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02-15-2022 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by iwasbanned
Absolutely. The dozens of people milling around waiting to play poker, they have no where to sit while waiting, so they go seat at an empty slot machine, and then one thing leads to another.

Before they fleece people at the poker tables, they shake em down at the slot machines.

The Encore is making money coming and going.

But Poker is slowly dying at the Encore, There's only forty something names on the 1/3 waitlist right now.
Likely to be a LONG death if they still have a 40 person waitlist on a Tuesday midday. Of course now it is up over 50 for 1/3 and 25 for 2/5... LONG DEATH watch coming I suspect. Though if they don't do something different, I do agree they will eventually kill poker there.
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02-15-2022 , 05:11 PM
“Wynn Resorts to sell the land and real estate assets of EBH to Realty Income for $1.7bn in cash”

Hearing whispers it could have been $2.7bn if they had weekend poker…
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02-15-2022 , 06:07 PM
Trip Report from today. I said I wasn't going to go back, but had a friend in town and the day off, and they wanted to go.

Put my name on the 1/3 list on Poker Atlas at 11:45 as I could not arrive until 12:30 (I live 4-5 miles away). Was 40th on the list with 26 checked in.

Arrived at 12:35, was 26th on the list. NOTE: north elevator does not go to the mezzanine right now so that everyone goes through the same entrances on the first floor.

Got seated at 1:40 (1h55m). When I was seated the list was 47 deep. NOTE: got chips at the upstairs poker cage.

Picked up at 4:00 due to other commitments. List was 57 with ~43 checked in (4 hours left to play). NOTE: cash outs are downstairs at the main cage.

Drink service was sparse, but adequate. The game I was in was loose with a few OMCs but several action players.

If the demand is like this, nothing will change. (And I say that realizing I was there paying the rake today.)
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02-15-2022 , 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by The Mind Reader

prelude to selling the place IMO
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02-15-2022 , 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by h0trod
prelude to selling the place IMO

Yep not having a lot of debt in the property will make it easier for them to walk away.
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02-15-2022 , 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by h0trod
prelude to selling the place IMO
Disagree. This is the same thing MGM did with Bellagio, Aria, and many of its high-end properties. It's a leaseback deal to generate $.
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02-16-2022 , 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by The Mind Reader
Straight from the horse's mouth (Wynn Earnings Call):

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First, let's touch on the sale-leaseback of our real estate at Encore Boston Harbor that we announced today.

We discussed the sale of real estate on past earnings calls, and we've always maintained that we believe our valuation over any reasonable period of time reflects the value of our real estate. We believe that to be the case today. So why execute a sale-leaseback? A sale-leaseback is, after all, nothing more than a financing and capital structure decision. In our case, this transaction benefits our capital structure in a few different ways.

First and foremost, it provides long-term capital to grow our business. In this case, capital to deploy adjacent to Encore Boston Harbor in the construction of additional parking and complementary non-gaming amenities that will drive Encore Boston Harbor to even higher levels of performance and capital to deploy an attractive greenfield project like our development in the UAE, which I will discuss in a moment. Second, it enables us to potentially retire near-term debt with a higher cost of capital than the lease. I would note here that this sale-leaseback transaction was executed at 17x rent or a 5.9% cap rate, a record for regional gaming assets by some two turns, and an attractive long-term cost of capital.

Third, it brings a new partner into our capital structure. Sumit and the team at Realty Income have been great partners in executing this transaction. And I would note that there are a number of highly bespoke terms in the lease that reflect our longer-term goals. These terms were only achievable due to the unique way that Realty Income is structured and their willingness to engage and align this transaction with our goals.

Overall, this transaction gives us a lot of additional financial flexibility. The transaction will close near the end of the year.
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Turning to Boston.

Like Vegas, Encore had an unbelievable quarter in both gaming volumes and RevPAR, resulting in $68 million of EBITDA in Q4. The team in Boston has really done a tremendous job, particularly in the casino, but we're just getting started. Our next phase of growth in Boston will be driven by database growth, particularly growth outside of adjacent areas and through our upcoming expansion project across the street from the property. That expansion will see us add additional amenities and importantly, additional parking.

Parking, particularly on weekends, remains a constraint for us. Though Encore is now run rating higher EBITDA than a number of strip properties, Encore still has a tremendous amount of growth ahead of it.
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02-16-2022 , 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by h0trod
prelude to selling the place IMO
I don't think so. It was a sale and lease back to generate cash. Hope the Wynn lawyers read the documents carefully and aren't waiting for any future payments. Anytime a corporate mission statement has the word "magic" in it, you need to hold on to your wallet.
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02-16-2022 , 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ungarop
Trip Report from today. I said I wasn't going to go back, but had a friend in town and the day off, and they wanted to go.

