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Old 01-12-2020, 04:15 PM   #10176
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Justin or Mike (or anyone),

could you please explain the Martingale system as applied to poker?
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Old 01-12-2020, 04:18 PM   #10177
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Some of the detractors are trying to strawman by keeping attention on stuff like the exact $ amounts won and what not.

Ok let's say all the stack info is way off. and he only won like a third of what's been reported.

My issue is that nobody can make the exact right decision in insane spots that many times in a row without a single error.

The man played like he knew his opponents cards. That's the only model that align/explains with how he played.
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Old 01-12-2020, 04:20 PM   #10178
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Justin or Mike (or anyone),

could you please explain the Martingale system as applied to poker?
I'm guessing they mean that in theory, atc can win eventually.

So as long as you keep covering everyone at the table you will eventually get their stack. So play crazy and as long as no one leaves the table and you have infinite money I guess you will come out ahead? That's my guess anyways.
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Old 01-12-2020, 04:27 PM   #10179
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I'm guessing they mean that in theory, atc can win eventually.

So as long as you keep covering everyone at the table you will eventually get their stack. So play crazy and as long as no one leaves the table and you have infinite money I guess you will come out ahead? That's my guess anyways.
Yeah that's the gist of it. Just keep buying in and covering the largest stack. That's probably what Justin meant when he said that. But obviously in practice that doesn't work.

There's another way to play the martingale in poker online. Which is to buy into a larger game once you bust. Bust at 25NL and buy into 50NL etc.
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Old 01-12-2020, 04:44 PM   #10180
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rumor has it he applied the martingale strategy

u lose one buy in, u buy in the double amount in the game.

you can also do the anti martingale, lose one buy in, buy in half.

To me it never worked and I tried enough let me tell you.
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Old 01-12-2020, 05:41 PM   #10181
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rumor has it he applied the martingale strategy
But the thing is, in order to have to apply this strategy you have to make a wrong decision and lose your stack.

That never happened. Except in like 2 instances where people made insane hero calls because he miscalculated that they wouldn't call with 3rd/4th pair or whatever.

So I don't buy the martingale argument even though it is stupid on it's own accord.
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Old 01-12-2020, 05:53 PM   #10182
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

I was recently the recipient of three class-action lawsuits.

I received:

1. $6
2. $8
3. $84

I am also eligible for another class-action suit that has something to do with some of my data that was leaked somehow, somewhere or whatever, but I declined to even bother with it if the above three settlements are any indication of the payouts.

The $84 payout was a multi-million dollar lawsuit. (Actually they all were, but there were a lot fewer participants in the last one.)

In all cases the lawyers got rich.
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Old 01-12-2020, 06:29 PM   #10183
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Mike shouldn't be allowed to play poker anywhere again. He can move to Nevada and play poker there on-line and crush since he has claimed to be the very best.
If you look at his first post, from a few days ago, he has been playing online for the last 4 months.
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Old 01-12-2020, 07:05 PM   #10184
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The often-cited teacher's message to students is apt here:

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Old 01-12-2020, 07:41 PM   #10185
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But the thing is, in order to have to apply this strategy you have to make a wrong decision and lose your stack.

That never happened. Except in like 2 instances where people made insane hero calls because he miscalculated that they wouldn't call with 3rd/4th pair or whatever.

So I don't buy the martingale argument even though it is stupid on it's own accord.
what if someone bet enough to put Mike all-in on the flop? Mike knew the cards and knew his equity was near 70% - don't you think he would have called? and if he called and lost, would it have been a wrong decision?

I still think there was some trojan added to the server controlling the table that allowed Mike to see all cards real time via wi-fi to his phone. Having someone keying in everyone's cards somewhere would be problematic especially if they were an employee and working at the time.
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Old 01-12-2020, 09:38 PM   #10186
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I still think there was some trojan added to the server controlling the table that allowed Mike to see all cards real time via wi-fi to his phone. Having someone keying in everyone's cards somewhere would be problematic especially if they were an employee and working at the time.
Who said anything about someone keying in the cards? That’s not what people think the insider’s role was.
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Old 01-12-2020, 09:39 PM   #10187
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I still think there was some trojan added to the server controlling the table that allowed Mike to see all cards real time via wi-fi to his phone. Having someone keying in everyone's cards somewhere would be problematic especially if they were an employee and working at the time.
I agree with this. I listened to Veronica state that she believed JFK was the brains behind the operation and that he provided the information through his lapel mic (paraphrased) but it does not make sense to me that JFK would receive the info visually by watching the live stream, verbalized the info into the lapel mic and Postle would receive it visually. Too complicated a process when he could just share the screen data.
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Old 01-12-2020, 09:56 PM   #10188
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If you look at his first post, from a few days ago, he has been playing online for the last 4 months.
More likely that was a decoy.

