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View Poll Results: Who Will Win The Most $ (two weeks)?
Tom Dwan
146 37.73%
Patrik Antonius
59 15.25%
Howard Lederer
56 14.47%
Eli Elezra
11 2.84%
Ilari "Ziigmund" Sahamies
17 4.39%
Phil Ivey
98 25.32%

09-13-2009 , 01:56 AM
durrrr, how'd you ever get so f'king good at teh pokers?
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09-13-2009 , 02:12 AM
That is so sick that howard didn't put in a good size bet on the flop with his pocket JJ. Howard is worst player on table and worst then almost all online players.
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09-13-2009 , 02:37 AM
u guys realize how thin a vbet range is on a 4 flush board?
calling w/ a medium flush is about the same as calling w/ JJ there....
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09-13-2009 , 02:42 AM
can someone get sahamies a high chair. What is he about 5'1"?
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09-13-2009 , 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by john voight
u guys realize how thin a vbet range is on a 4 flush board?
calling w/ a medium flush is about the same as calling w/ JJ there....
eli raised the turn with a player still behind to act, wtf does howard think he has? if he didn't have a flush right there he was probably raising on the draw. a bare straight draw is far, far less likely since a) it's so much weaker, and b) howard has 2 of the Js in his hand.

and if he WASN'T raising with the draw, he might've had two pair on the turn and actually be bluffing the river with the best hand (unlikely based on what i know about eli but definitely possible)

it's almost always a bad call, but the main thing i find funny is there's no doubt it was a tilt-call. if you think howard makes that call when he's up 20k instead of down 100k, you're on drugs. and it's funny that he's so clearly tilted being down an entire ~1 buy-in
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09-13-2009 , 02:48 AM
I wonder if those prop bets were deliberately put in to upset those not used to such happennings.
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09-13-2009 , 03:59 AM
All I can say is Ivey's double street float gets labeled under EPIC in my files.
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09-13-2009 , 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by blankoblanco
not enough talk about howard's ******ed tiltcall w/ JJ on the 4flush board after eli already raised turn. funny thing is many of the few hands eli could be turning into a bluff there still beat 1 pair. close to 0 chance howard makes that call if he's up 20k instead of down 100k. well done professor
I highly doubt eli is gonna be betting 20k with any 2pair hands or whatever there or even small flushes. And the river is the perfect bluff card if he was bluffing the turn, what are you talking about? Clarkmeister's rule anyone ? I forgot that you never bluffcatch in your life. And I don't think howard lets downswings affect his play all that much; he's the sorta guy who takes every hand as he sees it.
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09-13-2009 , 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Veil
I highly doubt eli is gonna be betting 20k with any 2pair hands or whatever there or even small flushes. And the river is the perfect bluff card if he was bluffing the turn, what are you talking about? Clarkmeister's rule anyone ? I forgot that you never bluffcatch in your life. And I don't think howard lets downswings affect his play all that much; he's the sorta guy who takes every hand as he sees it.
fail
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09-13-2009 , 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by ChristianT
Well that 75 vs. Q7 hand wasn't that great I do that all the time in cashgames when the pot/the bets are so small and I'm in position. I mean you just keep floating and in the end, when you get the opportunity, you bluff at it in position. I mean Ivey was just bored and it was only a couple thousand to call, no reason to wet yourselves guys ... I mean come on.
Antonius should definitely have called, I don't understand why he didn't.
nice level
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09-13-2009 , 06:06 AM
veil: eli isn't raising a T98x 3-spade board with complete air on the turn multi-way with patrik behind him who hasn't even acted on this street yet. ever. i know in the whimsical little world inside your head, true poker pros make big bluffs and crazy plays with "any two cards" in all situations, but that's not what actually happens. on that board texture, in that situation, he either has: a made hand worth raising, some sort of hand + draw, or a pure draw. always. he never has a 0 equity hand. this combined with the river bet makes for a pretty damn easy fold since there are very very few pure draws or hand + draws he could have that don't include a big spade

also it would be appreciated if you would stop trying to pretend like you have any clue what you're talking about

Last edited by blankoblanco; 09-13-2009 at 06:15 AM.
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09-13-2009 , 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by hendrix23
Lol @ the commentary dude. Ali Nejad or w/e. "Eli would hate to be up against a better 8". Wtf, I really doubt Eli's that worried about crazy overbet merged ranges there.
yea i thought that was funny too. if commentator really thinks a better 8 is going through eli's mind, he has no hand reading skills watsoever. its obviously polarized to busted draw or 99+. it was a tough spot for eli with so many busted draws from the turn. even durr might not have value bet so big with 99 and 1010. so it could be polarized to missed draw or qq+. eli might have only been thinking about a jack or better too so he might have been suprised by the qqs. great bet by durr btw. most players would probably value bet 1/2 to 2/3 pot to entice a call. he got max value.
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09-13-2009 , 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by blankoblanco
veil: eli isn't raising a T98x 3-spade board with complete air on the turn multi-way with patrik behind him who hasn't even acted on this street yet. ever. i know in the whimsical little world inside your head, true poker pros make big bluffs and crazy plays with "any two cards" in all situations, but that's not what actually happens. on that board texture, in that situation, he either has: a made hand worth raising, some sort of hand + draw, or a pure draw. always. he never has a 0 equity hand. this combined with the river bet makes for a pretty damn easy fold since there are very very few pure draws or hand + draws he could have that don't include a big spade

also it would be appreciated if you would stop trying to pretend like you have any clue what you're talking about
this
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09-13-2009 , 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by BarrySanders
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09-13-2009 , 10:38 AM
massive lols at how durrr was sat on the chair in the directors cut
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09-13-2009 , 10:50 AM
"If I'm playing like two tables and super slow, I'm sleeping"

so epic
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09-13-2009 , 11:06 AM
very nice season so far !
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09-13-2009 , 11:06 AM
durrrr seriously creeped me out the way he was sitting/laying, it was either ultra baller or ultrauhhhhhh?
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09-13-2009 , 11:32 AM
WTF, lederer after the 97 vs. Q7 hand "I think you made a wheel on the river" please howard, at least try a bit
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09-13-2009 , 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Carnivore
I've pretty much never seen a poker game where getting 3bet out of position by a non maniac with AT can have a +ev response that isn't folding.
You didn't even understand such a simple statement properly...

lol
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09-13-2009 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by marek_heinz
WTF, lederer after the 97 vs. Q7 hand "I think you made a wheel on the river" please howard, at least try a bit
hhahaha agreed
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09-13-2009 , 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Veil
I highly doubt eli is gonna be betting 20k with any 2pair hands or whatever there or even small flushes. And the river is the perfect bluff card if he was bluffing the turn, what are you talking about? Clarkmeister's rule anyone ? I forgot that you never bluffcatch in your life. And I don't think howard lets downswings affect his play all that much; he's the sorta guy who takes every hand as he sees it.
looooooooooooooooooooooooooool

EPIC fail
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09-13-2009 , 12:51 PM
kool eps btw
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09-13-2009 , 12:54 PM
Eli is so ****ed in this group of players
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09-13-2009 , 02:52 PM
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WTF, lederer after the 97 vs. Q7 hand "I think you made a wheel on the river" please howard, at least try a bit
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Originally Posted by SizzlerFTW
hhahaha agreed
yeah, i guess it's a joke, but still kinda revealing.
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