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11-26-2012 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by flushudude
I do plan to arrive before noon and hopefully run into the " 'older' crowd of limpers/callers" and make my games last a bit longer. As I described above I only plan to shove with premium hands and force them to call me with AK or AQ or any pocket pairs. My only concern is when there are two or three callers, they tend to check it down just like in the tourney then I am screwed. It happened during one of my 2/5 game at Charlestown when I straddled $20 and picked up pocket 99 with 3 callers and I shoved all in with $ 265 preflop and I got 2 callers with AJ off-suite and KQ suited. They then verbally agreed to check it down and one of them hit and I lost. I called the floor and they did nothing.

Would the borgata allows that to happen and if does happen? How would that be resolved or the hand is canceled?

THX!!
Nitting out of your league is trying to accomplish what? If you are going to take a proper shot, sit with the conventional buy-in at the stakes and play your A game and see where it gets you. Otherwise, just play where you belong.
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11-26-2012 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by flushudude
I only plan to shove with premium hands and force them to call me with AK or AQ or any pocket pairs.


picked up pocket 99 with 3 callers and I shoved all in with $ 265 preflop and I got 2 callers with AJ off-suite and KQ suited.

THX!!


So your plan is to wait until you get middle pocket pairs and shove while being short stacked?

This might sound harsh, but here goes.....your plan sucks. No one is going to call your shove with 33 or 66. There are zero implied odds and everyone will have a rather quick grasp on your strategy. You are going to be playing against other premium hands only. Why not just flip coins for your buy-in?

More importantly, why not just play poker at a level where you are comfortable working on your game until you learn the nuances of winning play.

From reading your posts, it seems you think you have found a magical secret to doubling your money over and over....but you are wrong.
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11-26-2012 , 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by flushudude
I do plan to arrive before noon and hopefully run into the " 'older' crowd of limpers/callers" and make my games last a bit longer. As I described above I only plan to shove with premium hands and force them to call me with AK or AQ or any pocket pairs. My only concern is when there are two or three callers, they tend to check it down just like in the tourney then I am screwed. It happened during one of my 2/5 game at Charlestown when I straddled $20 and picked up pocket 99 with 3 callers and I shoved all in with $ 265 preflop and I got 2 callers with AJ off-suite and KQ suited. They then verbally agreed to check it down and one of them hit and I lost. I called the floor and they did nothing.

Would the borgata allows that to happen and if does happen? How would that be resolved or the hand is canceled?

THX!!
Not to be harsh or anything but
1. 99 is not QQ+
2. although it is against the rules for them to verbally agree to check it down they can certainly just check it down in a nonverbal obvious way
3. even if they do verbally say it- the most the floor will do is warn them. There is no "cancelling of the hand" ever
4. you shove with 99 or whatever, you have no right to hope or expect anyone else to protect your hand by betting a missed flop. They called the short stacker to see all 5 cards and they have every right to see them by, yes, checking it down if they so choose
5. You don't need to shove into $15, that will only get called by a better range and then you'll be like "OMG how does he have KK there". just raise QQ+ AK to an amount that will give you a proper SPR to get all in on any flop when you have overpair or TPTK, denying anyone proper odds to call and try to crack you. Simple short stack game.
6. Seriously read some of the short stacking threads to develop a better plan than you have. The 5-10 guys are not a bunch of insane drooling monkeys willing to stack off vs your shoves with 88 AQ
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11-26-2012 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by flushudude
I don't plan to accomplish anything just to have fun and willing to donate my one time $ 500 buy-in. I don't need you to tell me where I should play my games as long as I meet the min buy-in and I'd never want to be a poker pro. It's 10x easier making money in trading stocks which where I belong then playing poker. Regardless of what you think, I'll be there this Saturday morning and have already giving you a heads up about my strategy so please come and get my donation. It should be easy for you to find me since there are usually 1 or 2 5/10 table(s) running in the early morning.
Your response makes me wonder.....why bother posting at all?
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11-26-2012 , 03:05 PM
That's fair but you can't come in seeking validation for a fundamentally poor strategy while simultaneously claiming to only be playing for fun. This isn't really the thread on 2p2 to be talking about strategy anyways.

You have 50bb. Typical short stacking strategies are not going to be profitable on that stack size. Do you have a plan for when you double up? Just buy in for 100bb and play your normal game as you would at 2/5 if you are a profitable player don't let the stakes get in your head and make you play differently.
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11-26-2012 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by flushudude
After all, this is a poker forum and my original post was to inquire what should I be expecting when playing a short stack at a higher limit like 5/10, and also to educate myself from the players who have done it. It's no different from trading stocks that one needs to research before throwing large sum of money into a stock like "Microsoft" that went nowhere for years instead of "Apple" that will make you a fortune.
OK, I guess I understand. I honestly think you should expect to go broke, but if that is fun for you, who am I to judge. I do think you could have more fun making a max-buy-in at 2/5 and playing for a while. Enjoy the time at the table, chat with a few players etc... but if that isn't your thing, so be it.

