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View Poll Results: Who Will Win The Most $ (two weeks)?
Tom Dwan
146 37.73%
Patrik Antonius
59 15.25%
Howard Lederer
56 14.47%
Eli Elezra
11 2.84%
Ilari "Ziigmund" Sahamies
17 4.39%
Phil Ivey
98 25.32%

09-08-2009 , 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by smudgie
Does anyone think there may have been a hole-cam error when it showed PA folding 22 after Durrrr opened for 4K on the straddle? (It was the pot where Durrr had JJ vs. Eli's AQ). With stacks so deep, I just can't imagine PA would fold there given Durrrr's range and with position on Durrrr. And on top of that, PA hadn't played a pot (that we saw, anyhow) so you'd think he'd be itching to get in. I just can't believe he wouldn't take a flop there...
when you are playing really deep there is reverse implied odds of getting coolered. set/set, small flush/higher flush, etc. however i don't think they were that deep, maybe 200bb?
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09-08-2009 , 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by smudgie
Does anyone think there may have been a hole-cam error when it showed PA folding 22 after Durrrr opened for 4K on the straddle? (It was the pot where Durrr had JJ vs. Eli's AQ). With stacks so deep, I just can't imagine PA would fold there given Durrrr's range and with position on Durrrr. And on top of that, PA hadn't played a pot (that we saw, anyhow) so you'd think he'd be itching to get in. I just can't believe he wouldn't take a flop there...
oh yeah, thx for posting this as i was going to but forgot about it

surely it was 23 and not 22, can't imagine PA would fold 22 in that spot
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09-08-2009 , 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Veil
They will up the stakes soon. keep your shirt on

Also, these "uneducated hustlers" you are talking about are Ivey and Dwan. Two of the best players in the world you dolt.

We got more action in the first 10mins of this show than in the entire last season of HSP. We saw like what, dwan and ziigumnd play ONE hand together on HSP...and in EDITED FORMAT?! There have already been half a dozen interesting hands in 1 episode - in hsp there were maybe 2 in the entire boring -wait 1 week every week - season.

And no, the less announcing the better. We want to hear table talk. We don't want to hear stupid jokes and AJ Benza's pity laughs and annoying acting and voice, over and over - and the announcing of what they have every single hand. Don't like prop bets? Boo hoo - this is who they are , why force them to stop doing what they do? It's also hilarious watching Ivey keep the score and it gave us a classic Dwan reaction.

As for Howard being the weak link - he has impressed so far with his...LAGness! Antonious is the one who is nitting it up a bit so far. Let's hope that changes.
this
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09-08-2009 , 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by sbfootball_84
when you are playing really deep there is reverse implied odds of getting coolered. set/set, small flush/higher flush, etc. however i don't think they were that deep, maybe 200bb?
PA and durrrr bought in for $250k. Blinds are $200/400.
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09-08-2009 , 10:42 PM
its just amazing how much more fun it is watch cash games on tv the tourneys. This line up is rather good thought pokerwise Eli should not be there. For me Eli has 2 many leaks and values hand very badly. Others are ofcourse world class even Howard who does play well even most here think he is just a nit i do not agree about that. If i should rank these 6 players as nl cash game players here is my list.

1. Dawn
2. Ivey
3. Patrik
4. Howard
5. Zigmund
6. Eli
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09-08-2009 , 10:50 PM
i dont understand why elezra tried to fire 3 barrels with 72 vs lederer on that super dry board in a limped pot. that was awful.
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09-08-2009 , 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Lars1
i dont understand why elezra tried to fire 3 barrels with 72 vs lederer on that super dry board in a limped pot. that was awful.
chip dumping imo.
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09-08-2009 , 10:53 PM
Ivey is quite the temperamental little girl in this show.

He needs to take a few chilax pills and lighten the F up.

Never thought he would come off worse than Howard on any show lol...
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09-08-2009 , 11:00 PM
let ivey be ivey, he basically is poker. if hes pissed off he has a reason to be and hes right, 2k is not enough for him to be playing some ******ed 72 game, make it 7k and i bet you any money hes in. iveys likely required to be in this game by ftp not on his own free will, to me he doesnt enjoy tv time and thats not always a bad thing.

as for eli fireing 72 on that dry board, why not do that, he just picked up 2 big pots and fired both times at those, table image imo, some of you people have no recollection of what poker is or how it is to be played.

patrik is by far the nittiest player at this table, he always is nitty, he just always hits and always gets paid, every single show ive seen him this is how its been, every big pot he wins he has the stone cold nuts, never makes many hero call downs and doesnt get much money in with even suited rags. if it works for him it works for him.

so far i love howards play on this show and i wouldnt be surprised if he comes out ahead, hes playing a style that can certainly beat and clashes with the other styles at the table.
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09-08-2009 , 11:02 PM
durrrr looked sad when ivey embarassed him like that
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09-08-2009 , 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by wtfbbqs
let ivey be ivey, he basically is poker. if hes pissed off he has a reason to be and hes right, 2k is not enough for him to be playing some ******ed 72 game, make it 7k and i bet you any money hes in. iveys likely required to be in this game by ftp not on his own free will, to me he doesnt enjoy tv time and thats not always a bad thing.

as for eli fireing 72 on that dry board, why not do that, he just picked up 2 big pots and fired both times at those, table image imo, some of you people have no recollection of what poker is or how it is to be played.

