It still looks like idiotic machismo. The edge is pretty small at high stakes, and will certainly take a dent when you can't even stay awake.

It wasn't creepy, it was just weird, and not a good weird.

FMP & FYP

a few things made me laugh pretty good this week.

Phil: patrick is up...... 315
PA : sweeeeet.

Ivey : so when we gonna move to 400 / 800 ?
Durr : why don't we skip and just do 500 / 1000
Howard : hold up guys we just moved to 3 / 6, hold up we can't just go up already

FYP

I'm not gonna bother reading the thread, and I am sure this has been said 100 times, but omfg Lederer is so bad it is tilting the hell out of me!

<3 Ziigmund.

durr gives a well thought out analysis of the k2 diamonds hand, and Ziigmund is like **** happens.

You want Ziigmund to do a well thought out analysis? It's gonna take a whole episode I think, because he no good english speak!

Btw. Howard said "He might've made a wheel on the river" in a clearly joking way.

Anyone know of a post that explains the props?

I understand they each pick a few cards and if they hit they win.

1) How does doubles get activated? If two of the same card hits like JJ?

2) What if you are playing 10 5 3 and the flop is 103x is that doubles too?

3) Do you hit triples if it comes JJJ?

4) The doubles seems to be active for the hand after it is hit is that right?

5) How are suits involved?

I don't know why anyone analyzes any hands they played when they aren't even playing poker. These action junkies are betting 50k EACH on the outcome of the flop and these prop bets are literally influencing play. Although many hands were tainted, Zigmund's was the worst. He went all in for almost 90k into a 7.8K pot (and lost to Dwan's jacks) just because he had 2 red cards and didn't want to see the flop because he bet black. For those of you who don't know: Before they see their hands one person takes black, and another red, and then on flop whatever color shows more that person wins. If theres no flop then its a tie. It's no different than literally flipping a quarter on the side. 1.5 million on the line isn't enough for these feins, and so they wager more on coin flips than they do in the actual game. None of them do drugs(maybe rarely) that i know of, but they sure show similarities between them and an implusive cokehead. Imagine if they did some drugs and what would happen next: "What you got aces? All in? I call whatever....anyway lets bet 500k how long the waiter takes to get our drinks, and another 500k on the camera mans age. Nah thats just insane....so we better make it 2 million and a 1 million bonus if you get it exact. Also, and more importantly, loser buys the coke!!...........who are we kidding we'll both buy it anyway!!!!"

Get Lederer out so these guys can play 500/1000.

This is right. Note also that because a player with 2 of the opposite color has a .06 edge on a 50K bet, simply seeing a flop with any two black cards (if you're red) is worth 3K in EV. So Ivey's limp/calling up to 3K (or even a bit more since he can win the pot sometimes) is actually +EV.

On a similar note, I think Ivey has a pretty good edge over ziigmund in the red/black prop. Since he acts after ziigmund preflop on 5/6 hands, he has more control over what card colors see a flop.

There was one moment were i was like....... yessssss.

The triple stradle 88 vs 99 hand. Y dont they do that every blind? that wud be **** class

y did durrrr fold OTB n hand out $900? also wud have been funny if he had AA

Just from the lineup, I think Dwan/Eli are the most likely to win the most, but I think Ivey/Antonius have better E(V).

The directors cut was actually rly pro!

Yeah Durr is pretty good at explaining his thought process. Also "***** happens" as Ilari says

How would you rank these guys in skill @ NLHE?


I'm thinking.....

Ivey
Durrr
PA
Ziggg/Eli ?
Prof

Sounds about right.

Didn't durrr agree to giving a small spot to Ivey? I don't railbird anything online. I do watch most of the TV stuff so I don't claim to know what is what. But I thought Dwan was considered the NLHE king. I thought Ivey's big edge was when he got others to play diffwerent games.

Don't get me wrong I assumed that Ivey was definetly in the top 5 of NLHE. I think whoever is the best has like a .05% edge on the other tops.

Ya, really liked his explanation of the hand with Zigmund and how he took the props into consideration.

Yeah everybody hates tight players lol.


Howard appears to be much better at NLHE than Eli or Ziggy.

Durrrr>Ivey in NLH

http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poke...76563&archive=

http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poke...46851&archive=

http://breeze81.com/2007/09/07/basic...laying-holdem/

dude whole table raising/calling every hand preflop and howard just calls preflop with JJ....how is he so ****ing terrible

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