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Old 01-15-2020, 12:41 AM   #10251
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At risk of sounding nitpicky, the bolded is incorrect: there are plenty of facts. The question is whether or not these facts mean what the accusers say they mean.....

Out of curiosity, is this bolded statement a fact or speculation? And if it's a fact, how do you know that? And if it's true, how was Discord used in the alleged cheating and/or how does it exonerate Postle?

(By the way, please don't merely guess when answering my questions. I also prefer proof.)
Very good post with excellent points, Wilbury.

Maybe paydabot will come back here and answer your question about Discord but from what I see it is an audio chat program. If bot was trying to claim the Discord program was compromised by MP only, this does not make much sense to me. Why would JFK be telling the dealer the players hole cards during the live stream? Why would Mike be looking at his phone if he was able to get the live audio feed only? Bot, if you are still reading the thread after your mic drop, come back and give us some answers.

Logically, this seems unnecessarily complicated to get the hole cards visually, relay them verbally to a dealer (and mp) and receive them visually (through a voice to text transcription program) on MPs phone?

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I agree with this. I listened to Veronica state that she believed JFK was the brains behind the operation and that he provided the information through his lapel mic (paraphrased) but it does not make sense to me that JFK would receive the info visually by watching the live stream, verbalized the info into the lapel mic and Postle would receive it visually. Too complicated a process when he could just share the screen data.
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Old 01-16-2020, 12:33 PM   #10252
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Is the drama over? Without regulatory or criminal investigations there is no reason for Stones to conduct any investigation (legitimate or otherwise).

Postle will be playing poker in a few months. Who would not want a non-cheating fish in their game?

The plaintiffs' attorney cannot afford a collared shirt so I doubt he is going to spend the money for an investigation that will result in, at best, an uncollectable judgment.

I think he took the case to sit next to Veronica and Marle.
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Old 01-16-2020, 03:20 PM   #10253
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I agree with that i have some doubts that mcverding or what his name is, the lawyer doesn't seem to pull all the right strings. I thought this is America where everything is possible. And where star lawyers pull all the strings even if guilty (o.j. simpson)

About the recent article I wanna point out
Mike Postle is wearing a rounderlife hat
At 8m10s in this video.
https://youtu.be/2kDtE9vrRiA

So the article I would say can be disregarded because Mike Postle might have wrote it himself.

I the video which has 1.5m views btw Doug is saying Mike Postle booked about 25 of 25 winning sessions
And posted it on Twitter I think.

The behaviour is much more damning than the crazy stats.

Mike Postle says he is the greatest player one of a kind,
Posseses demonic (wtf) style of poker..
Rather than explaining anything he would just tell us how great he is in the Matusow interview.
Biggest crusher of UB which would mean that he cashed out about 10M? (I think this is proven lie)

Going dark - an innocent man should go offensive defending his rights. Prove the innocence.
None if which he does. All the odd behaviour from him and Justin. There are so many things that I don't think the case is over.
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Old 01-16-2020, 03:24 PM   #10254
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This is marle but not veronica brills.
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Old 01-16-2020, 03:37 PM   #10255
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About the recent article I wanna point out
Mike Postle is wearing a rounderlife hat
At 8m10s in this video.
https://youtu.be/2kDtE9vrRiA
Interesting... just saw that article. He's also wearing it in this photo I shot at the Moneymaker event back in August 2018 (edited to emphasize logo):

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Old 01-16-2020, 03:47 PM   #10256
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So should Twitter that picture to Mike Matusow and ask what he says
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Old 01-16-2020, 05:13 PM   #10257
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I think he took the case to sit next to Veronica and Marle.
I mean you can't fault him for that.
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Old 01-16-2020, 05:22 PM   #10258
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Going dark - an innocent man should go offensive defending his rights. Prove the innocence.
None if which he does. All the odd behaviour from him and Justin. There are so many things that I don't think the case is over.
Anyone with any real life experience would know that Postle and JFKs attorneys told them to shut the **** up. No **** the case is not over, it was just finally served....
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Old 01-16-2020, 05:54 PM   #10259
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Anyone with any real life experience would know that Postle and JFKs attorneys told them to shut the **** up. No **** the case is not over, it was just finally served....
Even prior to any lawsuit, Postle's whole demeanor is pretty suspect for an innocent guy imo.
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Old 01-16-2020, 06:17 PM   #10260
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Wasn't it ESPN that featured the story?
If he was innocent, why on earth isn't he suing them? He could make more from that than what he won at Stones.
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Old 01-16-2020, 06:33 PM   #10261
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Even prior to any lawsuit, Postle's whole demeanor is pretty suspect for an innocent guy imo.
I knew that the lawyer would tell u that.. if you are guilty.
If not guilty lawyers could want you to go offensive.
Any lawyers here?

Supersuspect, and that's why everyone is convinced he is guilty.
Because things don't add up.

