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Old 01-17-2020, 10:48 PM   #10276
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That's why they say "alleged killer", etc. Postle and maybe JFK could sue Veronica and maybe Polk and Ingram for libel / slander, but of course truth is a defense.
This is way beyond the legal bounds of that though. These people have created a hostile environment now and forever for MP to do what he did for a living, which was play poker. Remember he made a living playing poker for 15 years supposedly. Only 3-4 hours 2-3 days a week for a year are in question here. The image they help create in the publics eye is enough for him to sue the poop out of Veronica, Doug, and Joey. Not to mention ESPN for putting a bit on him at the early stages and being half cocked.

It would be a hilarious irony if this got turned around and in ten years MP made $$$ of Disney, but named Veronica and Friends (LOL). I will pay money to see that podcast where she complains about the situation being unfair in the world she lives in.
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Old 01-17-2020, 11:23 PM   #10277
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This is so crazy with misinformation. MacDouche should comment or correct his statement about MP hiding. This was actually a fabrication by him folks. He did attempt to serve. However he did not look in windows nor did he see MP walking around.

Plantiffs have a real gem representing them.

Again not taking sides, but this tool is using judicial system and social media to bring judgement to a people before real facts are presented. Even this guy should know what he did was inappropiate.
Since you are so sure of everything you comment on in here......how do you know he didn't look in the windows or indeed see/hear someone inside?
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Old 01-17-2020, 11:42 PM   #10278
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Since you are so sure of everything you comment on in here......how do you know he didn't look in the windows or indeed see/hear someone inside?
It's either Mike or a good friend of his. Not saying that makes his statements accurate but there's zero chance this is a random person.
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Old 01-17-2020, 11:46 PM   #10279
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Paydabot is an idiot

Or

-has just picked up the story and can't believe what he sees.

- likes to piss you off by throwing hilarious claims at you.
And then takie off being afraid of the backfire

- or Mike Postle himself
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Old 01-18-2020, 01:58 AM   #10280
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Not fact. Speculation. It could be the way the hat fits on his head. You should know a person as well before buying into devices in a hat. He isn't smart enough to understand morse code. The devices mentioned only vibrate so what theory works where he gets his info that way. If he cheated all he needed was on his phone.
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I don't think you understand the headphones. They produce the sound without speakers in the ears by vibrating your jawbone. They can play music that you hear "inside your ear". They do not require Morse code.


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Fact. It was used to communicate with the dealers from the production crew that sees the live cards. So they used "audio" in a discord group to communicate....So it is very FACT that discord was used.
Let's assume it was discord. Why would the production people be telling the dealer the players hole cards? Every hand? If Mike was part of the audio group why wasn't he wearing a headset or headphones? If he was part of the audio group and they were not discussing players hole card info, how would being part of the group help him cheat? What information would discord send to his phone?
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Old 01-18-2020, 04:03 AM   #10281
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

I had a conversation about the cheating allegations with Andrew Barber
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3Xs9xi9S_A
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Old 01-18-2020, 04:06 AM   #10282
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Paydabot is an idiot

Or

-has just picked up the story and can't believe what he sees.

- likes to piss you off by throwing hilarious claims at you.
And then takie off being afraid of the backfire

- or Mike Postle himself
if you look at my previous post about him I would bet a good amount of money that he is Justin
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Old 01-18-2020, 07:45 AM   #10283
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Edit : was casually insulting people ITT
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Old 01-18-2020, 07:52 AM   #10284
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yeah I've played with non-god mode mike a few times at stones. I even table changed to bum hunt him once when he decided to play higher than 1/3. he's horrible at poker
See what I mean? I only hear people saying Mike was beatable even fishy with many losing sessions.

And after the gumpenstein turning point where he looks at his lap he has only winning sessions (70 out of 70!!) Or something like that.

This thread is too big. The people who played with Mike almost get lost in this thread. Maybe make another thread just for players that played with Mike Postle ?
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Old 01-18-2020, 07:59 AM   #10285
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if you look at my previous post about him I would bet a good amount of money that he is Justin
Paythebot is talking so much and I have a hard time understanding what he actually wants.

