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12-06-2013 , 09:58 AM
lol at 100k games being easy...The only players on Stars who have played over 100k games this year are 10bb satellite players.

Sure I dont play 40 hrs a week but thats one of the main reasons why I do play poker. I would much rather play 20-25 hrs a week and enjoy the benefits of a life with more free time to do other things I enjoy besides poker. I'm probably going to make 25k-30k less than I did last year but I'm way happier as a person. Last year except for the month I took off I grinded my ass off all day everyday playing every form of O8 I could pretty much. This year I focused on 1 thing and stuck with it and although I would be lying if I didn't expect to have made more from these I think I was also a bit off on what was achievable as far as roi while playing a ton of them.

Perhaps you could play 100k games biood. I would be skeptical but humans are capable of doing some crazy **** so who knows.
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12-06-2013 , 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by UnnaturalDisaster
lol at 100k games being easy...The only players on Stars who have played over 100k games this year are 10bb satellite players.

Sure I dont play 40 hrs a week but thats one of the main reasons why I do play poker. I would much rather play 20-25 hrs a week and enjoy the benefits of a life with more free time to do other things I enjoy besides poker. I'm probably going to make 25k-30k less than I did last year but I'm way happier as a person. Last year except for the month I took off I grinded my ass off all day everyday playing every form of O8 I could pretty much. This year I focused on 1 thing and stuck with it and although I would be lying if I didn't expect to have made more from these I think I was also a bit off on what was achievable as far as roi while playing a ton of them.


Perhaps you could play 100k games biood. I would be skeptical but humans are capable of doing some crazy **** so who knows.
100k games would be arround 38h/week me, def doable longterm i think, but yeah I'm going the same way like you, I won't play too much as I want to spend more time on the important things in life and i stopped putting poker into this category
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12-06-2013 , 11:01 AM
38 hours of poker a week is not healthy (physically or mentally).

Not healthy means not doable long term.

I know this cause I done it.
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12-06-2013 , 11:17 AM
then we have different views on that, cause i think its realy doable, I personaly used to play like 35h/week
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12-06-2013 , 11:36 AM
That's fair enough.

Still I'd rather increase my hourly than my hours
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12-06-2013 , 12:08 PM
true. in the end we can't just say 40h is doable or 30h is doable,it depends on format and number of tables obviously aswell... i had a time where I 30 tabled 180 man sng's.. but couldn do this for more than 4 hours a day.. it depends
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12-08-2013 , 12:30 PM
Shove or Fold?


PokerStars - $14.41+$0.59|15/30 Ante 3 NL Hi/Lo (6 max) - Omaha Hi/Lo - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 378 (VPIP: 36.92, PFR: 27.99, 3Bet Preflop: 11.62, Hands: 780)
SB: 1,529 (VPIP: 39.62, PFR: 36.41, 3Bet Preflop: 23.04, Hands: 1,206)
Hero (BB): 915
CO: 178 (VPIP: 29.30, PFR: 27.88, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 231)

4 players post ante of 3, SB posts SB 15, Hero posts BB 30

Pre Flop: (pot: 57) Hero has A K A T

fold, BTN raises to 375 and is all-in, SB raises to 720, Hero raises to 912 and is all-in, SB calls 192

Last edited by saman_come_on; 12-08-2013 at 12:43 PM.
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12-08-2013 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by saman_come_on
Shove or Fold?


PokerStars - $14.41+$0.59|15/30 Ante 3 NL Hi/Lo (6 max) - Omaha Hi/Lo - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 378 (VPIP: 36.92, PFR: 27.99, 3Bet Preflop: 11.62, Hands: 780)
SB: 1,529 (VPIP: 39.62, PFR: 36.41, 3Bet Preflop: 23.04, Hands: 1,206)
Hero (BB): 915
CO: 178 (VPIP: 29.30, PFR: 27.88, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 231)

4 players post ante of 3, SB posts SB 15, Hero posts BB 30

Pre Flop: (pot: 57) Hero has A K A T

fold, BTN raises to 375 and is all-in, SB raises to 720, Hero raises to 912 and is all-in, SB calls 192
Interesting spot. I think I fold with the respective stack sizes and blinds and once the big stack has committed.
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12-08-2013 , 02:03 PM
Yup it's interesting spot but I think I wouldn't fold there. It's a great opportunity/chance to take control on the table if we could just only scoop side pot.
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12-09-2013 , 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by saman_come_on
Shove or Fold?


PokerStars - $14.41+$0.59|15/30 Ante 3 NL Hi/Lo (6 max) - Omaha Hi/Lo - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 378 (VPIP: 36.92, PFR: 27.99, 3Bet Preflop: 11.62, Hands: 780)
SB: 1,529 (VPIP: 39.62, PFR: 36.41, 3Bet Preflop: 23.04, Hands: 1,206)
Hero (BB): 915
CO: 178 (VPIP: 29.30, PFR: 27.88, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 231)

4 players post ante of 3, SB posts SB 15, Hero posts BB 30

Pre Flop: (pot: 57) Hero has A K A T

fold, BTN raises to 375 and is all-in, SB raises to 720, Hero raises to 912 and is all-in, SB calls 192
Feel like I get burned in this spot a lot. I know that is not a statistically backed statement, but I would lean toward folding. The blinds are still low and we would have more spots to make moves later.
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12-18-2013 , 03:48 PM
HU up to $100 available! Obviously lost two 30s right away versus a donk
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12-18-2013 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Brunolf
HU up to $100 available! Obviously lost two 30s right away versus a donk
I am playing PLO8 HU predominantly instead of hypers (both 6 max and HU). Bollox to variance. Although, I will pull my HM2 Races/ EV graph HU just for lolz latter which would go against this very statement!!
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12-18-2013 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Angribob
38 hours of poker
... sounds like a typical weekend
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12-19-2013 , 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by saman_come_on
Shove or Fold?
I think you have to fold.