Mike Postle did go in front of 1000s of people in the Matusow interview and babbled for an hour or was it 2h?
That he might be one of the best players.
Says he is the biggest winner at UB AND UB owns him the biggest check of all players on blackfriday.

Let's say you are the best player in the universe, would you behave like this? Or would you give interviews where you don't lie?

The only thing that convinced me at first was Moneymaker saying he is a f good player. Yes he's said this.
But ever since then nobody has vouched and chris Moneymaker even announced his doubts.
A few player came out and said quite the opposite of his tableimage and play.

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Old 01-16-2020, 06:36 PM   #10262
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Wasn't it ESPN that featured the story?
If he was innocent, why on earth isn't he suing them? He could make more from that than what he won at Stones.
Word. He could have his own show. Or he could go on a show and tell his side of the story.
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Old 01-16-2020, 06:43 PM   #10263
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I knew that the lawyer would tell u that.. if you are guilty.
If not guilty lawyers could want you to go offensive.
Any lawyers here?

Supersuspect, and that's why everyone is convinced he is guilty.
Because things don't add up.

Mike Postle did go in front of 1000s of people in the Matusow interview and babbled for an hour or was it 2h?
That he might be in of the best or the player of all times.
Says he is the biggest winner at UB AND UB owns him the biggest check of all players on blackfriday.

Let's say you are the best player in the universe, would you behave like this? Or would you give interviews where you don't lie?

The only thing that convinced me at first was Moneymaker saying he is a f good player. Yes he's said this.
But ever since then nobody has vouched and chris Moneymaker even announced his doubts.
A few player came out and said quite the opposite of his tableimage and play.
I have serious doubts Chris Moneymaker can make an accurate assessment of who is and isn't a good player. So even him vouching for him means pretty much nothing to me. Might even be a detriment if anything.

But yeah the Matusow interview was pretty pointless. He did nothing other than further show he is a liar/delusional about his results/abilities. Did nothing to even make an attempt to explain any of his playing style or anything.

The interview just further convinced me of his guilt and showed me he's not that bright.

Also just his whole attitude of, "yeah I don't know, I'm like the best player ever don't know why people think I cheated..." Just so non chalant, not angry or outraged. Yeah it's cool they accused me of cheating, but I'm innocent ok.

Yeah I get it, for the "proof" people out there they want to see video evidence of Postle tinkering with the servers and the cards showing clearly on the screen on his phone before they believe.

But for me, the facts that are out there circumstantial as they may be are enough to convince me as there's not another reasonable explanation. For all the "Proof" people out there why don't you suggest one and maybe I'll come around.
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Old 01-16-2020, 07:24 PM   #10264
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He compares himself to Russ Hamilton and wears a rounderlife jacket. 44:15

And at 1:20 He says he is 100.000% innocent.
And no explanation or did I miss anything, where is the explanation? He does not explain anything when directly asked to give his story.

Mike matusow interview/ joeingram

https://youtu.be/qn82Hbv57Hs
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Old 01-16-2020, 08:03 PM   #10265
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Wasn't it ESPN that featured the story?
If he was innocent, why on earth isn't he suing them? He could make more from that than what he won at Stones.
Sue them for what? Media outlets report on allegations all the time. Every day. As long as they didn't come right out and say he cheated, which they didn't, their reporting was appropriate even if he's innocent.
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Old 01-16-2020, 09:41 PM   #10266
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DOES ANYBODY ELSE THINK THAT THE NEW BASEBALL CHEATING SCANDAL IS THE SAME THING AS THIS. THEY HAVE A LIVE VIDEO FEED. THEY ARE NOW ACCUSED OF HAVING BUZZERS TAPED TO THEIR BODIES. JUST SOUNDS LIKE POSTLE COULD HAVE STARTED THE WHOLE THING.
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Old 01-16-2020, 09:53 PM   #10267
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DOES ANYBODY ELSE THINK THAT THE NEW BASEBALL CHEATING SCANDAL IS THE SAME THING AS THIS. THEY HAVE A LIVE VIDEO FEED. THEY ARE NOW ACCUSED OF HAVING BUZZERS TAPED TO THEIR BODIES. JUST SOUNDS LIKE POSTLE COULD HAVE STARTED THE WHOLE THING.
Why are you shouting?

And no, the Astros cheated way back in '17, and are just getting caught now because a former player snitched.
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Old 01-16-2020, 09:57 PM   #10268
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I'm curious to see if anyone will offer any really compelling evidence here (i.e., something more than "look at all these hands he's played weirdly.") I played with him once on stream and he definitely takes some interesting lines and my understanding is that he is a big winner in the game. That alone is enough to raise your eyebrows but nowhere near enough to confidently say he is cheating.

For the record (because I've seen people be confused about this before) - the players in the game are all allowed to have their phones out and many are watching the stream (on its ~20 minute delay). They also will put the stream on a TV near the table if players ask. To pull this off one would most likely need a confederate who's involved running the IT side of the stream and somehow passing info to the player.