But I will take a look.
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Old 01-18-2020, 11:57 AM   #10286
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

PayDatBotItsMeoney has ruffled some feathers so I thought I would post this.

Anyone is free to post their views in this thread as long as they abide by 2+2 and NVG posting rules. If Mike Postle or Justin Kuraitis or any of their friends/associates or anyone from Stones Casino or anyone who has played with Postle or at Stones Casino wants to post in this thread, they are welcome and encouraged to do so. (The above caveat applies so posts containing personal insults would likely be deleted as was the case with PDBIM's first post in the thread.)
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Old 01-18-2020, 04:52 PM   #10287
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Since you are so sure of everything you comment on in here......how do you know he didn't look in the windows or indeed see/hear someone inside?
Because he apologize to a few people for making that statement. If you doubt it ask him.
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Old 01-18-2020, 05:01 PM   #10288
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if you look at my previous post about him I would bet a good amount of money that he is Justin
It would make you so happy if I was Justin. For the record he is not only furthest from me, but I can't stand the dude. As far as MP he dirtbag, but I say that for a completely different reason.

You all can flame whatever you want, but I just think passing judgement on someone before any of the real facts are wrong.

Regardless of the outcome of this suit Justin should never run a card room again. It is negligence. Everything else is hearsay until facts come up.

This is my opinion, but with the way you folks sound we should be uncovering more conspiracy theories out there.
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Old 01-18-2020, 05:43 PM   #10289
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Stones will drag this on so long that if the collective agrees on a $1000 each type deal they will take it. They won't have to admit any wrong doing, and the only thing you may take joy in is JK will no longer be a TD there or possibly anywhere in North America again.
Along with Postle being called to account too, this would be a decent result.

It would at least give pause to any other live stream cheaters/Casinos from pulling this stuff without consequences.

Surely that's the whole point.
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Old 01-18-2020, 05:51 PM   #10290
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It would make you so happy if I was Justin. For the record he is not only furthest from me, but I can't stand the dude. As far as MP he dirtbag, but I say that for a completely different reason.

You all can flame whatever you want, but I just think passing judgement on someone before any of the real facts are wrong.

Regardless of the outcome of this suit Justin should never run a card room again. It is negligence. Everything else is hearsay until facts come up.

This is my opinion, but with the way you folks sound we should be uncovering more conspiracy theories out there.
You keep saying there are no facts. I don't understand this other than you must not know much about how poker works. There are a ton of facts considering we can see all the hands he played.

It's kind of like if I made a bet with you saying I could guess the color(black or red) of every card in a well shuffled 52 card deck that was face down.

And then I go ahead and do it without getting a single one wrong, and you accuse me of cheating. Then I come back and I simply say, "Where's the proof? Stop jumping to conclusions."

Which is true you have no hard proof, but it's also obvious I cheated.
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Old 01-18-2020, 06:17 PM   #10291
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Not fact. Speculation. It could be the way the hat fits on his head. You should know a person as well before buying into devices in a hat. He isn't smart enough to understand morse code. The devices mentioned only vibrate so what theory works where he gets his info that way. If he cheated all he needed was on his phone.
You really don't seem to understand the difference between the word "fact" and "speculation." I'll help:

Fact: the hat appears to have a bulge.

Of course, what does that bulge mean?

Speculation: the bulge is caused by some sort of device.

You are correct in that the common explanation for that bulge – i.e. bone conducting headphones – is speculation. I acknowledged that in the post to which you just replied.

Your statement...

Speculation: it could be the way the hat fits on his head.


...is also speculation. You could very well be right, but it's speculation.

And while we're sorting out facts...

Fact: bone conducting headphones do not transmit Morse code, they transmit sound like any other. People use them to listen to music, podcasts, audio books. Furthermore, Cynaps, ZEROi and Batband are among the types that don't extend down to the temple.


As for the use of Discord:

Thanks for that insight. The communication between the dealers and production is pretty common for live or even live-to-tape coverage. On major poker telecasts, someone often communicates to the dealer on all-in hands as to when to deal the flop, then the turn, etc. (It's why those moments are always so much more dramatic on TV than in your regular weekly tourneys.) It also helps the dealer let a player know that his/her cards did not pick up on an RFID reader or a camera. So no... not at all a surprise there was method of communication between the dealer and production.

