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View Poll Results: Who Will Win The Most $ (two weeks)?
Tom Dwan
146 37.73%
Patrik Antonius
59 15.25%
Howard Lederer
56 14.47%
Eli Elezra
11 2.84%
Ilari "Ziigmund" Sahamies
17 4.39%
Phil Ivey
98 25.32%

09-12-2009 , 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Lim
well im almost positive that this show was filmed in october of 2008, so this could very well be the 1st or 2nd time that dwan had played live with ivey.
my bad, thx for pointing this out.
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09-12-2009 , 06:49 AM
not enough talk about howard's ******ed tiltcall w/ JJ on the 4flush board after eli already raised turn. funny thing is many of the few hands eli could be turning into a bluff there still beat 1 pair. close to 0 chance howard makes that call if he's up 20k instead of down 100k. well done professor
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09-12-2009 , 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Tomtah
I think Ali is doing a poor job explaining the props. I can imagine how confused the casual viewer is with all that talk about red and black cards etc. He should explain that they are betting on the color of the flop and if one players have all red/black cards they have an extra incentive to raise etc.
They should definitely do this.

They also need to up the stakes of the game so the props don't overpower the game. 500-1000-2000 w/200 ante would be a lot better (80% of the pots are played with a 1200 straddle now anyways, so it's not that big of an increase), but it would probably capture their attention more completely.
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09-12-2009 , 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by blankoblanco
not enough talk about howard's ******ed tiltcall w/ JJ on the 4flush board after eli already raised turn. funny thing is many of the few hands eli could be turning into a bluff there still beat 1 pair. close to 0 chance howard makes that call if he's up 20k instead of down 100k. well done professor
howard gets in the "what-are-they-doing-they-aren't-supposed-to-raise-all these-hands-mood"
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09-12-2009 , 07:19 AM
Just to get these propbets straight:

1. Color of the flop (two or more) between Ivey(hearts), Eli(spades), Patrik(clubs) and Dwan(diamonds before dropping out) for 20k each?

2. 50k each on the color of the flop between Ivey(first black now red) and Ziigmund(first red now black); isn't on the whole time.

Then there is something about the middlecard on the flop.
I think it's jacks and sevens (or first sevens, now changed to jacks).
Guess the suits are the same as in No. 1 (without Dwan).
No idea for how much they are gambling.

And finally what is the whole "I'm on for doubles" talk about?
I guess it means double the payout for propbet No. 1, but how is it activated?
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09-12-2009 , 07:38 AM
Watching Eli play it just goes to show if you're ultra rolled you can play against anyone, regardless of your skill level.
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09-12-2009 , 07:44 AM
tbh, i'm surprised that the players themselves seem to be having trouble keeping up with their own props.
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09-12-2009 , 07:50 AM
which is why they have a pen and paper

looks like they are writing on the back of some PAD invoice lol
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09-12-2009 , 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by G0tGame?
And finally what is the whole "I'm on for doubles" talk about?
I guess it means double the payout for propbet No. 1, but how is it activated?
If you win 2 props in a row you get doubles I think
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09-12-2009 , 08:09 AM
I work night audit at a hotel (11:00 P.M - 7:00 A.M.) and look forward to watching PAD every night of the week, but this week was a complete disappointment. I was super excited to watch this lineup, but just as Phil Ivey was more interested in his prop bet sheet than the the actual poker game, I found myself (for the first time ever btw) more interested in balancing the credit card summaries and counting my cash drawer than watching the show. It has nothing to do with being a n00b, it had everything to do with me watching an epic lineup of world class poker players, and the best player at the table is FAR more interested in the color of the flop than playing the hand. What a joke. PAD should really do away with the props, how are millionaire gamblers supposed to be interested in winning a pot when most of the time they have more money riding on the color of the flop?
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09-12-2009 , 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by aasvogel


These people are fools. Phil Ivey doesn't give a rats @$$ about them, and obviously finds them an embarrassing annoyance (but then so do I).
They're his friends. He's known them since he was 17 year old "Jerome", playing in casinos with a fake ID. They played with him there.
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09-12-2009 , 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Taco Boscia
I work night audit at a hotel (11:00 P.M - 7:00 A.M.) and look forward to watching PAD every night of the week, but this week was a complete disappointment. I was super excited to watch this lineup, but just as Phil Ivey was more interested in his prop bet sheet than the the actual poker game, I found myself (for the first time ever btw) more interested in balancing the credit card summaries and counting my cash drawer than watching the show. It has nothing to do with being a n00b, it had everything to do with me watching an epic lineup of world class poker players, and the best player at the table is FAR more interested in the color of the flop than playing the hand. What a joke. PAD should really do away with the props, how are millionaire gamblers supposed to be interested in winning a pot when most of the time they have more money riding on the color of the flop?
loooooooooool, you cry baby.

