Guys,can we create a group 2+2 in Skype?)

I can do it.

bokkie87,good results

Guys where are you buying luck?

And welcome to new players. Recently I am seeing new reg faces at O8 hypers.

This could lead to more soft play collusion. Which leads to opponent specific, reciprocating, deviated hand statistics and closed accounts/bans.

Bok put in a lot of work over several years through the micros. His luck, like all long term luck, is a function of putting in the necessary work to improve.

How can one soft play a 6 player HT without hurting their results?

Are you paranoid? Calling manndls plays suspect because he's shoving pre with a deep stack... Soft play because some regs have each other in skype...

I know some do have a group who talk about strategy to help each other improve as players, but you can be pretty certain this isn't going on while theyre at the table with each other. One important reason being, that anyone who takes Hypers seriously is playing at least 4 tables at once, sometimes 8 or 12 or more than that. You just wouldn't have time to be typing out sentences in chat between decisions. I can't speak for everyone else, but as far as I'm concerned, I leave my friendships at the door when I sit down to play poker. Even if my own grandmother sat across from me I'd do everything I could to bust her. For most poker players I think its easy to separate fighting against players at the table, with sharing strategy thoughts away from the from it.
But yes if it does take place it will likely be noticed and reported sooner or later anyway.

Not sure what the best players make per year, but they can play 30,000 - 50,000 hypers I think in that time. Maintaining a comparatively very high ROI over that sort of sample is beast qualified in my opinion. In terms of time of career, if you want to call it that....time isn't really measured by clocks in poker, its measured in sample size of results.

P.S Welcome to M@$ter, I see you've got off to a good start this year, nice work. Best of luck with keeping it going and chasing down that supernova status

By receiving the benefits of reciprocation in future games from the player they are assisting. Happens mostly around bubble play, building up short stack partners and pressuring the outside player when on the bubble with your big stack and FE. Typically a two on one scenario on the bubble regardless of how the profits are divided. By collaborating they are boosting each other's EV at the expense of the non collaborative players.

You would seldom have to type in chat. A good player can recognize a spot to assist his friend and do it without any discussion. Ask Duncan Malloy about this, he is an expert at multi tabling and collaborating.

Collusion and talking strat is definetly not the Same thing. Is so common in nl holdem and there is no one talking about collusion because they have a Skype strat chat. Btw i think most regs would notice soft play on the long term because of the small reg poule in this game, so thats not the biggest problem im worried about.

Also, As long As there is no strat group i wanna start one for sure. I dont think its very useful to make it too big cause of the small reg poule so i would suggest starting with 8 man. People who wanna join can sent me a pm and i Will start it right after diner. On the mobile phone atm. Hopefully some will join!!

If Manndls play is suspect it does not mean he is cheating. It could merely be a reference to his skill level, not tactitcs.

If you don't think players are using skpe and friendships to cheat, you are sadly mistaken. Cheating is as old as the game itself and there are documented examples of this happening all the time. Look at Duncan Malloy, on nlo8 sit and go leaderboards, high volume winning grinder who had to change accounts when he was confronted with cheating and stats.

In b4 rungood

who intersting in group,my Skype is a Premove10

So who was duncanmalloy colluding with?...If you are sure that he was colluding then you must know who he was colluding with. Why not provide us with the evidence you have and let us know who else was involved?

exactly... put up or shut up... no use in making "soft" allegations... show me, don't tell me

Why would anyone be stupid enough to share their stats and evidence to people on a forum, several of whom are also currently being investigated. Good try.

How is it beneficial to me to reveal my stats? If you want evidence, go compile your own hh's and data. There are several players being currently investigated here. Why the hell would I reveal what I have where the cheaters can read it, lol, some of you guys are clowns.

Have you sent this info to stars and if so how come how come they have not done anything about it. Im skeptical that you have anything. Certainly in hypers I think I would catch on to shady stuff pretty quick since the player pool is so small and how many 9 mans even run.

It is players who primarily play the 18 mans, but of course it occasionally crosses over. I cannot imagine much collusion occurring in that format as it would definitely be more easily detected and verified in 6 man hypers.

Am I right in thinking you've found yourself in a 3 handed situation where you are a middle stack like 1,000 chips, when theres a big stack 1,600 and a small stack 400....blinds 50/100..as an example? Then the big stack is attacking your big blinds all the time? If that's the case then you'd do well to think strategically about what the big stack gains from doing this. If stacks are around 1,000/1,000/1,000 and a player is constantly attacking one player in particular, it could also be that he thinks that players call off range is way too tight and he can exploit it, or the other player calls off really wide and so bluff shoving against him isn't a great idea.
If you do think there's something dodgy going on though there's no harm in reporting it so it can be looked into. Stars have a special team of people who investigate this type of thing I think, so they'd soon spot any strange betting patterns or anything like that.

Obviously at these stack sizes 1600/1000/400, ICM considerations would make my ai calling range very narrow providing the large stack fold equity to shove almost afc, especially as blind levels increase.

I also realize that in your second example hud stats (opponent ranges and betting/calling tendencies) become more important considerations. I think I understand the game and the difference between playing it honestly and deviating your play for the benefit of specific opponents.

I will no longer mention soft play itt, no reason to even discuss it here, although I would love to see Duncan reappear.

Ok, well if your suspicions do indeed have some foundation to them, the correct way to go about things is this: Report the behaviour to the relevant authorities, allow them to conduct and investigation if appropriate, then await the results of it which will either confirm your suspicions or it won't. If the person is found guilty of collusion I believe the usual action is that they will be thrown off the site and their funds seized etc. The investigation is for the poker room to conduct in private, not for you to conduct publicly in a forum. Put yourself in the shoes of someone else...if a player decided some of your plays are suspicious, are you going to think its fair if he goes round forums telling everyone you're a cheat? Or are you going to want things to be investigated by the proper authorities in the proper way (particularly if you happened to be innocent in the matter).

I have all the intention of tearing your argument ITT (that's a bad choice of words for it really) to ****ing shreds when I have had a chance to calm the **** down. Seriously dude, there is a line, and you just crossed it into the next ****ing stratosphere.

as long as you play like this i cant read any posts about collusion on bubble without smiling

Seat 1: M@$TERofPKR (1023 in chips)
Seat 4: HUNMatt (1050 in chips)
Seat 5: The Viper 00 (927 in chips)
M@$TERofPKR: posts the ante 10
HUNMatt: posts the ante 10
The Viper 00: posts the ante 10
HUNMatt: posts small blind 50
The Viper 00: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to M@$TERofPKR [8s 8c Ah 3h]
M@$TERofPKR: raises 913 to 1013 and is all-in
HUNMatt: folds
The Viper 00: calls 817 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (96) returned to M@$TERofPKR
*** FLOP *** [Ts 4d 9d]
*** TURN *** [Ts 4d 9d] [4s]
*** RIVER *** [Ts 4d 9d 4s] [6c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
The Viper 00: shows [Jh Kd Qd Js] (HI: two pair, Jacks and Fours)
M@$TERofPKR: shows [8s 8c Ah 3h] (HI: two pair, Eights and Fours)
The Viper 00 collected 1914 from pot
No low hand qualified