However... is it possible that Postle was enabled to listen in on the Discord chat? To my admittedly limited knowledge of Discord, another part cannot listen unnoticed on a conversation. They have to be authorized. Furthermore, anyone on the conversation knows who is in on it (similar to Zoom, to which I'm more familiar).

Someone more versed in Discord might be able to answer that.
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Old 01-18-2020, 06:21 PM   #10292
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I don't think you understand the headphones. They produce the sound without speakers in the ears by vibrating your jawbone. They can play music that you hear "inside your ear". They do not require Morse code.

Let's assume it was discord. Why would the production people be telling the dealer the players hole cards? Every hand? If Mike was part of the audio group why wasn't he wearing a headset or headphones? If he was part of the audio group and they were not discussing players hole card info, how would being part of the group help him cheat? What information would discord send to his phone?
Oops. Sorry, jj... responded to his reply to me before I saw this post. I pretty much reiterated your points.
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Old 01-18-2020, 06:49 PM   #10293
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It's kind of like if I made a bet with you saying I could guess the color(black or red) of every card in a well shuffled 52 card deck that was face down.

And then I go ahead and do it without getting a single one wrong, and you accuse me of cheating. Then I come back and I simply say, "Where's the proof? Stop jumping to conclusions."

Which is true you have no hard proof, but it's also obvious I cheated.
Good post. And even your scenario has a few key facts which – put together – constitute proof.

Fact #1: in a 52-card deck, there are 26 red cards and 26 black cards.

Fact #2A: the deck was correctly shuffled such that the distribution of red and black are essentially random. (e.g. we know an automatic shuffler was used)

or...

Fact #2B: the deck was riffle shuffled seven times before the game began, and mathematician Persi Diaconis once proved that seven riffle shuffles will completely randomize the deck.

Fact #3: the chances of correctly guessing the color of any one card is 1 in 2.

Fact #4: the chances of correctly guessing the color of any one card 52 straight times would be 1 in 2^51, or one in 2,251,799,813,685,248. (I say 5 because you could then use the process of elimination to know that 52nd card.)

Of course, those facts prove one of the following:

#1: you hit that 2.25 quadrillionth shot (again, which is theoretically possible).

#2: you had additional information that enabled you to more guess more accurately than the normal 50 percent, which in turn increased the likelihood of being correct 51 straight times.

#3: you had rock-solid information that enabled you to make a correct guess on each card.

If it's #2 or #3, you cheated. The method of your cheating remains unknown by the information above. If someone is trying to prove how you cheated, they still have a lot of work to do. If someone is simply trying to prove that you cheated, their work is pretty much done.
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Old 01-18-2020, 08:58 PM   #10294
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Along with Postle being called to account too, this would be a decent result.

It would at least give pause to any other live stream cheaters/Casinos from pulling this stuff without consequences.

Surely that's the whole point.
They will not find anything linking MP to cheating nor will they publicly say anything if a settlement is reached. He may never be let back into Stones as part of the arrangement, but that will be the extent of it.

If I were Stones I'd already know what my insurance is gonna pay out of this and be using that as leverage for a quick settlement.

The name Postle will ring throughout the poker world for years just like Roy Munson from Kingpin.
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Old 01-18-2020, 09:07 PM   #10295
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You keep saying there are no facts. I don't understand this other than you must not know much about how poker works. There are a ton of facts considering we can see all the hands he played.

It's kind of like if I made a bet with you saying I could guess the color(black or red) of every card in a well shuffled 52 card deck that was face down.

And then I go ahead and do it without getting a single one wrong, and you accuse me of cheating. Then I come back and I simply say, "Where's the proof? Stop jumping to conclusions."

Which is true you have no hard proof, but it's also obvious I cheated.
Do you have logs from the server? Camera stills of MP looking at live hole cards? Or sworn affidavit from JK admitting that he cheated? Didn't think so.

You like everyone judge based on what you see on the streams. What if he stared at his crotch during non streamed games just as much?

You only have narratives that fit an outcome that you and Veronica want. Just because a bunch of gamblers all came together and looked at streams and said he is cheating doesn't make it fact. Just their opinion. Because you choose to follow that narrative again doesn't make it fact. It is just what you choose to believe. So sure that's your opinion, but it isn't fact.