"I know it's a brand new account that is very passionate about defending Mike so it'll be obvious that it's me unless I first post just once about something else to appear instead to just be another random guy"
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Old 01-12-2020, 10:29 PM   #10189
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I have submitted 3 bot reports over the past 4 months. ACR/WPN "security team" is a joke. They tell you nothing about the process. Meawhile accounts that i have recorded, written down, track how much money I personally lost continue to play for up to four days straight.

WPN is a joke. Then during their big Venom tournament they have a little video stroke-fest session with asshats like Justin Kelly and Michael Loncar reciting what they want to say. Poor Norm McDonald even played into the **** show, but the best part is when they try to dispel the bot question by talking about "two rooms". One room for bots and another called security team. They go on to claim that their bot intrusion is so low that it doesn't register in comparison to sites like Ignition, but I think it is so off the scale and thats why they don't appear on any ratings site.

Bill Nagy is a chode gargling **** toilet who is pocketing all this money that bots that WPN either ignores or is actually running to generate revenue. Then they bring in poker nobodys, build them up on their stream, and push them back out to promote how safe and secure ACR is.

If ACR really wants to step up its gaming persona they better step on the pedal and get me and the rest of us who have been impacted by these bots whether they are coming from the Eastern block of Europe/Asia or whereever. Otherwise I give two shits about their promos, monster tournaments, etc. They are just another scam site that has lured in people I know personally to represent their brand. To those people I mentioned earlier, your friends and/or people close to you have lost on average $1000 playing on ACR in the last 4 months. Maybe take Nagy's cock out of your mouth and ask some hard questions to him about what they are REALLY doing to make the REAL players whole again and protect us moving forward.

We all know though that Nagy is never going to read this or address it. He will just continue to sit on his golden toilet wiping his ass with dollar bills either indirectly/direct stole from us.
This is the only other post from Paydat ... in a thread on ACR.
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Old 01-12-2020, 10:35 PM   #10190
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I haven't seen the website you're referring to, but it sounds like Mike has retained the help of a "reputation management" service. If he can get that website (and other favorable ones) to rank high in Google, it will bump the dirty results further down the list.

Haseeb Quereshi did a marvelous job of this. His Google footprint is now squeaky clean. I recall that he was also e-mailing news sites and politely requesting that they delete articles mentioning him and the Girah scandal.
Where's the original Haseeb thread with that scandal? Haseeb making a name for himself in crypto now.
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Old 01-12-2020, 10:48 PM   #10191
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Who said anything about someone keying in the cards? That’s not what people think the insider’s role was.
What do people feel the insider's role was?

I was under the impression many felt someone was actively involved with relaying information to Mike.
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Old 01-12-2020, 11:02 PM   #10192
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I was recently the recipient of three class-action lawsuits.

I received:

1. $6
2. $8
3. $84

I am also eligible for another class-action suit that has something to do with some of my data that was leaked somehow, somewhere or whatever, but I declined to even bother with it if the above three settlements are any indication of the payouts.

The $84 payout was a multi-million dollar lawsuit. (Actually they all were, but there were a lot fewer participants in the last one.)

In all cases the lawyers got rich.
On the other hand, the people who did wrong didn't get to keep it.

The system stinks, but as it is and all else being equal I'd rather the lawyers have the money.
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Old 01-12-2020, 11:27 PM   #10193
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What do people feel the insider's role was?

I was under the impression many felt someone was actively involved with relaying information to Mike.
I don't know much about it specifically, but have some software background, and something like that should be easy to do automatically. It seems unlikely anyone was involved in relaying to him everyone's cards.
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Old 01-13-2020, 12:53 AM   #10194
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You know Veronica, for the record I am a proof person. I will believe in Aliens before I believe in God/Heaven. Faith is a farce, DATA or proof or theoretical proof of something just makes more sense to me.

So your basis on this is a leap of faith. Your hope is that data behind it backs up the faith, but if you took the time to watch.....10 of the streams where he is accused of cheating. Compared all the addons, or where chip stacks magically appear in between hands, then you might see that the DATA is skewed in favor of supporting the theory of cheating.

You are an intelligent woman. Do the math. Quit the hating and let the lawyers get you whatever you are gonna get. Hatesplaining on MP though is below you and that's all I have heard from you over the past 4 months.

So whether he did cheat or not the odds are we will never know. My take is if there is a conspiracy they covered their tracks. However, if by some wierd turn they come out and state he didn't. Show actual buyins, addons, rebuys, etc and final chip counts for statistical data. Would you retract your hate for a guy that does nothing but play poker? My gut says no.

MP isn't talking because typically when you get sued by someone the attorney usually tells you to STFU. In addition "normally" when the prosecution files a case, ESPECIALLY a class action it behooves the participants to also STFU. So you do you boo, but you have put so much "hate" out there towards MP especially that IF i were a defense attorney I'd definitely be telling a story around your TRUE motivation.

