While I usually play 1-2 NL at the Borgata when I am in Atlantic City, I agree that the 1-2 NL games at the Borgata can sometimes be tougher than you might imagine. On a recent Tuesday, I was sitting at a table with only a few older nitty type players. There were a bunch of younger players, as well, and most of them clearly had some knowledge of poker. Of course, that doesn't meant they are good players, but they weren't awful either.

These days, I think it's rare to find a 1-2 NL game at the Borgata that is super juicy. I did find myself in one a few weeks ago, with one guy who probably lost about $1000 in an hour, but that has been a rarity at the Borgata in recent months. As another player stated, the games are still profitable, but players aren't throwing money at you either.

I really think 1-2NL games at the other casinos are more juicy because the Borgata attracts a disproportionate number of 1-2 NL players who actually have some idea what they are doing.

I still like playing at the Borgata and it makes sense for me to play there for non-poker reasons (mostly that my wife likes playing slots there), but if you were trying to find the most profitable 1-2 NL games, I think other games in Atlantic City would be better choices.

Hi all...first time poster here!
I've been playing at Borgata for a few years now. I've been mostly a lurker on here, but figured I'd start posting...why not?
I was at B playing last week and something interesting happened. One of the big stacks at my 1/2 NL table got involved a pretty hefty pot with the person to his left. I was half paying attention until the end when the other person decided to shove all in on the turn against the big stack. Big stack guy tanked for awhile (this is where I started paying attention). There was a lot out there, many draws, etc. Big stack finally stands up, shows pocket aces and doesn't slam them on the table but kind of does (but not SLAM down, mostly put them down face up almost right on the line on the table). After a few seconds, he says 'call'. Dealer says no, that's a fold, you mucked. He wasn't showing the cards to the all in guy, he didn't even look at him to get a read. This started a huge argument. The big stack guy said he's there everyday, he knows the rules, it's not a fold.
So, the argument ensued. It took about 20 minutes to clear up. Dealer, floor people (one dual rate, one regular floor person) all say it was a muck, eventhough he was nowhere near the muck pile. He insisted it was a call and asked for the manager, which took a few minutes. I myself wasn't sure exactly what the ruling would be, but I didn't think it was a muck, seeing as he didn't show and throw like most people do when releasing aces.
Finally, the manager came over and asked what the deal was. I figured seeing as though 3 Borgata employees said it was a muck, he would say the same. but that was NOT the case. He asked the dealer when he showed the cards and put them down, did the dealer ask what his move was? she said, no. He said she (the dealer) had to have asked him what he was doing before saying it was a muck. I thought it was very interesting that with 4 people, 3 of which saying the ruling is a muck, that it actually turned out that it was a call. I don't understand how Borgata being as great as it is has employees that can't all stay on the same page. Don't get me wrong, it won't stop me from playing there, but I was very unappeased for lack of a better term with it.
For those following the hand, the poor kid who was all in mucked his cards when the river came.

Sounds like the correct ruling, IMO.

There are multiple, multiple, multiple "is this hand dead" threads in B&M. Hand is not mucked/dead.

Hand is not mucked/dead. the problem is that most of the time that scenario plays out, the player who prematurely reveals his hand intends to fold, and everyone at the table understands a fold was intended. the shift managers make decisions to preserve the equity and fairness of the game. the culture that develops over time at the tables, sometimes fast and loose (or perhaps better described as quick-and-dirty,) is something else, and in this case you have pinpointed an area where the culture and practice at some tables has gone beyond the spirit of the rules and a dealer should have 'asked him what he was doing before saying it was a muck.' you also raise questions for further study: (1) standing up in the middle of a hand, (2) prematurely revealing one's hand...

i was down there the wkend of 6/1-6/3 and i agree with your view, the 3 diff tables i played of 1/2nl seems to have alot of nitty older yet competent players... if table games didn't deplete me i would be playing 2/5nl the whole time... the 2/5nl game on a monday had surprisingly good action and had chips flying around... buddy ran 250 to 1200 in 3 hours, just really value betting hands and getting paid off

honestly, a lot of the floors (and especially the dual rates) are pretty bad at making rulings. they don't actually know the rules so they rule based on what they *think* the rule is. at least I've never seen a shift make a bad ruling, so that's somewhat reassuring.

It would be great if everyone at Borgata would be on the same page with regard to the rules. It is really not difficult.

I haven't been able to log in to the Borgata Rewards site for a few days now; don't recall this ever happening before. Just thought I'd check to see if everyone is having the same problem.

I logged in a few hours ago perfectly fine

ditto

Turns out it was just the page I had bookmarked no longer worked. Weird. Thanks guys.

Over/under on entries to the horse tourny on Thursday? Think it'll be a 100 with an 11am tourny and not being no limit?

The problem is that on the first page of the rulebook it says that the poker room manager's word is final in all cases, regardless of what the rulebook says the rule is. So when the shift manager comes over and makes a ******ed ruling in direct and blatant contrast to what is written in the rule book (and pointed out to the shift manager), because he feels his decision makes more sense that the rulebook's, players are left with no recourse and feel powerless and cheated.

I've appealed many times to Stan to once and for all revise the rulebook to include a clear and unambiguous rule for every situation that can arise, and have all dealers, floors and shift managers be fluent in its applications. So far, not even a recognition of my appeals. Maybe if more people here petitioned enough something will change. But I'm fairly confident the status quo will endure.

i don't have a problem with the shift managers exercising discretion to make decisions to preserve the equity and fairness of the game, - a common statement, in fact, in this thread is that most of us feel comfortable with the shift manager rulings, see #19946, etc., - I am satisfied with the status quo for the shift managers and I am satisfied with the poker guide and the guidelines for using the betting line, etc., what might help is some sort of continuing education for the floor and the dealers on the 'poker guide' and the 'guidelines...

I'm sure this has been asked before, but can anyone let me know the typical number of runners for Saturday $180? Sunday $120?

will there be an noticeable traffic increase in the room(s) with the concert in town this weekend?

Thanks!

Let me get this straight; you want the rulebook to contain a way to handle every possible situation that arises, and you don't want the shift managers to be able to deviate from this? This book would be 500+ pages, and still be incomplete. No one would be able to memorize anywhere near all of it, and sticking to it would undoubtedly create some unfair decisions. Not to mention having so many unbendable rules would open up a ton of angles.

Ignore this if I misunderstood your intent.

Im coming in Monday around 7pm from Detroit. Anyone interested in some variation of a HORSETBQ game? 7.5/15 or 10/20? If someone wants to set it up, I can PM you my phone number and whomever can let me know when theres a list, and I can show up.

I'm definitely interested, but it is only going to go if the guys who want to play are in the room.

Ill be playing PLO/NLHE on the floor or 20/40 LHE in the back, if it still goes off back there. So, Ill be there most of the time. If I'm not there, have someone get a hold of me. It is my vacation, so I might be at the beach. However, I'd be more than up to drop what I'm doing to play a cool mix game.
I wouldn't be against playing PLO or NLHE as well

The essence of a vast number of accurate rulings lies in intent, which remains a judgment call properly overriding "unambiguous" written rules.

still would like to try getting a 1/2PLO & 2/5NLHE mix going...i remember players talking about it, but not sure if it ever got going.

There is no such rule book. Every poker room has the rule that what the floor says is final and that the floor has the ability to rule outside the letter of the law if they feel that it's in the spirit of the rules/integrity of the game.

There isn't any poker room that has this poker Bible you seem to require.