prosecuted for each individual session, as you speculate. You're right. He could and likely would be prosecuted for each individual session.

More than that though, I think that Mike could face a distinct felony charge of grand theft for every single pot won where he profited more than $950.

The first grand theft charge he was convicted of could carry up to 3 years in jail. Each additional count could carry an additional 8 months.

That thought is really just an exercise in what-ifs though. He wouldn't ever be charged in that manner, because:

1. Proving beyond a reasonable doubt that he cheated during a session is significantly easier and less time-consuming than proving cheating in individual hands, and

2. At ~60 cheating sessions, that's more than enough potential jail time to throw around at the negotiating table, and easily enough to satisfy any reasonable opinion on what would be a just sentence.

Details that may be somewhat peculiar to California, if anybody cares (this is all assuming Mike doesn't just receive probation. I can't fathom that he would.):

- In this circumstance, sentences on individual counts could be run concurrently, in whole or in part. Going down on 60 counts doesn't automatically equate to a 40+ year sentence.

- Because of prison overcrowding in California, assuming that Mike has no prior serious or violent felony offenses, and isn't a registered sex offender, he'd serve the custody portion of his sentence in jail, not prison.

- Mike would be presumptively elligible for a "split sentence" on his jail time. A portion of his sentence would be served in custody. The remainder would be served on "mandatory supervision." He'd effectively be serving the rest of his sentence on probation, and could return to custody for some or all whatever time remains on his sentence if he violated.

- Assuming Mike didn't lose good time or work time credits for disciplinary reasons in jail, he'd only actually serve half of the custody time imposed. It's also possible that he could serve a portion of the custody time at home in an ankle monitor.





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Old 10-05-2019, 10:53 PM   #4362
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Postle asks the guy next to him to show his cards on the scanner - I don't see the dealer pointing this out - WTF lol

https://youtu.be/O1Z_IvWUCAg?t=1562
wtf? out of everything this seems the most blatant
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Old 10-05-2019, 10:54 PM   #4363
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mike and kenny (new production guy) back there in the hand he tells him to check the scanner
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Old 10-05-2019, 10:56 PM   #4364
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As much as people don't want to hear it, he really does sometimes go crazy post-flop, without knowing the holecards. The commentators mention Postle and The Lawyer are battling to be table captain.
FWIW, later in that session, Postle 3-bet/calls AQo when the Lawyer has QQ (and someone else has TT), and then snap-folds on JJx. In superuser mode, I think he plays it very differently.

What are you talking about? Just watched 5 hands from the session you linked to and it's just his standard GodMode.

Here is Mike's MO:
1. Call preflop as often as conceivably possible to keep up his image as the chimerical hyperloose soulreading crusher while enticing the other players to loosen as well. 3bet wide but only when your opponent doesn't have a monster or you have a better monster.

2. On the flop, if you have any piece whatsoever, play perfect by folding to monsters (unless you have a top pair type hand that would draw suspicion), raise/checkraise when they have nothing, otherwise call.

3. On the turn play absolutely perfect by just folding if you don't have much equity. Lead if they will likely check and you are ahead. Checkraise if they have a monster and you are ahead. If they have a monster and you're behind, lead small so when they raise you get away cheap. If checked to, play perfect. If bet to, simply raise anytime you're ahead.

4. On the river, check if you are ahead and they have nothing. Bet if you are ahead and they have something. Checkraise if you are ahead and they have monster. If you're behind, just checkfold unless you have betting lead and they're at bottom of their range. Then bet big. If you're in position, just play perfect unless you have a monster and they have a better monster. Then just call not to raise suspicion.

(1) explains the AQo call. The QJ bluff is his standard river bluff with betting lead. Watch the A3 vs A9 hand or the 72 vs JJ hand both of which he bluffs at an opponent at the bottom of their range but they unexpectedly hero. If Mike bluffs turn he VERY rarely doesn't bluff river b/c generally his opponents remain at the bottom of their range.
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Old 10-05-2019, 10:57 PM   #4365
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Wow! What a graph...Thx
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Old 10-05-2019, 10:58 PM   #4366
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6-Months in jail, 3-5 Years Probation, Repayment, and BANNED!


Cases like this dont come often and they want to make an example to deter others.
This seems fair but I would argue he should have to repay more than he stole for the hardship he may have caused some people.
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Old 10-05-2019, 11:03 PM   #4367
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This seems fair but I would argue he should have to repay more than he stole for the hardship he may have caused some people.
i agree, and he should get a lifetime ban from ever touching a deck of cards or gambling
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Old 10-05-2019, 11:05 PM   #4368
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Listened to Doug and Joey talk about the device that could be in his hat.

If this is cheating, and the more they look into it, it appears to be, it’s unreal he’s won almost 300K at 1-3, 2-5, 5-5. Just win 4-6 sessions and he could have done this for years and been under the radar.

Potripper 2.0?


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Old 10-05-2019, 11:07 PM   #4369
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i agree, and he should get a lifetime ban from ever touching a deck of cards or gambling
also there should be a clause in there some where that he can't profit off this once he gets out of jail. movie rights, book deals, anything.
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Old 10-05-2019, 11:09 PM   #4370
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Through it all, what stands out to me the most is that not one opponent of his thought something was screwy - I don’t know how often these people were playing together, but the fact that he plays a preflop style that a human cannot win with coupled with never making mistakes postflop (and oh yeah the fact that he never lost in all those sessions) would have set off alarm bells almost immediately.

Then again, lol live donks
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Old 10-05-2019, 11:09 PM   #4371
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MM podcast is out. Probably better to just listen to Joey listening to it.
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Old 10-05-2019, 11:11 PM   #4372
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Grunching the last half day or so.

If MP is going back to his phone/live stream in middle of lots of turns, he could be going back to see folded preflop hands for card removal. If you get to the turn of a HU pot in 9m game, you can know what more than 1/4 of the the remaining cards are by seeing folded hands. Thats pretty huge when deciding whether to chase certain hands with high implied odds and also how to price his protection bets better. I dont know how deep we should get explainiing it but accomplice could watch livestream, feed villains left in hand after flop's cards, and then give cheating player "a count" on turn to know whether folded hands improve his equity or opponent's and to what degree.

If this is bad to post please report and we can have it deleted.

From watching the yt vid of the two guys that played the bigger games there (Durky maybe) the cell phone banning was a gradual thing until they got super serious about it at the end. I assume MP saw the writing on the wall (esp if he had inside help) and started to incorporate new ways to cheat. Similarly to with checking his phone alot on flops and turns, if when he was straining to hear by pressing hands to his hat was in those spots, he was prob trying to get info on folded cards. Esp in HU pots where he would have known villains hand already.

I would assume he wasnt getting too much playing advice since he considers himself (and most likley is) a vastly superior player than the others suspected of conspiring. And how to max exploit a non gto player in a spot you know their cards isnt something any gto calc will be that good at i dont think.
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Old 10-05-2019, 11:12 PM   #4373
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Old 10-05-2019, 11:13 PM   #4374
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https://themouthpiece.podbean.com/e/...t-mike-postle/
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Old 10-05-2019, 11:18 PM   #4375
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What is Veronica doing now?

What is Veronica doing now? Unemployed?
We (the poker community) should raise money to her!
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