A little Christmas present from Stars

Hello all, just spent a couple hours reading through this whole thread having started playing hi/lo Hypers recently. Very interesting and entertaining. It's inspiring to see some recognisable names all striving for targets each year. I used to play a lot of 5 card draw sit n gos, but since the loss of US and Spanish players its impossible to get enough tables filled to play 100 $7 tables per week, and so with BOP leaderboard cash in mind, I was forced down to the $3.5 tables, but its small potatoes really.
There seems to be a lot more action at the Omaha hi/los so I'm going to start putting in some volume this year and will see how things progress.

I've noticed one thing so far, these tables can be very tilting when you're on a downswing, and in the first few weeks of them I did get grumpy at one or two players in the chatbox, which is pointless, and immature of me. So apologies if there's anyone here I may have thrown my toys out of the pram at/toward lol. I won't be doing that anymore though, after all - its not their fault if I'm running bad for a while.

So a big hello to all the regs and hi/lo enthusiasts, hopefully I can make some sort of small mark on the SS leaderboards in the Omaha hi/lo field. Will start at $3.5, before pushing on to $7 and $15 if things are looking ok after about 5,000 volume.

P.S very well done Angribob on your Venus high orbit leaderboard around 6 weeks ago. I wondered how much BOP cash bonuses can feasibly come into play in terms of potential earnings from these tables each month on average? (if a player were to theoretically sustain an ROI not too far below the top players that is). I saw 'broken_jia' on BOP leaderboards a few weeks back too I think, and he is a hi/lo HYPs player if I'm not mistaken, which would suggest it's not an entirely rare occurence.

Thanks Viper. Although I'm fairly sure however that the heat for this win came mostly from holdem 18 man's rather than 08 hypers. I think the BOP points structure means that a heater at 18 mans is more likely to give you the bonus than at 6 max. See pokerstars BOP page:

http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/promotions/battle/

Juicy J and Wazdon also got on the Saturn ($100-$299) leaderboard last week.

I definitely think it favors the 18 mans because the variance is lower and you actually have a shot at winning both the high and low orbits. You'd have to run super hot to win just the low orbit with hypers.

A few weeks ago, I think I had a 3rd in the low and 2nd in the high from 100 $3.50 18 mans. Also had 8th and top 20 in the $15s which was from 70% 18 mans and some random games at the end to qualify for the high (ended up playing a few hypers and even NLHoldem).

It is doable in hypers but definitely tougher than 18 mans. I also got 4th last week in the Uranus high orbit

Thanks for the info guys, I've never played the 18 mans before but I assume they're Omaha hi/lo and turbo structure, rather than hyper? I'm hoping to play about 600 hypers per week which will bring in 2,350 VPPs or so each month. Might earn the remaining 150 for Gold star VIP by experimenting with the 18 mans to see how they go. It does appear from the BOP points structure that they are favourable. Probably not as easy as 5 card draw to top the high orbit leaderboards though, variance in those was seriously low and ROI very sizeable. Just very tough to multi table more than a couple and maximise volume due to how important it is to observe the number of cards everyone is drawing, and click on your own that you want to discard.
Congrats on those results broken_jia and JJ, have either of you ever final tabled the $50K triple shootout? Its probably difficult to guage an exact average, but would you say the cash you pick up from leaderboards through the year is very important to your end of year totals, or a smaller, less significant sum?
Would help me to work out what yearly targets to set if I had an idea
Hope you all get off to a flying start to the year.

It's pretty small - I wouldn't try to factor it in to your winnings - that way it's a bonus if you do pick anything up

Thanks, yeah I guess that makes sense seeing as the frequency of leaderboard placings and amounts involved are probably going to be quite unpredictable. I just hope I can run decent in the first month or two of the year so I can move up to the $7 ones and get a better hourly rate. I was thinking maybe a $0.60 per table average at $7 could be possible, although im sure theres some people who average a bit higher than that. I guess only time and repetitions will tell

bokkie leading the pack in early 2014 again... I can't stop wondering how he does it

because i am a beast at hypers

i am bokkie87 btw

I know congrats on your profit last and this year, but I just wanted to mention that I don't understand how you make that much money

if you can just click buttons its possible

Bok is a confirmed luck box!!