Hopefully there is a good investigation and hopefully Mike's name gets cleared.
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Old 01-16-2020, 10:16 PM   #10269
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DOES ANYBODY ELSE THINK THAT THE NEW BASEBALL CHEATING SCANDAL IS THE SAME THING AS THIS. THEY HAVE A LIVE VIDEO FEED. THEY ARE NOW ACCUSED OF HAVING BUZZERS TAPED TO THEIR BODIES. JUST SOUNDS LIKE POSTLE COULD HAVE STARTED THE WHOLE THING.
Only in that there was a lot of crotch staring -- Postle at his own and the Astros and Red Sox at the opposing catcher's.
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Old 01-16-2020, 10:44 PM   #10270
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Why must they have?


Quite possibly, yes.


Um...because, court case?

Your post seems to indicate that you think this should all be over soon because...it should. Here's a good post to help with perspective:


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JFK waived service of the summons therefore he has until January 8, 2019 to respond to the Complaint. It doesn't appear he has legal representation as of yet. **Redacted Personal Info**
So yeah, don't be surprised if you don't hear anything for months. Several months. Legal proceedings are slow. Sometimes for obvious reasons, and sometimes for what seem to be mysterious ones, but regardless...they're slow.

So Postle had until the 8th and now? Couldnt give Macverstanding an update?
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Old 01-16-2020, 10:52 PM   #10271
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Sue them for what? Media outlets report on allegations all the time. Every day. As long as they didn't come right out and say he cheated, which they didn't, their reporting was appropriate even if he's innocent.
That's why they say "alleged killer", etc. Postle and maybe JFK could sue Veronica and maybe Polk and Ingram for libel / slander, but of course truth is a defense.
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So Postle had until the 8th and now? Couldnt give Macverstanding an update?
I have no idea, nor do I care, because it's obvious we're not going to hear anything substantive for quite a while.
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Old 01-17-2020, 01:12 AM   #10273
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So Postle had until the 8th and now? Couldnt give Macverstanding an update?
If you are a plaintiff, go ask him as he is your lawyer. If you are not a party, ask a friend who is a party to ask him.

If you are not a party, and do not have a friend who is a party, go to Helen Waite to find out.
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Old 01-17-2020, 10:34 PM   #10274
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At risk of sounding nitpicky, the bolded is incorrect: there are plenty of facts. The question is whether or not these facts mean what the accusers say they mean.

For example, Gumpnstein's observation of Postle putting his phone into his crotch during the July 1, 2018 stream: that action is a fact. Whether or not Postle used that phone to gain information – that's what is left to be determined.

Postle going all-in in a three-way pot with 54 offsuit? Fact. A noticeable bulge in that white baseball cap? Fact.



Postle going all-in in a three-way pot with 54 offsuit because he knew it would be an equity favorite? The noticeable bulge in that white baseball cap must be a bone conduction hearing aid used to gain hole card information? Agreed, now we're speculating, and doing so twice in the second example (one guess as to what caused the bulge, the second guess as to what such a device is used for).

How damning vs. meaningless are these facts? Well, that's the nature of circumstantial evidence*. You've said many times that you want proof. Ultimately, that's what proof is: the combination of evidence and the conclusions that can be made from that evidence. The larger the body of facts, the more mere speculation becomes conclusion.

Now, with that all said...



Out of curiosity, is this bolded statement a fact or speculation? And if it's a fact, how do you know that? And if it's true, how was Discord used in the alleged cheating and/or how does it exonerate Postle?



(By the way, please don't merely guess when answering my questions. I also prefer proof.)





*Don't get me started on the number of people saying some version of "you only have circumstantial evidence." But that's a rant for another time.
Not fact. Speculation. It could be the way the hat fits on his head. You should know a person as well before buying into devices in a hat. He isn't smart enough to understand morse code. The devices mentioned only vibrate so what theory works where he gets his info that way. If he cheated all he needed was on his phone.

Fact. It was used to communicate with the dealers from the production crew that sees the live cards. So they used "audio" in a discord group to communicate. Assuming JK was part of this and also had live card access it becomes very easy to update MP to live card data.
They switched to Discord from old Radio shack headsets right around the time MP went on a run. IF you need proof go back and watch prior streams. Watch the dealer headset trade off. Then it changes in headset style and there is an addition of a tablet behind the dealer. When asked what that tablet was for the prod. crew was very open in what it was. So it is very FACT that discord was used.
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Old 01-17-2020, 10:38 PM   #10275
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If you are a plaintiff, go ask him as he is your lawyer. If you are not a party, ask a friend who is a party to ask him.

If you are not a party, and do not have a friend who is a party, go to Helen Waite to find out.
This is so crazy with misinformation. MacDouche should comment or correct his statement about MP hiding. This was actually a fabrication by him folks. He did attempt to serve. However he did not look in windows nor did he see MP walking around.

Plantiffs have a real gem representing them.

Again not taking sides, but this tool is using judicial system and social media to bring judgement to a people before real facts are presented. Even this guy should know what he did was inappropiate.
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