Hopefully you win a few flips and have fun,

Zach
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11-26-2012 , 03:23 PM
I am going to borgata in a few weeks. I saw in my offers I have $10 in free slot cash. How do you redeem that? Do you have to go to the desk that issues the players cards or do you simply stick your rewards card in the slot machine and the $10 appears? Thanks
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11-26-2012 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by moginsburg
I am going to borgata in a few weeks. I saw in my offers I have $10 in free slot cash. How do you redeem that? Do you have to go to the desk that issues the players cards or do you simply stick your rewards card in the slot machine and the $10 appears? Thanks
Just put card in slot machine.
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11-26-2012 , 04:49 PM
Hey Stan! I am staying for 4 night during the next winter open and was wondering if I can get my room comped? Last two times I have grinded 45+ hours at 2/5 and was wondering if I could get entire stay comped while I'm there? Thanks! Looking forward to hearing your response.
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11-26-2012 , 09:39 PM
Anybody know how busy Borgata usually is between X-mas and New Years? Planning an AC trip between the 26th and 30th and wanted to know how busy the poker room will be. Thanks
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11-26-2012 , 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by yg13
Anybody know how busy Borgata usually is between X-mas and New Years? Planning an AC trip between the 26th and 30th and wanted to know how busy the poker room will be. Thanks
Room rates are about double the usual weekday and weekend rates during those days so I imagine it'll be very busy.
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11-26-2012 , 11:03 PM
And for the post of the guy playing 5/10....if you only have $500 play 2/5. Buy in at $250 and depending on the table you will be below average stack, but not the lowest. If you are going to play 5/10 you need at least $1,500 in your pocket, even if u buy in at $500 cause say u get no cards for an hour, after blinds at time, you are down to $300-400, you gotta add on then.
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11-26-2012 , 11:13 PM
it will be very busy with players at slot machines, there is no big tournament, depends on what game you want to play, Stan could pull up a game report from previous years, if there is a bonus comp promotion, I will be there! There is something very interesting going on as far as casinos in AC trying to raise room revenues. (I do not know to what extent if any Borgata is participating in this venture. It could work for Harrah's, not work too well for Resorts and GN, and be a catastrophe for Revel, though it is hard to prescribe any worthwhile medicine in the case of the latter.) If Borgata has joined Revel, GN, Resorts, and Harrah's,
Because there are so many slot players at Borgata, they could take a bigger share of the comped rooms, making the poker fiefdom smaller, especially at the vulnerable low-limit ranges...which would be of concern to any ruler of any poker fiefdom at Borgata. The overall financial health of the casino may improve, but the number of low-limit players may decrease...I will continue to stay at Borgata for free rather than pay $17 for a 'free' room at SB, as long as I play lots and lots of hours of 1-2 NL...but if you do not put in your hours you could be vulnerable...

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Originally Posted by trob888
Room rates are about double the usual weekday and weekend rates during those days so I imagine it'll be very busy.

Last edited by dipce; 11-26-2012 at 11:40 PM.
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11-27-2012 , 02:01 AM
lol at the floor and stan thinking a NL Holdem blind straddle is considered a raise of the big blind. At 2/5 they rule you can "reraise" to $15 off a $10 straddle.

I can see a dealer on their first day saying something like this, but not a seasoned floor or manager of a card room.
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11-27-2012 , 02:20 AM
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Originally Posted by phaze112
lol at the floor and stan thinking a NL Holdem blind straddle is considered a raise of the big blind. At 2/5 they rule you can "reraise" to $15 off a $10 straddle.

I can see a dealer on their first day saying something like this, but not a seasoned floor or manager of a card room.
I was playing 5/10 and raised to my standard $35 without noticing the $20 straddle (yeah stupid) and somebody told me I had to make it $40. The dealer hesitated and a floor happened to be right there and said the raise was legal.
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11-27-2012 , 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by phaze112
lol at the floor and stan thinking a NL Holdem blind straddle is considered a raise of the big blind. At 2/5 they rule you can "reraise" to $15 off a $10 straddle.

I can see a dealer on their first day saying something like this, but not a seasoned floor or manager of a card room.
This is standard everywhere I've played. A straddle is considered a blind raise, but you get to act last.
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11-27-2012 , 09:05 AM
Can anyone share some thoughts on the 10-20 limit game. I'm really thinking of moving up from 3-6.
How much do people "generally" sit down with? Are blue chips used? Is it a time game? Its in the high limit room?
Does playing this game help get fridays and saturdays comped?

