yeah its crippling my bankroll tho, i was hoping to move up sakes again, but not gunna be able to for a while now. ev line would be much higher too if i wasnt running into aa23 every time i shove with a2xx 3 handed. seems rather unfair to be running so poor over such volume. fair enuf a few swingy days here n there but this was for 30 days stright.

you have poor EV aswell tho, so rather work on yourself rather than complaining.... sentences like: I always run into AA23 just let you look like a whiner bitch because your sample is over 60k hands and i doubt you did even have a look on stealsucces/avg all in equity to realy know if you realy had too much bad setups. Obv i dont realy care but you shud take advice to get better instead of complaining as i'd bet i would have better ev over that sample if i would exclusivly play 1,5$

I think alex should both get better and run better.

As should I, at least the get better part. Here's my total $1.50, half the amount of tournaments and ev almost identical to alex', if it is $1.50 only. ROI 3% isn't anything you brag about, but maybe not cry out loud about either




On the other hand, this is what can happen when you move up, my total $7. Real money graph heading straight to hell:

If you are not putting up ROIs close to 10 in 1.50s you probably have no shot playing 7s anyway

Maybe so. Checked out my $1.50s ev ROI for the last 500 games, expecting a learning effect, but it's still only 4%. The same 4% is the case for my first 500 games at $3.50. Could hope that the lower rake at the higher levels will compensate for the higher skill I'm meeting. The $3.50s may be the optimum for me, if I can't do anything significant about my game.

How much higher would you say the skill level is at the $7s as compared to the $3.50s?

The skill jump from 3.50s to 7s is probably more significant than any other jump in levels imo. Of course it all depends on who is playing at the time but 7s are when you start running into 4-5 winning player line ups and guys who really know what they're doing which is rarely the case in 3.50s.

Looks there are serious things to do before going to the $7s. My ev bb/100 was only 5 the 1.4k hands I played, while it's above 10 at the lower levels, and the ev money roi was -1%. I also ran very bad, so maybe, just maybe also the ev graphs could become a little better. The halved ev bb/100 is what concerns me the the most, I think it tells a significant story already at 1-2k hands.

So, for not losing money when moving up I guess I have to look at Quantum's legacy:
Will probably start to rail, haven't really done it before.

Perhaps the only good advice Quantum has given on here. There is a lot to benefit from watching successful players at higher stakes play. Not only in terms of learning from what they do well which you can incorporate into your own game but also in terms of developing strategies to beat those players. This is especially important in O8 being that the player pool is so small. Just make sure not to accept anything you see another player do no matter how successful they are as being the best play without doing the work yourself because we all make loads of mistakes. Being that there is so little info on O8 sng strategy out there and even less when I started playing sngs a few years ago that is the approach I took to getting better at them and still do. There have been many times where I have watched angribob,biood,bokkie or whoever do something that initially I thought was bad only to analyse the play later and realize I was wrong.

my all in % is like 2% higher then urs and my pfr is higher too, so i dont see playing better would help as my stats seem to be where they need to be.

as for the negitive comments, its hard to have a ur ev line going high when running bad as ur consistanly running into big hands.

also u say watching good players helps ur game but ive watched lots of winning players play and players such as yourself seem to shove any 4 in and posisions another thing quantum mentioned, u have liek a 33=34% pfr which is very high imo, some of these plays do not seem to be plus ev at all some not even close, but it works for you and is a winning strat it would seem so i cant say to much on the matter, but when i have adopted a similar aproach i dont get similar results.

the way u run does still have an impact on ur ev line tho, if ur runing good u get better hands and can shove more, meaning u steal more chips. but i posted the graph not to bitch and moan but to show what running bad actually is as some people do moan all the time, m trying to learn n improve all the time. again any advice is welcome,

as for the jump between 3.50 n $7 i dont belive there is such a skill gap as ive had played both and are very similar. problem is u really need a bigger roll to manage the swings.

my ev line may not be the best but its still on its way up thats the main thing least im not a total idiot.

i reveiw my stats after every session, and my ev last month in the $1.5 was 5.31% so i must be doing somthing right? also my al in equity is higher then urs. and ur steal success is 3% higher as is alot of other winning regs, most of my steal attepts arnt getting throught which is why my ev line isnt up as much as it should be.

for u to say im not trying to work on my game isnt a fair comment.

all in equity is pretty much an irrelevant stat

Also focusing on overall pfr is not really helpful either. Every situation is different and how often one raises should depend on the given situation and not based on any set strategy.

all in equity is somewhat important, wht stats do you look at to improve then?

PFR should be based on position, stack sizes, how many people at the table, ICM, and who are the players behind you left to act. One of the reasons I had said Quantum is bad is that in our history together his vpip is basically 25% from all positions 6 handed and 5 handed which basically shows he is just playing a set number of hands without really paying attention to anything at the table.

Other players. I want to know what other people are doing so I can properly adjust to them. OBV against randoms you are not going to have a lot of info on those player so you are basing your play on their perceived ranges based on similar players who are either tight or loose.

You mean you shouldn't play the same set of hands from the same positions?!?!

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Shhh...don't give all the info away!

yeah one of the problems with the lower stakes is random players. yeah they may be weaker but its hard to outplay them as they can do some random plays. just hope they make mistakes. you just seem to have such a high PFR and alot of them seem to get through.. duno why u get so much respect haha.

Perception goes a long way. Randoms are more likely to assume Im tighter than I actually am based on my vip status thus more willing to fold to me.

lol hopefully one day ill get sn.

is anyone doing a challange this month? was a few people saying they were going to play 10 games?

also do u ever think the $60+ games will ever get going? if they regged up sne wouldnt be out of question for some players.

Im in for 9k games this month although I dont know how much of a challenge it is as I already planned on playing 8k+ games a month going forward until Im sick of hypers again. Im up 1k+ today already so so far so good

As far as SNE goes unless a miracle happens and the land of the free is allowed to be free I dont see anybody being able to reach it from playing O8 hypers anytime soon.

I miss u guys so much! Not sure if I'm even profitable in these games- but so much fun, can't wait to get back to a free country and start donating again. For those that have played vs me, what are my leaks? signed, clueless holdem donk

I actually think you played fairly well from what I have seen unlike most of the other successful holdem guys that I have seen playing so its probably not smart for me to give you any advice. You seem to have a decent grasp on the game so Im sure it would not take much work on your part to be good at these games.

Wow the Bodog Ari name is a blast from the past

yeah i seen u in some $100 games nice that these get going now n then, well for u guys anyways. easy to be up 1k if these get going lol