After all this time I am surprise no one has sat down and watched Harlan's games from the year prior. Again do the math, from a GOD perspective he ran for a solid 6 months just like MP.
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Old 01-13-2020, 07:13 AM   #10195
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Paydat's only other post was attacking ACR for bots. Seems strange, and seems like Mike or someone working with Mike and Justin.
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Old 01-13-2020, 10:05 AM   #10196
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On the other hand, the people who did wrong didn't get to keep it.

The system stinks, but as it is and all else being equal I'd rather the lawyers have the money.
Easily worst take ever made on this forum.
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Old 01-13-2020, 10:29 AM   #10197
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Paydat's only other post was attacking ACR for bots. Seems strange, and seems like Mike or someone working with Mike and Justin.
I'm mostly interested in the psychology of all of this. How a person can rationalize cheating and shooting angles. As well as the difficulty many people have in accepting what appears to be so obvious.

At one time I was also curious as to why casinos, game runners, affiliates, and dealers are not interested in having open discussions about cheating. I've convinced myself that it is because they think it is bad for business. The only alternative i can come up with is that they are all shady and are willing to take advantage of customers whenever they can. Just don't want to go there.

But, back to your point. His initial post can explain some of his psychology. A person who thinks he has been cheated, or that cheating is widespread, could be more likely to use cheating as a way to survive in what they think is an unfair system.

His post to Veronica fits with this psychology as well. Talking about faith and God is interesting. If you set aside the God part, and just focus on faith, it is possible that he is attacking her based on her perceived (and ours as well) naivety and faith that the game is fair. Again, providing justification for his cheating.

To bring it back to God, for a second. A new Christian once said that he didn't need God to do good for people. He found that he needed God to not do bad things. Again, why some people like Mike are capable of making friends, being helpful, and possibly doing a lot of good for others at times in their lives and also be complete low lifes and hurt people deliberately at other times.

In Texas Mike and Justin would be strung up by now. Wait, nevermind. When Lawyer Tony did this to us in Austin we just cried to each other about it. At least y'all are knocking on his door with a stack of paper in hand.
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Old 01-13-2020, 10:34 AM   #10198
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What do people feel the insider's role was?

I was under the impression many felt someone was actively involved with relaying information to Mike.
The insider was thought to have set up the stream from the poker graphics software (Poker GFX) that reads and displays the cards from their RFID devices so that Mike could see it on his phone. The software is set up to easily do that, as Matt Berkey demonstrates below. As Matt mentions, the stream was supposedly known to be set up as a couple high-level people at Stones were able to view the live stream of the graphics, so the insider would just need to get the URL for the stream to Mike.



Further evidence of this is when we see Mike repeatedly re-scanning his cards and re-checking his phone when he's playing Omaha but the software is only relaying two cards because it's still set for Hold'em hands:



After they banned phones and he's listening through bone-conducting headphones in his hat, they still don't need an insider telling him the cards. The insider would still set up the stream, and one of Mike's friends (a non-employee, such as his brother) could be watching the stream on his phone somewhere, relaying what he sees to Mike through the headphones.

There still probably would have been times when the insider and Mike would need to communicate, like when there is a glitch or something, but it wouldn't be a constant communication on every hand.
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Old 01-13-2020, 11:01 AM   #10199
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This is the only other post from Paydat ... in a thread on ACR.
And? WTF does one do with the other? Do you play on ACR? No? Then why does it matter?
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I'm mostly interested in the psychology of all of this. How a person can rationalize cheating and shooting angles. As well as the difficulty many people have in accepting what appears to be so obvious.

At one time I was also curious as to why casinos, game runners, affiliates, and dealers are not interested in having open discussions about cheating. I've convinced myself that it is because they think it is bad for business. The only alternative i can come up with is that they are all shady and are willing to take advantage of customers whenever they can. Just don't want to go there.

But, back to your point. His initial post can explain some of his psychology. A person who thinks he has been cheated, or that cheating is widespread, could be more likely to use cheating as a way to survive in what they think is an unfair system.

His post to Veronica fits with this psychology as well. Talking about faith and God is interesting. If you set aside the God part, and just focus on faith, it is possible that he is attacking her based on her perceived (and ours as well) naivety and faith that the game is fair. Again, providing justification for his cheating.

To bring it back to God, for a second. A new Christian once said that he didn't need God to do good for people. He found that he needed God to not do bad things. Again, why some people like Mike are capable of making friends, being helpful, and possibly doing a lot of good for others at times in their lives and also be complete low lifes and hurt people deliberately at other times.

In Texas Mike and Justin would be strung up by now. Wait, nevermind. When Lawyer Tony did this to us in Austin we just cried to each other about it. At least y'all are knocking on his door with a stack of paper in hand.
Well said CactusJack.
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