On a separate note, I saw Michael Phelps playing 1-2 this weekend. Kind of cool.
Thanks.
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11-27-2012 , 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Pappa G
Can anyone share some thoughts on the 10-20 limit game. I'm really thinking of moving up from 3-6.
How much do people "generally" sit down with? Are blue chips used? Is it a time game? Its in the high limit room?
Does playing this game help get fridays and saturdays comped?

On a separate note, I saw Michael Phelps playing 1-2 this weekend. Kind of cool.
Thanks.
Red chips, average initial buy in is $500, it is a time game $5 per half hour and in the back area. When they bring out free pizza watch your hands because it's like piranha attacking.
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11-27-2012 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by phaze112
lol at the floor and stan thinking a NL Holdem blind straddle is considered a raise of the big blind. At 2/5 they rule you can "reraise" to $15 off a $10 straddle.

I can see a dealer on their first day saying something like this, but not a seasoned floor or manager of a card room.
This is standard everywhere I've played.
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11-27-2012 , 11:15 AM
You might be able to get a few dealers to go along with rabbit hunting, making the initial call in a 1-2 game $5, and all sorts of other nonsense, but that doesn't mean you should expect to have any likelihood of success of pulling the wool over the eyes of the guy who drafted the rules.

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Originally Posted by phaze112
lol at the floor and stan thinking a NL Holdem blind straddle is considered a raise of the big blind. At 2/5 they rule you can "reraise" to $15 off a $10 straddle.

I can see a dealer on their first day saying something like this, but not a seasoned floor or manager of a card room.

Last edited by dipce; 11-27-2012 at 11:22 AM.
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11-27-2012 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Pappa G
Can anyone share some thoughts on the 10-20 limit game. I'm really thinking of moving up from 3-6.
How much do people "generally" sit down with? Are blue chips used? Is it a time game? Its in the high limit room?
Does playing this game help get fridays and saturdays comped?

On a separate note, I saw Michael Phelps playing 1-2 this weekend. Kind of cool.
Thanks.
"Generally" most players start with $300 in redbirds and start complaining when they are down $100

$5 time charge per half and 2 comp dollars per hour so it costs $8 a hour (how much do you pay in rake at 3/6!)
The game is bad beat eligible so the true cost is a little bit higher than that (unless you hit the jackpot)

Sitting with $500 will let you hang around for a few hours without reloading on most days. Bring $400 in red and a rack of white chips and get sexy glances from the other players for helping delay a Fill. (the bbjp takes $1 out of every pot greater than or equal to $100 so we like to save some time and put our small or big blind up with some whites in there)

The game runs in the high-limit room (baalllllin!) and I usually take the walk to the high limit podium to put my name on the list so the person calling the list will know who I am.

It's always a good game(at least from my perspective) though Tuesday and Wednesday winter afternoons will be the toughest 10 game you'll see if there isn't a 20/40 game going yet. But it's still a good game.

I've been putting a paltry 70-80 hours in a month lately and I'm still able to get most weekends fully comped.
Come join us!
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11-27-2012 , 01:50 PM
I do not think Borgata will join the other stupid casinos in making money on their rooms alone. Harrahs properties and the rest have taken away free rooms and are planning on making their money that way. While Borgata still gives me free weekends and 2 nights a week. The smart way to do it, won't pay for a room so not going anywhere but Borgata in the foreseeable future.
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11-27-2012 , 03:33 PM
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The game runs in the high-limit room (baalllllin!) and I usually take the walk to the high limit podium to put my name on the list so the person calling the list will know who I am.
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Never quite understood why 10/20 limit runs in the high limit room. There's no chance it plays bigger than 2/5nl or 10/20 O8.

I don't care in any meaningful way, but just always found it strange.
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11-27-2012 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by MaxRhino
Never quite understood why 10/20 limit runs in the high limit room. There's no chance it plays bigger than 2/5nl or 10/20 O8.

I don't care in any meaningful way, but just always found it strange.
There are way too many 2/5 tables to be in the back room. The 10/20 Omaha was in there for awhile, but I believe regulars wanted it moved back out. On busy weekends the 10/20 holdem will be in the main room, or just one game in the back.
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11-27-2012 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
There are way too many 2/5 tables to be in the back room. The 10/20 Omaha was in there for awhile, but I believe regulars wanted it moved back out. On busy weekends the 10/20 holdem will be in the main room, or just one game in the back.
Well yeah, i dont think 2/5 should be back there -- just find it weird that 10/20 is.

On a somewhat related note, it would be cool to somehow get a semi regular 3/5 1k max buyin game going. Anyone know an effective way to motivate this?
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