patrik is by far the nittiest player at this table, he always is nitty, he just always hits and always gets paid, every single show ive seen him this is how its been, every big pot he wins he has the stone cold nuts, never makes many hero call downs and doesnt get much money in with even suited rags. if it works for him it works for him.

so far i love howards play on this show and i wouldnt be surprised if he comes out ahead, hes playing a style that can certainly beat and clashes with the other styles at the table.


whats up howard.



patrik doesnt make any hero calls?
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09-08-2009 , 11:06 PM
for everyone saying they are playing cheeseburger stakes, you do realize they are straddling every hand, making the game basically 200/400/800... while its not 2k-4k, i'm sure they will start getting deep in a few episodes
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09-08-2009 , 11:17 PM
"Whatever happened to the good ol days of prop betting when a man would be stuck over a million in the first half hour?" - Phil Ivey

sick life.
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09-08-2009 , 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by wtfbbqs

patrik is by far the nittiest player at this table, he always is nitty, he just always hits and always gets paid, every single show ive seen him this is how its been, every big pot he wins he has the stone cold nuts, never makes many hero call downs and doesnt get much money in with even suited rags. if it works for him it works for him.
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i watched a hsp episode a little while ago where pa made an insane bottom pair call against phil laak for a monssssteeerr pot... plus even if that was true so what, isnt that the point? to make money off your nut hands, why try to outplay the best players in the world?
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09-08-2009 , 11:22 PM
Ziggyyyy
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09-08-2009 , 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by wtfbbqs
let ivey be ivey, he basically is poker. if hes pissed off he has a reason to be and hes right, 2k is not enough for him to be playing some ******ed 72 game, make it 7k and i bet you any money hes in. iveys likely required to be in this game by ftp not on his own free will, to me he doesnt enjoy tv time and thats not always a bad thing.

as for eli fireing 72 on that dry board, why not do that, he just picked up 2 big pots and fired both times at those, table image imo, some of you people have no recollection of what poker is or how it is to be played.

patrik is by far the nittiest player at this table, he always is nitty, he just always hits and always gets paid, every single show ive seen him this is how its been, every big pot he wins he has the stone cold nuts, never makes many hero call downs and doesnt get much money in with even suited rags. if it works for him it works for him.

so far i love howards play on this show and i wouldnt be surprised if he comes out ahead, hes playing a style that can certainly beat and clashes with the other styles at the table.
loooooooooool!!! you see the 10s4s vs Laak's AJ on high stakes poker?
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09-08-2009 , 11:28 PM
So Ivey thinks the 72 game for 2k is stupid. wowwwwwww big f-ing deal. It's an opinion. I think it's dumb too. It changes the dynamics too much and gives the nittier players a bit of an adv with it. Also Ivey hates hole card cams (I think read it somewhere) and generally doesn't like being on tv. Be grateful that you get to watch him play and stop complaining about every tiny little detail.

Also, calling PA nitty is one of the funniest things I've read in a very long time.
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09-08-2009 , 11:50 PM
I'd rather watch 2m2mm... JK!!

after analyzing the first episode here are my winnar predictions:

1.dwan
2.ivey
3. eli
4.patrick
5.ziggy
6.howard

what do I get if this ends up being the exact order?
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09-08-2009 , 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by BarrySanders
"Whatever happened to the good ol days of prop betting when a man would be stuck over a million in the first half hour?" - Phil Ivey

sick life.
craps?
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09-09-2009 , 12:01 AM
Ivey is a nit lol.
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09-09-2009 , 12:13 AM
I think Ivey's seriousness contrasted with Dwan's goofy happy-go-lucky attitude. I agree with the above poster that it changes the dynamics of the game too much and wasn't favorable for him.
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09-09-2009 , 12:25 AM


AA hand was std. l2p
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09-09-2009 , 12:33 AM
anyone else see Ziggy and Patrik trying to contain their laughter during Howard's check/raise with king high VS durr?

I kno he didn't show the hand but I'm pretty sure they were laughing at Howard tanking at the 2,300$ bet into a 4k~ish pot

Am I right here or were they laughing about something else?
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09-09-2009 , 12:45 AM
Howard played well this session, only one player misplayed his hand in the AA vs 88 hand and it wasn´t Howard. His only mistep so far was when he didn´t immediately jump on the 7-2 game since that would easily be his best game.

My biggest wish is for Ziggy to string a couple of pots together so he will get into his comfort zone, he is just so very entertaining to watch when he is at his most fearless. Just watch the Game on pokertube.
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09-09-2009 , 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by wtfbbqs
let ivey be ivey, he basically is poker. if hes pissed off he has a reason to be and hes right, 2k is not enough for him to be playing some ******ed 72 game, make it 7k and i bet you any money hes in. iveys likely required to be in this game by ftp not on his own free will, to me he doesnt enjoy tv time and thats not always a bad thing.

as for eli fireing 72 on that dry board, why not do that, he just picked up 2 big pots and fired both times at those, table image imo, some of you people have no recollection of what poker is or how it is to be played.

patrik is by far the nittiest player at this table, he always is nitty, he just always hits and always gets paid, every single show ive seen him this is how its been, every big pot he wins he has the stone cold nuts, never makes many hero call downs and doesnt get much money in with even suited rags. if it works for him it works for him.

so far i love howards play on this show and i wouldnt be surprised if he comes out ahead, hes playing a style that can certainly beat and clashes with the other styles at the table.

you should write a book imo
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