It's like a cheating wife. All the signs may lead you to an opinion that she is in fact having an affair, but unless you have factual proof i.e. phone records, emails/texts, etc you have nothing. What if she was doing something to surprise you? Or something innocent, yet still could appear suspicious.
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Old 01-18-2020, 09:12 PM   #10296
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You really don't seem to understand the difference between the word "fact" and "speculation." I'll help:


However... is it possible that Postle was enabled to listen in on the Discord chat? To my admittedly limited knowledge of Discord, another part cannot listen unnoticed on a conversation. They have to be authorized. Furthermore, anyone on the conversation knows who is in on it (similar to Zoom, to which I'm more familiar).

Someone more versed in Discord might be able to answer that.
It is very possible. It is also possible that JK sent him screenshots of whole cards and PM him in Discord. Great thing also about Discord is once a channel or group is deleted there is no record of it. So the forensic team and look for all kinds of things on the server, this communication was completely independent of that and untraceable. If they were smart they'd even use their carrier data and not Stones wifi for risk of that being logged. JK was smart enough to know these things so possible that IF this did happen any evidence is long gone.
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You only have narratives that fit an outcome that you and Veronica want. Just because a bunch of gamblers all came together and looked at streams and said he is cheating doesn't make it fact. Just their opinion. Because you choose to follow that narrative again doesn't make it fact. It is just what you choose to believe. So sure that's your opinion, but it isn't fact.
You are 100 percent correct in that there are plenty of narratives, which are based on speculation, conjecture and leaps of logic (some more convincing than others).

But there are still plenty of facts. You seem to stand on a notion that there are zero facts, which simply isn't true.
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Old 01-18-2020, 09:23 PM   #10298
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It is very possible. It is also possible that JK sent him screenshots of whole cards and PM him in Discord. Great thing also about Discord is once a channel or group is deleted there is no record of it. So the forensic team and look for all kinds of things on the server, this communication was completely independent of that and untraceable. If they were smart they'd even use their carrier data and not Stones wifi for risk of that being logged. JK was smart enough to know these things so possible that IF this did happen any evidence is long gone.
From what you're describing, and what I gather from how Discord works, Kuraitis wouldn't even need to send screenshots. He (or someone else) could simply put the live video on the channel, and anyone with authorization to be part of the channel would then see the feed on the app.

You have already established that production communicated with the dealers throughout the stream. That isn't in dispute, certainly not to you. So anyone privy to the hole cards could use that same method to relay the live information to a player.

If this is true, having Discord running on a tablet right on the table was effectively hiding in plain sight. In fact, if anyone had seen or heard someone in production relaying info, they could easily just say "I'm just talking to the dealer... remember, we set up Discord for this!"

Of course, this is all speculation.
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Old 01-18-2020, 09:58 PM   #10299
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Do you have logs from the server? Camera stills of MP looking at live hole cards? Or sworn affidavit from JK admitting that he cheated? Didn't think so.

You like everyone judge based on what you see on the streams. What if he stared at his crotch during non streamed games just as much?

You only have narratives that fit an outcome that you and Veronica want. Just because a bunch of gamblers all came together and looked at streams and said he is cheating doesn't make it fact. Just their opinion. Because you choose to follow that narrative again doesn't make it fact. It is just what you choose to believe. So sure that's your opinion, but it isn't fact.

It's like a cheating wife. All the signs may lead you to an opinion that she is in fact having an affair, but unless you have factual proof i.e. phone records, emails/texts, etc you have nothing. What if she was doing something to surprise you? Or something innocent, yet still could appear suspicious.
Ironic that your response just further illustrates my point that you don't get it. Apparently never will. And I'm not blindly following what Veronica or anyone is saying.

I've watched the streams myself. I don't need emails/texts/phone records and all this other nonsense you're talking about. I already saw the hands.
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Old 01-18-2020, 10:36 PM   #10300
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Because he apologize to a few people for making that statement. If you doubt it ask him.
I was in the house with Mike, so I don't need to. He heard us laughing at him from the top of the stairs for sure.
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