But I think "call" is a better choice than "raise."

SB should not rationally want to give BTN "protection." Yet if Hero folds to SB's raise, then SB has effectively given BTN "protection."

Either (1) SB is oblivious to the fact that by raising, he is giving BTN protection, or (2) he knows it and doesn't care.

It is the second possibility that would induce me to fold.

Calling is better than raising because a raise from Hero would have little or no fold equity. (CO has already folded, BTN is all-in, and with the pot size over T2000, surely SB will call any raise or bet costing him only T192).

A raise immediately gets another T192 into the pot from SB, but Hero can probably get that any time. There's no rush.

If Hero merely calls, SB will probably bet enough on the second betting round to put Hero all-in after the flop. And if so, then Hero can decide whether to continue or not.

Or... perhaps SB will check on the second betting round (or even both the second and third betting rounds). And then Hero can either bet or take the free card, depending on his assessment of the situation.


But whether or not "call" is better than "raise" is a moot point because I think Hero should fold.

Buzz
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12-19-2013 , 09:39 AM
There's little value in playing a flop with just a few chips behind. Much better to GII and send the table away - especially for this type of player who I'd guess is playing 30+ tables. There's huge value in not having another decision to make when mass mulitabling (but I realise this is not something that you are into Buzz!)

On a pure poker point I still think its better to GII since we can't fold any flops yet villain can. For example we have to call on a 234 flop - bad flop for us - yet villlain might fold a hand like A234 on a QKJ flop - good flop for us! We give villain this edge by just calling with high only aces imo.
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12-19-2013 , 05:29 PM
Thanks for all the responses.

Bob, I only play 9-12 tables but still struggle with how hectic it sometimes gets.

Last edited by saman_come_on; 12-19-2013 at 05:36 PM.
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12-19-2013 , 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Angribob
There's little value in playing a flop with just a few chips behind.
I think it's possible SB will check his way through the rest of the hand. (He might do so because he has a poor fit with the board, wants to knock out BTN, and realizes there's a better chance of knocking out BTN if Hero doesn't fold). Anyhow, if so, and then if Hero ends up losing, Hero is still alive. The value of playing a flop with just a few chips behind is Hero is still alive.

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Much better to GII and send the table away - especially for this type of player who I'd guess is playing 30+ tables.
That makes good sense to me. (30+ tables? Yikes. )

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There's huge value in not having another decision to make when mass mulitabling
That makes good sense to me.

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(but I realise this is not something that you are into Buzz!)
I can't play four tables at once without getting frazzled, much less thirty!

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On a pure poker point I still think its better to GII since we can't fold any flops yet villain can. For example we have to call on a 234 flop - bad flop for us - yet villlain might fold a hand like A234 on a QKJ flop - good flop for us! We give villain this edge by just calling with high only aces imo.
Yes.

However, T192 is worth more to Hero than to Villain. (T192 is approximately 24% of Villain's stack but T192 is 100% of Hero's stack. If Villain loses T192 more, he still has T614. If Hero loses T192 more, he has 0.

Thus betting his last T192 is a bigger risk to Hero than it is to Villain.

And it could happen that Villain will check the hand down from here. (I think we want to give Villain a chance to do that).

In my opinion, Hero should hope not to have to risk his last T192 (unless he catches a sensational board).

Buzz
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12-21-2013 , 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Angribob
38 hours of poker a week is not healthy (physically or mentally).

Not healthy means not doable long term.

I know this cause I done it.
I used to play something like 80 hours a week and had a profitable 3/4 years.
Usually 3 or 4 tables.
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12-22-2013 , 07:42 AM
nice life to play 80 hours a week....
i guess you never spend time with family or friends
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12-22-2013 , 07:52 AM
n1 hyper results bokkie
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12-22-2013 , 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by ChawkDee
I used to play something like 80 hours a week and had a profitable 3/4 years.
Usually 3 or 4 tables.
Why not double your tables, play 40 hours and have a social life?
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12-22-2013 , 09:18 AM
Glad someone else said it!
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12-22-2013 , 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Buzz
I can't play four tables at once without getting frazzled, much less thirty!
Even two tiled is a little too much for me, if getting short handed on both . Stacked is not fun imo, want to see everything that's going on . I like to have poker as a relaxing hobby, trying to improve and win, slowly, slowly . Single tabling is more fun for me, has been proven over and over. Maybe I'm a live player by heart.
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12-22-2013 , 10:35 AM
do the 200+ dollar hypers run often? or only last night? i didnt see them running for long time.
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12-22-2013 , 11:14 AM
well Idb99 is back around and wadzon is regging up to 500s so as long as that continues you will probably see some big games running.
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