I love the cash game, it's a really good one.

Lederer is also amazingly fun to laugh at. What a ******.
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09-12-2009 , 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by ShonkDove
Its lyk Durrrr =



"Hey Phil. Its a skill game"

and Phil Ivey =



"Uhhhhhhhh?"
hahaah
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09-12-2009 , 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by checkorbet50
after watching lederer for a while and reading some posts in other threads about him from people that seem to know what they are talking about (and trying to sort through the levels), i think lederer isn't as much of a fish in this game as i originally thought. i mean, he appears to be playing kind of a weak tight style, but is actually balancing his ranges and bet sizing cleverly so far, thus actually playing inexpoitably, so far. his experience is counting for something here for sure.

it's eli and sahamies that seem to be not playing at the level of the others. obviously, dwan and ivey are playing great, and antonius is just sitting back and taking everything in and will become impossible to bluff as the session goes on.
Lederer's preflop play is below anything I have ever seen in any cashgame.

SO bad.
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09-12-2009 , 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by SizzlerFTW
loooooooooool, you cry baby.

I love the cash game, it's a really good one.

Lederer is also amazingly fun to laugh at. What a ******.
The PAD cash games have been fantastic, but this one was a snoozefest IMO. As i've read through the thread, it seems some people loved it and others hated it. To each their own.
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09-12-2009 , 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Taco Boscia
I work night audit at a hotel (11:00 P.M - 7:00 A.M.) and look forward to watching PAD every night of the week, but this week was a complete disappointment. I was super excited to watch this lineup, but just as Phil Ivey was more interested in his prop bet sheet than the the actual poker game, I found myself (for the first time ever btw) more interested in balancing the credit card summaries and counting my cash drawer than watching the show. It has nothing to do with being a n00b, it had everything to do with me watching an epic lineup of world class poker players, and the best player at the table is FAR more interested in the color of the flop than playing the hand. What a joke. PAD should really do away with the props, how are millionaire gamblers supposed to be interested in winning a pot when most of the time they have more money riding on the color of the flop?
God you sound like a little cry baby, stick to your graveyard shift sir.

I'm thoroughly enjoying watching how filthy rich people pass the time getting action in what is generally a boring game, pretty sure they do this is Bobby's room too. Maybe you can ask them to play world class 5nl like you do, with no props, so you can not count your cash drawer for an hour.
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09-12-2009 , 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by craianos
"Noobs just don't get it, thus they whine"

I'm pretty sure they get it.. they'd just rather not watch a game of poker that isn't influenced by prop bets.
No, YOU just don't get it.
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09-12-2009 , 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by GoodOlKevin
God you sound like a little cry baby, stick to your graveyard shift sir.

I'm thoroughly enjoying watching how filthy rich people pass the time getting action in what is generally a boring game, pretty sure they do this is Bobby's room too. Maybe you can ask them to play world class 5nl like you do, with no props, so you can not count your cash drawer for an hour.
Congratulations, I happen to feel the exact opposite.
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09-12-2009 , 10:48 AM
i loved this week's PAD.

it was fun to watch and hear them discuss about prop bets or what not.
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09-12-2009 , 11:09 AM
Ivey's float on the AA3 flop with a bet and a call was pretty sick..

Most people would just not even think about floating when there's already 2 people in the pot..

Also nice play with jj Howard, it's tough to misplay a hand on every street but you came pretty close.

Durr was talking about Ansky and mastr taking shots at him at 200/400 hu in the last hand. Also Ali's comment about Eli fearing he might be up against an 8 with a better kicker was funny.

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09-12-2009 , 12:29 PM
Noone at the table seem to notice where Ivey said you're not supposed to think about props in a hand, it can cost you alot of money. This has to be recorded after his and Patriks big pot in Million dollar cash game right? I thought it was funny.
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09-12-2009 , 01:16 PM
Was there only 4 episodes this week or am i missing something?

Pretty mediocre week from what I've seen. Not any really interesting hands. Lots of talk about prob bets which I don't care about at all. Ivey's seemed like a pretty big douche for the most part imo.
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09-12-2009 , 01:25 PM
that ivey vs pa hand with q7 and 75 was so so sick. i genuinely thought PA was gonna call, would have been insane
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09-12-2009 , 01:49 PM
lollederer calling with Jacks
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09-12-2009 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by FortWorthJim
The talk after the hand where Ivey floated twice with 75 on the AA3A board, then bluffed Antonius off Q-high was pretty sick.

Antonius: "I know you have like 7-9."

Ivey: "And you were going to call with king-high."

Then Antonius was bothered by it for a few hands, and then Ivey joked and said, "Why do you care about that 4,000."
"It's not about the money"
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