33k games at just over a $ a game is very fortuitous IMO in 2013. Luck boxes other formats too. Whale.

When I teach him the difference between $ev and cev he will crush for even more!!

I think the $EV and ChipEV calculations are a battle many players either do understand or don't, maybe one outweighs the othe rin terms of priority. Any thoughts? P.S I haven't felt the wrath of bokkies apparent rungood yet, but a player is his decisions and all will level the best of us in time, so maybe he knows something we don't, maybe he's better than other will ever be......its fun to find out either way.

I'm always happy to play with boxxy, especially heads up.

It's just an on running debate Bok and I have on Skype. Dude is a confirmed beast. My post was tongue in cheek

If you are short and your M is small, you have both little $ev in the tourney and, if in the SB or BB, you will often also have the cEv and $ev to call. Conversely, when you have a massive stack and getting 2-1 to bust someone you can't be hurting your $ev much by calling (if at all).

It does surprise me in certain spots the swaying towards cev where people are calling off a large %'s of their stacks i.e 75% when priced in. Some of these calls look $ev suspicious IMO. But heh that's the beauty of these hypers, they are far from solved and everyone is learning.

P.S You don't seem like a fish from the handful of tourneys you have played. Welcome to hypers and the forum it seems.

confirmed. best to do with eyes shut imo

It's certainly an interesting one, and I do agree that some people are probably going purely by chip EV when they call off very wide. Clearly its correct when you're getting a great price like 2 to 1 and you still have a playable stack when you lose, as you said, because $EV isn't diminishing drastically in this instance. I suppose you could also argue that $EV isn't rising as drastically when you bust someone 4th as when you bust them in 3rd and put yourself into the money places. There's certainly lots to learn still as you say, considering the differences in certain players shoving and call off ranges. I'm no stranger to playing sit n gos from 6 handed down to heads up, but Hyper structures make things very different and its an interesting new challenge for me.
Cheers for the welcome, hopefully I'm not too big of a kipper lol. Currently on a frustrating near break even stretch though so hopefully there's an upswing round the corner.

@Angribob - I did always wonder what the secret was to playing 8-12 tables or more and turning a profit while not having a mental breakdown...now I know its all in the blindfolded button mashing

blub blub im a fish

Having self awareness is always a good thing in poker.

Hello M@$terofPKR welcome to the forum

I'm also practically a fish, just not losing. That gets me going. Just checked my current hourly: it's 33 cents

Hi Yeah i know im not the best plo8 player on the site, i used to play nl holdem cash games and tournaments. But sure, i wanna make sn this year and it seemed like a fun start on the plo8 hypers. I didnt do a lot of math until last night about the game but with the lots of fish at some hours of the day im pretty sure im not a losing player at some stakes and until now its giving me a kickstart for my sn run this year. I was wandering if there were any strats group on skype about this game. I definitely wanna learn more about this game. Especially with the tcoops coming up, i think its a big advantage to learn some more games than nl holdem, because i dont think its only improving youre omaha8 game but sure it will improve your other hi/lo games and omaha as well

this are my graphs so far, i dont know what are realistic roi's but i run around 8,2% on the 3,5s and im around break even on the 7s. (lol_sample) I definitely think the 18 mans are more soft than the hypers but the arent as good for your vvps as the hypers and as long as that is the main goal i dont know if im gonna play them a lot. Sure i could have chosen nl holdem hypers but im really thrilled about this game so wanna learn more and play more of them

3.5s


7s


18m

Do you guys chat much in Skype when playing together? I know so many of you communicate, I can't help wondering the extent to which this affects soft play collusion, but a big enough sample size will provide illumination.

Seems hard to call any of these guys beast, especially when you consider their annual profits and the length of their career success? But I guess it is all relative, I remember tic tac toe beast in the 1st grade.