Put my name on the 1/3 list on Poker Atlas at 11:45 as I could not arrive until 12:30 (I live 4-5 miles away). Was 40th on the list with 26 checked in.

Arrived at 12:35, was 26th on the list. NOTE: north elevator does not go to the mezzanine right now so that everyone goes through the same entrances on the first floor.

Got seated at 1:40 (1h55m). When I was seated the list was 47 deep. NOTE: got chips at the upstairs poker cage.

Picked up at 4:00 due to other commitments. List was 57 with ~43 checked in (4 hours left to play). NOTE: cash outs are downstairs at the main cage.

Drink service was sparse, but adequate. The game I was in was loose with a few OMCs but several action players.

If the demand is like this, nothing will change. (And I say that realizing I was there paying the rake today.)
How many players are signing on 2 or 3 games hoping to get a seat faster?
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02-16-2022 , 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by cadillacgreels
“Wynn Resorts to sell the land and real estate assets of EBH to Realty Income for $1.7bn in cash”
Wynn lost about a Billion dollars on this deal.

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Originally Posted by The Mind Reader
So what does this all mean?
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Originally Posted by h0trod
prelude to selling the place IMO
Absolutely!

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Originally Posted by jh12547
Yep not having a lot of debt in the property will make it easier for them to walk away.
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Originally Posted by brassbonanza
Disagree.
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Originally Posted by venice10
I don't think so.
Prediction: The name Encore will not be on this building in 2024.
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02-16-2022 , 09:39 AM
They want their brand to be a destination. Vegas and Macau are destinations. Eventually their casino in UAE will be a destination. Boston is not like the others

Last edited by jh12547; 02-16-2022 at 09:44 AM.
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02-16-2022 , 12:09 PM
I'm trying to envision these "additional amenities" they spoke of, given the realities of the climate, the land that's available, and the surrounding road infrastructure, and I'm kinda coming up blank in terms of something impactful. Then again, what do I know I suppose.
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02-16-2022 , 01:31 PM
Encore Poker still dead
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02-16-2022 , 01:57 PM
$1/3 NLH 7 60
$2/5 NLH 2 46
$5/10 NLH 1 18
$2/2 PLO 2 10
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02-16-2022 , 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Monty146
How many players are signing on 2 or 3 games hoping to get a seat faster?
There's definitely some of that, but there are only 2 2/5 games and 1 2/2 PLO game going at any time and those lists are yuuuge too. So 1/3 is probably turning players fastest with 8 tables running.

(Today is the first day on PokerAtlas where I've seen only 7 1/3s and 2 2/2 PLOs)
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02-21-2022 , 03:56 PM
92 people on the 1/3 list right now
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02-22-2022 , 12:49 AM
Why even get on the list? If they give each person 3 min to claim a seat, even if everyone ahead of you had went home, it would be almost 600 min, or 10 hr until they called you. And the room isn’t open 10 hr
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02-22-2022 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Fore
Why even get on the list? If they give each person 3 min to claim a seat, even if everyone ahead of you had went home, it would be almost 600 min, or 10 hr until they called you. And the room isn’t open 10 hr
No clue. Absolutely bizarre, but I thought it was hilarious.
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03-01-2022 , 02:06 PM
71 people waiting for a seat at the six 1/3 tables. What a joke.
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03-01-2022 , 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Viper007
71 people waiting for a seat at the six 1/3 tables. What a joke.

I’m shocked 1/3 is getting this much action; guess I totally underestimated the general population’s understanding of rake
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03-01-2022 , 03:37 PM
i told you people could care less about the rake only people that take poker seriously have any inkling about how rake effects the long term of a game
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03-01-2022 , 03:42 PM
The thing that doesn't make sense is getting on a list of 71 people and expecting to be called before the room closes. What's the point? Just go home or to NH.
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03-01-2022 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Big Whoop
The thing that doesn't make sense is getting on a list of 71 people and expecting to be called before the room closes. What's the point? Just go home or to NH.
again i dont think people even think about that lol. they just say im here time to sign up. if i get called cool. if not the slots are funnnn
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03-01-2022 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by BigEyedFish
I’m shocked 1/3 is getting this much action; guess I totally underestimated the general population’s understanding of rake
Totally agree, but one argument is that the action makes up for it (if you compare daytime FW/MS to daytime EBH). FW and MS are full of OMCs where Encore is much looser. Of course, the rake negates some of that.
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